Area's where muslims migrate to then usually most non-muslims tend to move and flight

[superkaur 509]

I've been noticing this trend of so called "white flight" where the white people fled area's in the west where non-white communities had migrated into. However this is usually seen in the lense of the whites being racist and they only wanting to be with their own race of people. I however disagree I dont think its a mostly racist migration of whites to "white area's" I would say its a flight from area's that become more economically poor or culturally they cant relate to.

So the area where I lived in the UK changed from being a quite mixed white, hindu, sikh, muslim, black area to one where the muslims had taken over demographically by sheer numbers either through immigration from other counties, conversions or large birth rate population over the years. And I noticed the whites, hindus and Sikhs gradually move out of these area's rather than stay and "fight" for their home towns/streets. The economically well off non-muslims fled to better off area's where there was more affluence and where they was more people like them living there. And where once hard working friendly hindu's sikhs whites dominating these high street shops and areas where I lived now I only seen halal food outlets, women in burka's and muslims and black and mixed race council estate hooded face covered chav's bringing a dark threatening environment.

And as the muslims moved in those economically deprived but reasonable socially cohesive area's then that area went further downhill fast into higher crime and less friendly and safe environment on the streets.

Similarly this is true of other area's in the world where muslims migrate to non-muslim lands and area's at the determent of that area/nation and slow fleeing of that non-muslim population to other area's. But I am wondering where will they flee to when Islam eventually creepingly like a long dark evil shadow takes over populations and area's. In my view there will come a time where there is no area or land available for non-muslims to flee to they will have to either submit to islam or give a fight response if they are to retain their unique religious or cultural identity or practices.

 

[Dsinghd 272]

I'm from Birmingham UK where there are plenty of Muslims. One area Cape Hill had lots of White British people and now they have deserted the area. Now there are Burqa wearing women and men in Salwar Kameez. The area Handsworth had once a lot of Sikhs, but they have moved to posher areas.

[superkaur 509]

15 minutes ago, Dsinghdp said:

I'm from Birmingham UK where there are plenty of Muslims. One area Cape Hill had lots of White British people and now they have deserted the area. Now there are Burqa wearing women and men in Salwar Kameez. The area Handsworth had once a lot of Sikhs, but they have moved to posher areas.

Yes I heard about handsworth too, my cousin was telling me how it used to be dominated by apnay and other punjabi's and now its increasingly has more muslims and roma gypsies and other economically poor eastern european's.

Same thing happened to southall only 20 years ago it was well established punjabi sikh and hindu area but there was signs islam is creeping in with pakistani's moving in taking over the restaurants and Somalian refugee's being put up in tax payer funded flats and moved there permanently. And now when you go to southall instead of it being mini punjab or mini india its slowly looking like mini pakistan or mini saudi arabia.

Slough has the highest Sikh population in the UK but even there I suspect there are dark times ahead unless Sikhs start to think collectively and more right wing and self preservation. Wherever islam takes over demographically then people realise that your siblings and your offspring will be in danger of being groomed for sexual exploitation by muslims, grooming for conversion to islam or bullying/harrasment/discrimination. Hence why they flee those area's understandably.

[Dsinghd 272]

Muslims live in small houses with like 10 of them. On my road they brought 4 houses for the same family.

[Guest Jacfsing2]

Christians have a right to protect their population from Muslims, as do Sikhs have a right to protect their population as well. I don't really think it's racist for Christians to be allowed with their own people in the same way other religious groups should.

[Big_Tera 1,156]

47 minutes ago, superkaur said:

I've been noticing this trend of so called "white flight" where the white people fled area's in the west where non-white communities had migrated into. However this is usually seen in the lense of the whites being racist and they only wanting to be with their own race of people. I however disagree I dont think its a mostly racist migration of whites to "white area's" I would say its a flight from area's that become more economically poor or culturally they cant relate to.

So the area where I lived in the UK changed from being a quite mixed white, hindu, sikh, muslim, black area to one where the muslims had taken over demographically by sheer numbers either through immigration from other counties, conversions or large birth rate population over the years. And I noticed the whites, hindus and Sikhs gradually move out of these area's rather than stay and "fight" for their home towns/streets. The economically well off non-muslims fled to better off area's where there was more affluence and where they was more people like them living there. And where once hard working friendly hindu's sikhs whites dominating these high street shops and areas where I lived now I only seen halal food outlets, women in burka's and muslims and black and mixed race council estate hooded face covered chav's bringing a dark threatening environment.

And as the muslims moved in those economically deprived but reasonable socially cohesive area's then that area went further downhill fast into higher crime and less friendly and safe environment on the streets.

Similarly this is true of other area's in the world where muslims migrate to non-muslim lands and area's at the determent of that area/nation and slow fleeing of that non-muslim population to other area's. But I am wondering where will they flee to when Islam eventually creepingly like a long dark evil shadow takes over populations and area's. In my view there will come a time where there is no area or land available for non-muslims to flee to they will have to either submit to islam or give a fight response if they are to retain their unique religious or cultural identity or practices.

It should not really really matter that areas become 'overun with muslims'. in fact its best to leave these areas.  let the muslims be with their own kind. Muslims will alway be hostile to non muslims and vice versa. 

Think about the amount of grooming cases that would happen if Sikhs and hindus stayed in predominately muslim areas. It would increase tenfold. Its best Sikhs stay away from gehtto muslim areas. Do muslims like to live in Sikh dominated areas? no they want to be with their own kind. so let them. This is the fact of modern britian, america, canada and india. just about anywhere. people want to live with their own kind. 

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[superkaur 509]

1 minute ago, Big_Tera said:

It should not really really matter that areas become 'overun with muslims'. INfact its best to espace these areas.  let the muslims be with their own kind. 

Think about the amount of grooming cases that would happen if Sikhs and hindus stayed in predominately muslim areas. It would increase tenfold. Its best Sikhs stay away from gehtto muslim areas. Do muslims like to live in Sikh dominated areas? no they want to be with their own kind. so let them. This is the fact of modern britian, america, canada and india. just about anywhere. people want to live with their own kind. 

 

Its not that we do not want them to live in their own muslim area's thats exactly what we want them to do, to live amoungst themselves and away from us non-muslims. The problem is that they come into our Sikh or other non-muslim area's slowly one by one in order to eventually take it over. So yes they do live to live in Sikh dominated area's not because they love to live with us but to take advantage of our safer hard working community neighborhoods with a view to eventually overrun it. So wherever you flee to, eventually the islamic question the islamic problem will come to your doorstep even if it isnt there yet eventually within 10-20years your area too will be overrun by muslims unless its somewhere out in the countryside or some sleepy far off town no one wants to live in except the elderly or rich.

The amount of muslim migrants and refugee's that the west allows in is disgusting. All muslim immigration should have been stopped 30years ago because the demographics trend is that the poor countries around the world are mostly muslim dominated and so naturally they would want to migrate to richer non-muslim lands because islam is a failed economic ideology. They produce huge amounts of children and then feed of the state in the west contributing little or nothing for the nation.

 

[Hammertime007 512]

Our cities have turned into slums. The political elite are number one to blame. 

[S4NGH 756]

Why's it okay for white people to live in predominantly white areas or to migrate from racially diverse areas to predominantly white areas, but it's not okay for Muslims to live in predominantly Muslim areas? There's a lot, lot more to it. When our people first came to this country, they did the same. Take a look at Southall Birmingham Coventry. Safety in numbers. A sense of community which we all know plays a huge role in Islam. A better environment (in their case an Islamic environment) to raise your children in. Mosque prayer congregation.  Etc etc

I think you've a lot left to examine before coming to any sort of conclusion on white flight and muslim migration. It might be an idea to leave aside your racial biases for a start. Very interesting topic though... 

"And where once hard working friendly hindu's sikhs whites dominating these high street shops and areas where I lived now I only seen halal food outlets, women in burka's and muslims and black and mixed race council estate hooded face covered chav's bringing a dark threatening environment."

Utterly hilarious btw! ^

[KhoonKaBadlaKhoon 779]

Don't be a fool. We all know the problems that come along with a heavily Muslim populated area. You don't see nearly as much negativity towards Sikh areas or Hindu areas. 

[proactive 2,068]

8 hours ago, S4NGH said:

Why's it okay for white people to live in predominantly white areas or to migrate from racially diverse areas to predominantly white areas, but it's not okay for Muslims to live in predominantly Muslim areas? There's a lot, lot more to it. When our people first came to this country, they did the same. Take a look at Southall Birmingham Coventry. Safety in numbers. A sense of community which we all know plays a huge role in Islam. A better environment (in their case an Islamic environment) to raise your children in. Mosque prayer congregation.  Etc etc

I think you've a lot left to examine before coming to any sort of conclusion on white flight and muslim migration. It might be an idea to leave aside your racial biases for a start. Very interesting topic though... 

"And where once hard working friendly hindu's sikhs whites dominating these high street shops and areas where I lived now I only seen halal food outlets, women in burka's and muslims and black and mixed race council estate hooded face covered chav's bringing a dark threatening environment."

Utterly hilarious btw! ^

The difference is that in Sikh and Hindu dominated areas the whites would never have felt physically threatened as they do in Muslim dominated areas today. There was none of the hostility towards whites in Sikh/Hindu areas as there are in Muslim areas now. Although Sikhs and Hindus would have felt a sense of belonging to their areas there was never a sense that these areas were now exclusively theirs. This is the case with Muslim areas now. There is a lot of talk about 'no go areas' for the police and I doubt any of these areas are Sikh or Hindu. Again these areas will be Muslim areas. 

[Ranjeet01 2,633]

There is nothing that deteriorates more than an area that becomes a muslim dominated one.

It sucks out the vibrancy out of an area. 

For starters, the diversity of shops gets sucked out of the area. You are stuck with halal fried chicken shop , halal butchers, Islamic book shop and a hijab fabric shop. You lose all the other type of facilities. This puts off people coming into thsee areas (even muslims ).

At least in Sikh/Hindu areas you get a much more variety of shopping and it actually attracts goreh to come.

Southall even though traditionally Sikh area is quite international because you get overseas visitors buying clothing or visiting jewelry shops, dining in the restaurants, visiting Havelock gurdwara.

The fried chicken shops are open late at night and they tend to attract all sorts of weirdos. 

It creates more hygiene problems because the increase in these fast food joints (muslims seem to be very keen on this type of business) means more litter and rubbish which means rat infestation. Muslim owned restaurants seem to have the most Health and Safety issues in terms of hygiene. How many times can one hear of cockroach infestations or rat droppings in these places. 

These areas tend to attract a lot of drug dealers and brings all sorts of other stuff such as pimping/prostitution,  particular since the mini cabbing brigade has a big part to play in this.

The parking gets far worse in these areas (even compared to hindu/sikh areas) because muslims have a bigger chip on their shoulders and think they can get away with more. This happens particularly when there is a mosque close by.

The area becomes overcrowded and more slum like.

One of the things muslims tend to do when venturing into new territories is to open up a halal based establishment in a non muslim area. This is done deliberately to try to attract muslims into an area. It's like planting a flag.

Property prices drop very quickly and more move in very quickly. 

 

 

 

[Qwe123 2]

On 19/09/2017 at 2:58 PM, superkaur said:

 

And as the muslims moved in those economically deprived but reasonable socially cohesive area's then that area went further downhill fast into higher crime and less friendly and safe environment on the streets.

Sikhs do crime too. Check out the number of Sikhs in Birmingham's major prison, then compare it to the number of Pakistanis and Bangladeshis in there. Then compare those stats to those group's share of Birmingham's population as a whole. You may be in for a shock..

https://www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/hmiprisons/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2017/06/Birmingham-Web-2017.pdf

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_Birmingham

 

[BhForce 1,194]

44 minutes ago, Qwe123 said:

Sikhs do crime too. Check out the number of Sikhs in Birmingham's major prison, then compare it to the number of Pakistanis and Bangladeshis in there. Then compare those stats to those group's share of Birmingham's population as a whole. You may be in for a shock..

https://www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/hmiprisons/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2017/06/Birmingham-Web-2017.pdf

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_Birmingham

Instead of just posting some links and expecting hundreds of different readers of your post to click through and trawl for the data, why not just post it in the first place? Anyway:

% of Muslim prisoners: 16.7% (154 prisoners)

% of Muslim in B'ham: 21.85%

% of Sikh prisoners: 3.3% (30 prisoners)

% of Sikh in B'ham: 3.02%

[proactive 2,068]

6 hours ago, Qwe123 said:

Sikhs do crime too. Check out the number of Sikhs in Birmingham's major prison, then compare it to the number of Pakistanis and Bangladeshis in there. Then compare those stats to those group's share of Birmingham's population as a whole. You may be in for a shock..

https://www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/hmiprisons/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2017/06/Birmingham-Web-2017.pdf

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_Birmingham

 

Nobody said that Sikhs don't commit crimes. But nice try at trying to use the figures for one prison   to represent it as a norm. If you look at the national prison figure they tell a different story.

On 30 June 2004  there were 6571 Muslims in prison out of a total prison population of  74.488 so Muslims were 8.9% of the prison population whereas Muslims were only  3% of the total population. On  30 June 2014 the respective numbers were 12,106 Muslims out of 85,509 total prisoners making Muslims 14.2% while being only 4.8% of the UK population. For Sikhs the numbers were 498 in prison in 2004 being 0.68% of prisoners while being 0.6% of the UK population. In 2014 the figures were 732 Sikhs making 0.85% of all prisoners while Sikhs were 0.8% of the UK population. So Sikh prisoners are roughly the same percentage as the Sikh population as a whole. HOWEVER Muslims are three times their number in prison as in the total population. 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31794599