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5 minutes ago, TheeTurbanator said:
6 hours ago, monatosingh said:

You chill, SGPC.

SGPC is doing a great job preserving the Abrahamic Framework of Sikhism, I love those guys! 

 SGPC ZINDABAAAAAAAAAAD! 

Go ahead and share with us how exactly you live in pre-SGPC, pre-British rehit.

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Stop lying, it was called “Sikhism” by the Guru, that’s what Wikipedia says, so it must be true. Stop trying to change our glorious colonial history you Sanatanist Sikh.  SIKHISM is the best RELI

I actually support SIKHISM RELIGION and I think we should water down the Sikh Dharam even more until we just accept Sant Baba Jesus Singh Christ and completely adopt the Abrahamic Framework. 

SGPC is doing a great job preserving the Abrahamic Framework of Sikhism, I love those guys!   SGPC ZINDABAAAAAAAAAAD! 

17 hours ago, TheeTurbanator said:

Stop lying, it was called “Sikhism” by the Guru, that’s what Wikipedia says, so it must be true. Stop trying to change our glorious colonial history you Sanatanist Sikh. 

SIKHISM is the best RELIGION 

Uh @BhForce , I think TheeTurbanator is using this British technique known as sarcasm.

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2 minutes ago, MahadrasSingh said:
17 hours ago, TheeTurbanator said:

Stop lying, it was called “Sikhism” by the Guru, that’s what Wikipedia says, so it must be true. Stop trying to change our glorious colonial history you Sanatanist Sikh. 

SIKHISM is the best RELIGION 

Uh @BhForce , I think TheeTurbanator is using this British technique known as sarcasm.

Bro, if it were something like Mr. Doaba being funny, it would be a different thing. He usually posts "just kidding", "joke"  or whatever in the following post.

@TheeTurbanator could have done the same. 

Except that when I challenged him, he chose to blatantly lie that he has a 3ft kirpan on him while he's reading this website.

There is simply nothing in my original response to the OP which could have warranted an oblique attack on me by TheeTurbanator such as quoted by you above.

Let me explain further: I realize and accept sarcasm as a technique. But it only properly applies to people holding a view that could plausibly be refuted by the sarcasm you're posting. For example, I (and most of the posters on this board) are not Islamophiles. If TheeTurbanator had sarcastically taken a swipe at my supposed Islam-hatred, that would be possibly warranted. 

However, in no sense am I a promoter of post-British changes to our faith or practices. Therefore, TheeTurbanator can expect a strong response (muh-toR jawab), which he got. And which he has no response to other than lying and blabbering.

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13 minutes ago, TheeTurbanator said:

Im also speaking using the British technique of English 

Yes, do indeed explain why on the one hand you pose as the protector of the Sikhs from the evil colonial British-created Sikhism while on the other hand using the invader's language.

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See, the problem with you @BhForce is that from the start you assume that just becuase I believe that we as Sikhs should use a lot of Dharmic terms, that I somehow follow the pre-colonial Khalsa Rehat, which are two completely different concepts. 

Gurbani/Sikh concepts are set in stone, but the Khalsa Rehat is supposed to evolve over time. You are confusing the two. 

When I state that as Sikhs we should try to preserve Sikh terms in languages (like English) that allow foreign terms, it's becuse of the fact that the way we use terms has an affect on our understanding of them. 

For example: "God" sounds very dualitic, and Abrahamic, it sound like a man in the sky who is separate from creation. However, "Universal; force" sounds much more mystical and inline with panentheism which states that the universal force is intertwined in creation, and isnt dualistic.

Should we as Sikhs not use the terms like ੴ which were coined by the Guru for a specific purpose? why do we need to replace Sikh terms with Anglican terms? Furthermore, why do we pick and choose when the english language already allows us to freely use foreign terms? 

When it comes to the term "Sikhism", it's obvious that it wasn't used by the Guru, ever, and that by itself is a strong enough argument as to why the overall label the Sikh ideology should be what the Guru called it. However, the main reason I advocate so strongly for using Sikhi over the bastardized colonial term "Sikhism", is becuase it mixes Sikhi with what is understood by the anglican consciousness understanding, and also robs us of a unique piece of identity that was historically used to identity Sikhi. You dont see Muslims water down Islam by calling it "Muhammadism", but rather them fighting to reclaim their terms in the 1980s.  

Im not making the argument that Sikhs just stop using english altogether, however that we should try to use as many major terms from the Sikh lexicon as we can if the language allows it in order to preserve the meaning and identity. 

If you wanna sit down and talk about this issue in depth, let me know and we can figure out a time to talk. 

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Just now, TheeTurbanator said:

If you wanna sit down and talk about this issue in depth, let me know and we can figure out a time to talk. 

When you first showed up on this board and posted a few good posts (meaning well though out, not necessarily that I agreed with them or not, though I did for many), I thought you had promise to have serious discussion.

This, however, is content-free nonsense:

34 minutes ago, TheeTurbanator said:

SGPC is doing a great job preserving the Abrahamic Framework of Sikhism, I love those guys! 

 SGPC ZINDABAAAAAAAAAAD! 

And this is a blatant lie:

1 hour ago, TheeTurbanator said:
2 hours ago, BhForce said:

Also, do you have a 3-ft kirpan on you, as the pre-British invasion Sikhs did?

Don't lie.

Yes I do  

So, if you want to just state that your desire to refute some views of mine (none of which were expressed in my original response to the OP) got the better of you, and you started attributing stuff to me which I didn't state here, and you also lied above, then we can have a discussion on various topics mentioned by you above.

(But not in this thread, a separate one, a week or so later.)

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5 minutes ago, BhForce said:

When you first showed up on this board and posted a few good posts (meaning well though out, not necessarily that I agreed with them or not, though I did for many), I thought you had promise to have serious discussion.

This, however, is content-free nonsense:

It's such an obvious joke. I give very clear and obvious indications when I am joking, compared to when im in serious mode, which I am 90% of the time. 

 

6 minutes ago, BhForce said:

And this is a blatant lie:

1 hour ago, TheeTurbanator said:

IT'S A JOKE, and a very obvious one. If you know my views, you will know that I have oftentimes criticised the SGPC. 

 

7 minutes ago, BhForce said:

So, if you want to just state that your desire to refute some views of mine (none of which were expressed in my original response to the OP) got the better of you

 

 

Your original post is literally inline with my views, it already affirms that the Guru called the Sikh ideology "Sikhi", "GurSikhi", among other terms, but none of them were the common "Sikhism" which we see today. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, TheeTurbanator said:

@BhForce

Gurbani/Sikh concepts are set in stone, but the Khalsa Rehat is supposed to evolve over time. You are confusing the two. 

 

Bro a little off point Khalsa rehit is atal because it was given by Guru ji , it us who need to live up to it , not change it . We are all supposed to do our best to be minimum amritvela de pakke , try to increase our memorisation of gubani and do vichar of it , study shastarvidya/self-defence, be prepared to give up this life in a heartbeat for the kaum ... else you are saying Guru ji is not perfect and didn't know what his Singhs needed going forward.

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Dhan dhan raam daas gur jin siri-aa tinai savaari-aa

Blessed, blessed is Guru Ram Das; the One who created You has also exalted You.

 

Pooree hoee karaamaat aap sirajanhaarai dhaari-aa

Perfect is Your miracle; the Creator has installed You on a throne.

 

SIKHEE atai sangatee paarbrahm kar namasakaari-aa

Sikhs as well as all Conscious people recognize You because you manifest the Creator.

 

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40 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

. We are all supposed to do our best to be minimum amritvela de pakke , try to increase our memorisation of gubani and do vichar of it , study shastarvidya/self-defence, be prepared to give up this life in a heartbeat for the kaum ...

All of this is already mentioned in Gurbani, my point still stands. 

 

40 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

else you are saying Guru ji is not perfect and didn't know what his Singhs needed going forward.

The Guru created the Khalsa Panth and also gave it Gurgaddhi. The Khalsa is designed to evolve over time, and there is a reason why Gurbani does not contain many very specific rules, becuase they would become outdated. Gurbani only contains that which is allways relevant, my point still stands. 

 

PS: Singhs and Kaurs, not just only Singhs. 

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1 hour ago, BhForce said:

 

Props to you for admitting that you like wearing chola, but aren't able to do it all the time. Better to admit to what you than pretend to be something you're not.

Better than 99 to 1 odds that he doesn't drink samundar in a sarb loh bata but rather Starbucks in a plastic/paper cup.

Me? I love wearing Chola and I keep it on all the time not at school though. I keep it with kamarkassar mainly.

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