Amritsar and Punjab: left out of the New Silk road

[DailyMail]

On 8/9/2018 at 10:11 AM, Guest jigsaw_puzzled_singh said:

That may well be true but........with one of the Moderators here deliberately not posting up to 50% of my messages here on a wide range of subjects it's pointless me or you attempting to have a conversation about it. Lets just pretend none of this really happened and there is no Belt and Road Initiative. Let's not try having a discussion on a discussion forum.

That's a shame

 

[Guest AjeetSinghPunjabi]

"Roos cheen hind pe chadh aave"

the setup for payback karma of 84 is under the way i guess lol 

PS : just look at recent news : doklam issue between china and india. Russia now increasingly preferring china and pakistan over india.

Karma is a b**ch . I have an ominous gut feeling that someday all these power dynamics is gonna end up in a big war

[Guest SSB]

1) It will be hard to be a part of the silk road given India's animosity towards China; 

2) India does not have a coherent economic plan to move its people out of poverty (GINI coefficient is increasing) and as such Punjab and its proximity to the Silk Road is not regarded or considered. 

3) India treats Punjab as a buffer state between Pakistan and the rest of India. As a result India will not facilitate programs to allow for further investment and economic diversification (i.e. tax holidays, grants, economic hubs etc. ). 

4) China will be the largest economy within the next few years, it will produce a state where all Asian roads lead to Beijing, economic traffic will be 2 ways investment in infrastructure will be constant. In Africa, China has invested heavily in roads, dams, storage facilities, transportation to provide facility and transfer of Africa's resource. In turn, Africa receives investment in infrastructure and has boosted investment in education and good govt. (stability is a requirement for good governance). Name a time when India has chosen to be stable. 

5) India in general and Punjab specifically does not invest in its own people due to the poor planning of the state and Punjab is not in a position to take immediate benefit of the Silk Road if it happens. 

6) Punjab should be asking for autonomy if separation cannot happen. This will allow Punjab to decide its own economic fate and not leave it in the hands of the Center - this is what the recent Farm Protests has shown us.

[Guest Gambler]

As if you can resolve all your political issues relating to Sikh, Amritsar or Punjab on a forum? Need to have a proper platform and communication, verbal reasoning and many more skills to do so.

[S1ngh]

2 hours ago, Guest Gambler said:

As if you can resolve all your political issues relating to Sikh, Amritsar or Punjab on a forum? Need to have a proper platform and communication, verbal reasoning and many more skills to do so.

Without land/country and proper funding, none of the above you mentioned is possible. 

[Guest Gambler]

34 minutes ago, S1ngh said:

Without land/country and proper funding, none of the above you mentioned is possible. 

I am in complete agreement with your statement above.  But look at the elites now, they achieved their homeland in diaspora. They unified  their lot and helped each other. And this, they’re still doing by helping only their own and no one else, when it comes to allocating funds. They’ve their own schools, policing, nursing homes for their elderly, day centres and so on. They even have their own ambulances and more. There are plenty rich Sikhs that can do the same for their own community everywhere around the world. Teach children about their own history, not only religious history but also political history, such as why they left their homeland and what happened during partition. How they lost their kingdom and religious shrines and almost all their lands at the time of independence. There is no need to learn our history in parrot fashion, but in a very analytical manner. Sikhs must read their history as critiques and not as victims of it or sufferers. They have to  ask themselves if what happened to them was right, and if it wasn’t then what sort of lessons can be learned. 

[Guest SSB]

On 7/31/2018 at 2:21 AM, Guest jigsaw_puzzled_singh said:

Amritsar, as you all know, was once a major city of the old Silk Road. A major international centre of industry and trade. But that's history.

Now lets look to the future: The Chinese are, as we speak, investing over a Trillion $ in what is the world's biggest ever infrastructure project that will deliver a power boost to trade and economic growth:  the New Silk Road (the belt and road initiative). All the other major cities of the old silk road are included. There's only one missing........Amritsar.  There's only one regional country refusing to get involved........India.  Didn't expect a common sense approach from India anyway but there are 3 things that worry me :

1) Why did Amritsar not push itself forward ?

2) Why did Punjab not push itself forward ?

3) Why do none of the pseudo-intellectual 'Punjabis' even seem aware of what is happening ?

 

[Guest SSB]

The economic interests of India are not the same as Punjab. Punjab would be served by having access to corridor being built by China and Pakistan. Also for energy Punjab would be best served by seeing if they can have access to oil and gas pipelines  from Central Asia . This will not happen when India’s foreign policy is in conflict with China. How long this situation can hold is anybody’s guess.

[Guest China Virus]

23 hours ago, Guest SSB said:

Punjab would be served by having access to corridor being built by China and Pakistan. 

Hardly as CPEC solely benefits China and the pedophile worshippers are so impotent they dare not squeak in front of their Chinese overlords in case the Chinese Communist Party dragon burns them to death!

https://www.orfonline.org/research/is-china-replicating-its-xinjiang-model-in-bri-countries/

Already kirpans are often manufactured in China (instead of poor Sikligars throughout India who our community could support instead) so joining CPEC would result in the decimation of whatever minimal industry is left in east Punjab that clowns like Pannun haven't scared away.

23 hours ago, Guest SSB said:

Also for energy Punjab would be best served by seeing if they can have access to oil and gas pipelines  from Central Asia. 

Oil does not come in large quantity from central Asia but in any case there is already joint co-operation between Afghanistan, Pakistan and India on the TAPI pipeline as the central Asian countries want to increase their exports of natural gas to India via the proposed pipeline.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkmenistan–Afghanistan–Pakistan–India_Pipeline

23 hours ago, Guest SSB said:

This will not happen when India’s foreign policy is in conflict with China.

That will probably continue for the foreseeable future as by the year 2050 it is projected China will have a $58 trillion economy with India their closest competitor with an economy by 2050 of around $44 trillion (with the USA only coming in third at $34trillion), the Chinese Communist Party have realised that India is their bigger long term competitor. Especially as the population of China is projected to fall to 1.35 billion whilst India as the significantly poorer country likely to see it's population rise to 1.7billion (up from 1.4billion currently).

https://www.pwc.com/gx/en/research-insights/economy/the-world-in-2050.html

If Sikhs in the Diaspora start to invest in east Punjab in a meaningful way then it is possible that the economy of east Punjab can reach $1trillion in size by 2050

[BhForce]

On 7/31/2018 at 2:21 AM, Guest jigsaw_puzzled_singh said:

All the other major cities of the old silk road are included. There's only one missing........Amritsar.  There's only one regional country refusing to get involved........India.

Part of the problem is the hostilities between India and Pakistan. If the border were open, Amritsar would easily become a huge trading city.

Secondly, the National Highways Authority of India is constructing a new 6-lane expressway from Kashmir, through Amritsar/Jalandhar/Ludhiana to Dehli which will be part of the Ludhiana-Delhi-Kolkatta Industrial Corridor. 

Maps of the New Silk Road show Kolkata as a key part of the "road". The Punjab to Kolkata expressway and rail connections will fulfill the ability to hook up to the New Silk Road. 

In addition, while crossing to Pakistan via AH1 (Asian Highway 1) is difficult, India does connect to AH1 on the other side, towards the East.

Finally, Punjab can trade with the world via Mundra port in Gujurat. Rail to Mundra, then sea onwards. Dubai is very close with a free port. If you send products to Iran, there are ground links onward to Europe.