Gurudwaras Of Pakistan: Systematic Destruction By Islamist Radical Pakistan

[Guest JS2019]

https://news-communique.com/index.php/2019/11/10/gurudwaras-of-pakistan-systematic-destruction-by-islamist-radical-pakistan/

[S1ngh 1,654]

Is this really important at this time when Pakistan did the best ever for sikhs on the 550th Gurpurab of Guru Nanak Dev Ji. We need to look at the time and place for some topics to be discussed. 

[Guest Anonymous]

You're assuming the person posting this did so today. It can take a few days for moderators to approve a new topic from a guest user. Nonetheless, its an important point to take note when praising Pakistan.

[FreshMind13 79]

The article is correct. There are extremists that have taken over gurdwaras. One example is Shaheed Ganj Bhai Taru Singh in Lahore, they give local Sikhs a hard time for doing keertan or paath at the small building.

Though, the other gurdwaras mentioned after the first half of the article are in that condition because of neglect, not because of "systematic destruction".

[Guest guest]

wow those old Gurdware are beautiful

they are not being 'systematically destroyed'.  they are just abandoned/ neglected.  they are now surrounded by people who are not involved in sikhism and too poor to attend to the buildings anyway.

theres alot of abandoned buildings in india too.  

pakistan government has an archeological dept.  maybe we could start an online petition requesting them to look after the buildings for their artistic merit.  

if those buildings were in India then well-meaning but misguided sikhs would have just demolished them and replaced them with homogenous looking marble gurdwaras anyway.  i'm glad they escaped.

[puzzled 1,562]

 

I dont think it is systematic destruction. The number of Sikhs in Pakistan is very very small percentage and most of them live in the same mohallas, these gurdware on the other hand are spread all over the country which shows you how far and wide sikh communities used to live before. They are slowly opening more and more gurdware but because of the small sikh population  they probably will not be able to take care of all these gurdware.

They have opened 2 more gurdware  recently   one was guru hargobind sahib jis gurdwara and another is guru nanak dev jis gurdwara, a few years back they reopened another gurdwara in the pashtun area in the mohalla joga singh area.

they reopened this beautiful gurdwara of guru hargobind sahib ji earlier this yr   heres the opening ceremony 

 

reopening of gurdwara in jhelum   such a beautiful gurdwara built in old haveli style   

 

 

[puzzled 1,562]

mata sahib kaur jis birth place  is right nxt to this gurdwara choha sahib  in rohtas fort    mata sahib kaur was from pakistan jehlum which i think is the mirpur region 

 

Edited November 14 by puzzled

[Guest Gupt]

I wonder what happened to sikhs living in Pakistan. Was it their idea to make Pakistan? We did not vouch for partition of punjab. We suffered because of radical islamist demands. This was systematic destruction by likes of jinnah and co who advocated idea that muslims and hindus cannot co-exist. To suggest otherwise is disingenuous. You can't ignore past context. Any making amends is appreciated but not without acknowledging the past. We were forced out of our proporties, raped and massacred by these same people parents and grandparents. None of it our fault. All to fulfil the power lust of one man and one community. Never Forget!

[S1ngh 1,654]

So, all fault is of Pakistan but not of Hindustan? 

[Ranjeet01 1,499]

How many Sikhs do live in Pakistan and where in Pakistan do they live? 

It would be a logistical problem for a miniscule number of Sikhs to maintain the gurdwarae if they are spread over a large area.

[puzzled 1,562]

7 hours ago, Guest Gupt said:

I wonder what happened to sikhs living in Pakistan. Was it their idea to make Pakistan? We did not vouch for partition of punjab. We suffered because of radical islamist demands. This was systematic destruction by likes of jinnah and co who advocated idea that muslims and hindus cannot co-exist. To suggest otherwise is disingenuous. You can't ignore past context. Any making amends is appreciated but not without acknowledging the past. We were forced out of our proporties, raped and massacred by these same people parents and grandparents. None of it our fault. All to fulfil the power lust of one man and one community. Never Forget!

tbh some hindus used to treat muslims bad, in places like lahore if a muslim asked for water some hindus used to give muslims water through a pip and not directly pour it from the pot/container     if muslims entered their kitchens they used to clean them and purify them etc     

interestingly some Sikhs and muslims had really close relationships, iv seen many videos of old sikhs and muslims describing what it was like b4 partition. Some Sikh ladies even used to tie rakhrees onto their muslims neighbors.   My nani used to go to a maulvi to learn urdu.  Its hard to imagine all this now though lol  with everything thats happened between the 2 communities since then. 

But yh the idea of pakistan was created by the elite muslims from Bihar/UP  it was nothing to do with islam but the elite muslims who were worried about their positions in a hindu majority india  

[Guest Singh]

10 hours ago, Guest Gupt said:

I wonder what happened to sikhs living in Pakistan. Was it their idea to make Pakistan? We did not vouch for partition of punjab. We suffered because of radical islamist demands. This was systematic destruction by likes of jinnah and co who advocated idea that muslims and hindus cannot co-exist. To suggest otherwise is disingenuous. You can't ignore past context. Any making amends is appreciated but not without acknowledging the past. We were forced out of our proporties, raped and massacred by these same people parents and grandparents. None of it our fault. All to fulfil the power lust of one man and one community. Never Forget!

But look at the intelligence of the Pakistani Muslims. The Pakistani Jatts and Pakistani Brahmins systematically ethnically cleansed the Sikhs out of Pakistan in the Pakistani Genocide of Sikhs and now these same people are looking to earn $1billion dollars in tourism dollars from naive Sikhs in the next 5 years! In the meantime Muhammad Izhar Alam and Muslims who killed thousands of Sikhs in the Congress (Indira) Genocide of Sikhs are given permission to settle Muslims and re-open mosques in every village of east Punjab.

6 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

How many Sikhs do live in Pakistan and where in Pakistan do they live? 

From being a near 10% minority in west Punjab back in 1947, now Pakistani (non-Pathan) Sikhs number less than 3,000 in a country of 200million people. And the Pakistani Genocide of Sikhs in 1947 still pays the Muslims further dividends today through naive Sikhs rushing to Pakistan.

3 hours ago, puzzled said:

But yh the idea of pakistan was created by the elite muslims

True that Muslim Jatts like the 1st Prime Minister of Pakistan Liaquat Ali Khan always despised Sikhs and Muslim Brahmins like Iqbal realised that ethnically cleansing the Sikhs out of Pakistan in the Pakistan Genocide of Sikhs would eradicate the troublesome minority. Nowadays Muslim Jatts like Pakistan Army Chief Bajwa (the puppet master who controls Imran) realise that Sikhs are so gullible and naive that on the pretext of sharda the Pakistani Army can earn $1 billion dollars from stupid Sikhs whilst in eastern Punjab the NRI + rich local Sikh clowns cannot pay for the cancer treatment of poor Sikhs who are converting to Christianity. Coupled with the billion plus dollars the Paksitani's earn from flooding Punjab with drugs you honestly have to marvel at how the Muslims have miraculously positioned them as the new saviours and masters of Sikhs by kindly letting the dumb Sikhs lose $1 billion dollars every five years whereas in east Punjab hundreds of thousands of Sikh are left die to off lack of money to fight drug addiction, lack of money to fight cancer, lack of money for poor Sikh children to get an education, lack of money or commitment to fight female infanticide.

Forget our Guru Sahibaan ... all hail Guru Imran Khan Niazi Maharaj and all hail Guru General Bajwa Maharaj. Pathetic sycophants!

 

[Guest GUEST JS2019]

17 hours ago, S1ngh said:

So, all fault is of Pakistan but not of Hindustan? 

Hindustan has existed for centuries. Guru Nanak dev ji mentions the name hindustan in Babar Bani in SGGS. Partition was idea of radical islamists and power hungry politicians. It wasn't idea of hindus. Of course it wasn't- Parts of Punjab and Bengal were split apart and Sindh (where we get name hindustan) tragically went to the new project called Pakistan. It was the first step for Ghazwa-e-Hind! The complete conversion and invasion of islam in the indian subcontinent. Apparently Muhammad mentions it in a hadith which they believe to be true. 

[Dsinghdp 172]

On 11/15/2019 at 5:30 PM, S1ngh said:

So, all fault is of Pakistan but not of Hindustan? 

I agree.

Hail Pakistan government for opening Kartarpur after 72 years.

 

[Guest guest]

On 11/15/2019 at 2:52 PM, Guest Gupt said:

 We were forced out of our proporties, raped and massacred by these same people parents and grandparents. 

so if your grandfather murdered some one, are you to blame for that?

sikhs wanted access to the Gurdwara, and they gave it.  so what are you whining about?

i've noticed that with whining sikhs like you the issue always comes down to money.  you are bitter money (or property) is on someone elses hands.

theres some sikh NRI who is often trying to raise money to build cancer hospital in panjab on the sikh channel.  i think he's a jatt.  

now tell us, what are you doing for cancer sufferers?