Interfaith Marriage

[singhdalbir 55]

This guy just joined the forum in April so hella shaddy.

[Guest Singh]

1 hour ago, singhdalbir said:

seems like RSS or Muslim trying to weaken us.

I don't think she is Hindu or Muslim.

Obviously all humanity and insaaniat is one.

However, what I think Sat1 is articulating poorly (or glossing over) is that there are serious differences between the path of Sikhi (Truth) as taught by Guru Sahib and religious ideologies like Islam (where the Quran supports such evil and depraved things like Slavery, the rape of children, the sexual enslavement of non-Muslim, Genocide and terrorism) and Hinduism (which supports such depraved concepts as the caste system and considers women impure similar to how Islam does).

I think once Sat1 acknowledges that the Muslim and Hindu beliefs above are wholeheartedly and categorically rejected by Sikhi then she will be able to articulate what she actually believes a bit better.

 

 

[Guest Singh]

16 hours ago, Kau89r8 said:

What is his background? 

Mona Punjabi as the new craze nowadays is to try ban all non-Amrtitdhari weddings so as to disconnect ordinary Sikhs away from their Gurdwara and Sangat and cut off their children and future generations away from any connection to Sikhi

14 hours ago, indersingh1313 said:

hard to judge someone's faith! there are people who are born into Sikh families and do Anand Karaj, they also drink at their weddings and many get divorce too...

Guru Sahib and Gurbani have the power to reform the most wicked of Sinners.

The bigger Beadbi is to disconnect a couple who request Anand Karaj and to thereby disconnect them, their family, their children and future generations from wanting to have anything to do with Sikhi and their local Gurdwara Sangat.

14 hours ago, puzzled said:

I was in a similar situation a few years back. We know this Punjabi family for decades and one of their daughters decided to get married to a Gujrati guy, they did the anand karaj in the early hours somewhere in Hayes, not sure where. I was caught between telling someone or not and i didn't at the end! because i walk past these same people and when i see them i greet them and then there i was going behind their back and reporting them. It didn't feel right, and my parents wouldn't of been happy at all if i did that. 

I'm glad you didn't protest on the day of their Anand Karaj.

Given that one of our Panj Piare was Gujarati the more of them we integrate within the Diaspora Gurdwara Sangat, There are countless Gujarati (Sikh) females attending Gurdwara and raising Sikh children in the States. If the Gujarati gentleman in question was to experience the power of Sangat and learn about the Panj Piare more often than not most would choose Sikhi as the Truth over and above the caste system and gender discrimination offered by Hinduism.

13 hours ago, Premi5 said:

It's a difficult one, who knows if it would result in negative karma for ourselves if we do something like that . 

Well said. What bigger negative karma could there be than to guarantee that a couple's children and future generations are completely alienated and pushed away from Sikhi, and their local Gurdwara Sangat by young folks protesting!

12 hours ago, puzzled said:

Yeah that's the thing bro. Whenever i walk past their house and i see them i stop and talk to the brother and father, and then imagine if i went behind their backs and reported the wedding. It just didn't feel right. Especially considering it was their daughters wedding, parents go through so much these days trying to get their kids married. And it would of caused problems in my family! back then when people used to protest outside Gurdware at interfaith Anand Karajs i told my parents that if another one happens at our local Gurdwara I'm gnna go and protest and my dad raised his hand indicating a potential slap!

I'm glad you didn't join the protests. When 2 people are going to get married anyway (at a Mandir or Registry Office if they are refused Anand Karaj) then it logically makes more sense to educate them about Sikhi and provide them the support of their local Gurdwara Sangat in order to integrate them within the Sikh Panth. Instead of pushing them away so that the Sikh Panth in the Diaspora is left weaker and weaker as our oppenents wish to see (and laughing at us at how stupid we are to unwittingly do their dirty work for them in demographically weakening the Panth). The Sikh Panth needs a constant infusion of new blood in order to grow. The new blood tends to be more educated about Sikhi and more committed to what it stands in terms of justice, equality and Sarbat da Bhalla. Whereas those who think of Sikhi as a mere accident of birth trend more towards drugs, alcohol and everything in opposition to Sikhi and Gurmat.

[Sat1 63]

On 9/14/2020 at 12:52 AM, singhdalbir said:

your a fool. with some ulterior motive. Guru Sahib said I am neither Hindu nor Muslim. because he rejected both backwards ideologies. Guru Sahib started a new religion. Aurangzeb want to make 1 from 2 but Guru said God want to make 3 from 2. Stop using Gurbani to future your stupid thought process. you don't understand nor it seem you ever will. you have to read the whole Shabad to understand that is he rejecting all the practices of those two irrelevant religions. If there is no religion than why did Guru Gobind singh ji create the Khalsa. You utter nonsense that might mislead other on this forum. I ask the Admin again this seem like a CAT. Please check his IP.

This quote proved what I’ve said. Read it again. Your ego is blinding you to what’s right in front of you. There’s only One. Religion is false, we’re not Hindus or Muslims, God is One. Sikh means Student, were students of Sat. 

[Sat1 63]

On 9/14/2020 at 2:03 AM, Guest Singh said:

I don't think she is Hindu or Muslim.

Obviously all humanity and insaaniat is one.

However, what I think Sat1 is articulating poorly (or glossing over) is that there are serious differences between the path of Sikhi (Truth) as taught by Guru Sahib and religious ideologies like Islam (where the Quran supports such evil and depraved things like Slavery, the rape of children, the sexual enslavement of non-Muslim, Genocide and terrorism) and Hinduism (which supports such depraved concepts as the caste system and considers women impure similar to how Islam does).

I think once Sat1 acknowledges that the Muslim and Hindu beliefs above are wholeheartedly and categorically rejected by Sikhi then she will be able to articulate what she actually believes a bit better.

 

 

There is no religion. Dasam Granth Ji explains that the teachers of Hinduism and Islam became corrupts and became psychopaths, Mohammed circumcising his followers and the gods and goddesses were in ego making people worship them. Religion is false, there’s only the Pure Uncorrupted teachings that the Gurus taught. They added teachings of other bhagats who were born into other religions but who detached from them and practiced Truth, to show that religion is false. That Truth is One. 
 

That’s why Guru Nanak says to replace the Hindu and Muslim rituals with truthful actions and deeds instead, because the rituals mean Nothing. There’s only One as taught in Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Many others twisted and corrupted Gods messages and fell off the path. The Gurus came at a time where there was so much darkness, falsehood and false rituals and religion. Guru Nanak eradicated the false constraints of religions, and taught us that there’s only One All Pervading God, One pervading Truth..no Hindu, no Muslim. How can God who is all pervading be constrained to anything..to any religion, caste, culture or sect. We have Punjabi’s who are buried six feet under in culture to the extent that they believe that white, black, Chinese, reds Indians are different from us, when humans are Equal, it’s the man made constraints of religion, culture, caste, false societal levels, wealth and poverty etc that blind us to the Truth. When you’re a Sikh, ie student of Truth, you don’t constrain yourself to an illusion. You free yourself of it and realise it’s all just God and hence become all loving and fearless, Nirboah and Nirvair. 

[GurjantGnostic 585]

1 hour ago, Sat1 said:

There is no religion. Dasam Granth Ji explains that the teachers of Hinduism and Islam became corrupts and became psychopaths, Mohammed circumcising his followers and the gods and goddesses were in ego making people worship them. Religion is false, there’s only the Pure Uncorrupted teachings that the Gurus taught. They added teachings of other bhagats who were born into other religions but who detached from them and practiced Truth, to show that religion is false. That Truth is One. 
 

That’s why Guru Nanak says to replace the Hindu and Muslim rituals with truthful actions and deeds instead, because the rituals mean Nothing. There’s only One as taught in Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Many others twisted and corrupted Gods messages and fell off the path. The Gurus came at a time where there was so much darkness, falsehood and false rituals and religion. Guru Nanak eradicated the false constraints of religions, and taught us that there’s only One All Pervading God, One pervading Truth..no Hindu, no Muslim. How can God who is all pervading be constrained to anything..to any religion, caste, culture or sect. We have Punjabi’s who are buried six feet under in culture to the extent that they believe that white, black, Chinese, reds Indians are different from us, when humans are Equal, it’s the man made constraints of religion, culture, caste, false societal levels, wealth and poverty etc that blind us to the Truth. When you’re a Sikh, ie student of Truth, you don’t constrain yourself to an illusion. You free yourself of it and realise it’s all just God and hence become all loving and fearless, Nirboah and Nirvair. 

If there is no religion how has a pillar of it been removed each yug?  

There is in fact One religion that has to be continually regifted, in this yug only the pillar of Naam remains which is why the Gurus said the hindu is blind and the muslim has one eye. The muslim knows to praise The One God but is blind to further Truth.  The Truth is timeless and universal yes, but that does not erase Khalsa Panth as you would like.  

 

 

[GurjantGnostic 585]

@Sat1 How those 52 hukams of Guru Gobind Singh Ji treating you?

[singhdalbir 55]

14 hours ago, Sat1 said:

There is no religion. Dasam Granth Ji explains that the teachers of Hinduism and Islam became corrupts and became psychopaths, Mohammed circumcising his followers and the gods and goddesses were in ego making people worship them. Religion is false, there’s only the Pure Uncorrupted teachings that the Gurus taught. They added teachings of other bhagats who were born into other religions but who detached from them and practiced Truth, to show that religion is false. That Truth is One. 
 

That’s why Guru Nanak says to replace the Hindu and Muslim rituals with truthful actions and deeds instead, because the rituals mean Nothing. There’s only One as taught in Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Many others twisted and corrupted Gods messages and fell off the path. The Gurus came at a time where there was so much darkness, falsehood and false rituals and religion. Guru Nanak eradicated the false constraints of religions, and taught us that there’s only One All Pervading God, One pervading Truth..no Hindu, no Muslim. How can God who is all pervading be constrained to anything..to any religion, caste, culture or sect. We have Punjabi’s who are buried six feet under in culture to the extent that they believe that white, black, Chinese, reds Indians are different from us, when humans are Equal, it’s the man made constraints of religion, culture, caste, false societal levels, wealth and poverty etc that blind us to the Truth. When you’re a Sikh, ie student of Truth, you don’t constrain yourself to an illusion. You free yourself of it and realise it’s all just God and hence become all loving and fearless, Nirboah and Nirvair. 

You are a real psycho aren't you. do you have a real job or life. I mean you had so much time to go down vote all my previous posts. you are just a crazy psycho. I guess guru Sahib was right don't argue with fools.

If there is no religion than guru sahib wouldn't have said the following:

Dharam bina sab daley Maley hai.

Dasam Bani Uggardanti.. 'Kareh Khalsa Panth Teesar Parveesah, Jugay Singh Jodhay Turay Neel Bhaisa'

Third Panth basically is new religion. You won't acknowledge it because it doesn't find your narrative.

Below are few lines from Vaar 41 of Bhai Gurdas Ji. It basically proves that Khalsa is a third panth(religion).

Ehe Thisar Majahb Khalsa Upjeoo Pardhana

Niij Panth Chalo Khalsa Dhar Tej Karaa

 

Sikhism isn't some philosophy that you follow it an actual religion. I know you are an outsider trying to brain wash young kids here but that won't work.

This is it I am done arguing with fools.

[Guest Sat1 would say]

23 minutes ago, singhdalbir said:

I mean you had so much time to go down vote all my previous posts.

We all one whats the difference between like and downvote 

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different groups r different - i love ice cream kulfi kheer with vanilla milk panir cheeses butter clarified butter buttermilk cream etc etc prashad is great - some humanoids can’t digest wheat and some can’t digest liquor a medicine 

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[ipledgeblue 241]

On 9/13/2020 at 12:09 PM, puzzled said:

I was in a similar situation a few years back. We know this Punjabi family for decades and one of their daughters decided to get married to a Gujrati guy, they did the anand karaj in the early hours somewhere in Hayes, not sure where. I was caught between telling someone or not and i didn't at the end! because i walk past these same people and when i see them i greet them and then there i was going behind their back and reporting them. It didn't feel right, and my parents wouldn't of been happy at all if i did that. 

lol they probably done it in Guru Nanak sikh Academy or at the other gurdwara the school owns down Springfield Road, called Garib Niwas. Since those places aren't public people can get away with doing interfaith Anand Karaj. The only public gurdwara in Hayes is Ramgharia gurdwara, and there would probably be protests there!

[jkvlondon 5,306]

Given that Indian /eastern society tends to push the faith of the father onto the kids as the only choice , which my folks were also worried about because of relatives speaking that way I can see how an unconverted male would be an unknown quantity and there would be a huge risk of apostacy from sikhi if the female is not versed or willing to bring up her kids in sikhi . In my case, we had to talk through such future things as a couple and  in the gurdwara when we got married we made an explicit promise to bring up kids in Sikhi . Maybe it was just us because any other marriage I had seen there no granthi etc ever gave that sikhiya.

In the case of the mona punjabi , the couple should have been offered the marriage course like catholics do before the anand karaj so that they know just what they are entering, promising etc and then decide if they will try for anand Karaj by devoting themselves to Guru ji .

Being a sikh is a privilege not a right ...so let's give it the respect it deserves

As I heard in a video yesterday "these days sikhs say why do we need to have amrit , guys. Guru Gobind Singh ji begged for amrit to be worthy of being called Singh , are you more special than Guru Gobind Singh ji?"

Another pangti came up in my feed where Guru ji says you have no strength/will to keep your kesh and try to say that times have changed , this comment was made to sikh back in the time when Guru ji was in Deh form so you can see resistance has always been there  and Guru ji has given his faisla at that time

[Sat1 63]

On 9/17/2020 at 4:51 AM, singhdalbir said:

You are a real psycho aren't you. do you have a real job or life. I mean you had so much time to go down vote all my previous posts. you are just a crazy psycho. I guess guru Sahib was right don't argue with fools.

If there is no religion than guru sahib wouldn't have said the following:

Dharam bina sab daley Maley hai.

Dasam Bani Uggardanti.. 'Kareh Khalsa Panth Teesar Parveesah, Jugay Singh Jodhay Turay Neel Bhaisa'

Third Panth basically is new religion. You won't acknowledge it because it doesn't find your narrative.

Below are few lines from Vaar 41 of Bhai Gurdas Ji. It basically proves that Khalsa is a third panth(religion).

Ehe Thisar Majahb Khalsa Upjeoo Pardhana

Niij Panth Chalo Khalsa Dhar Tej Karaa

 

Sikhism isn't some philosophy that you follow it an actual religion. I know you are an outsider trying to brain wash young kids here but that won't work.

This is it I am done arguing with fools.

Downvote what posts? I didn’t do that, I’m not sure who did. Someone downvoted a lot of my posts in another thread, was probably the same person. 
 

It’s the Khalsa, it’s not a Religion. It’s the Path of Truth. Of which there is only One. You wish to confine God to a Religious sect when Guru Nanak taught otherwise. 
 

Many who claim to be Sikh have fallen into the ego of the external appearance and neglect the internal. They spend their time praying and then going out and doing nindya of good souls, many of the men downplay woman to lift themselves up and think that the external appearance means they are pure.

It doesn’t. The internal is just as important. That why the Gurus preached for Muslims to swap their prayer mats for Truth in Practice and Hindus to do the same. The way you write, the way you react, reflects a Mayadhari who is sitting on a high horse behind the confines of the external of a so called religion. When someone tells you what the Guru himself has taught, you boil over in anger and ego. Tell me how does accepting Guru Nanaks own words as Truth make one a psychopath?

 The Khalsa are the Pure Ones. Do you claim to be a Pure One in action?
 

[Sat1 63]

On 9/17/2020 at 5:16 AM, Guest Sat1 would say said:

We all one whats the difference between like and downvote 

Oh bullies, I’m being ganged up on, how scary. Grow up, and be civilized. This isn’t a schoolyard. I must be the oldest one here.

[learningkaur 75]

On 9/17/2020 at 12:37 PM, jkvlondon said:

Given that Indian /eastern society tends to push the faith of the father onto the kids as the only choice , which my folks were also worried about because of relatives speaking that way I can see how an unconverted male would be an unknown quantity and there would be a huge risk of apostacy from sikhi if the female is not versed or willing to bring up her kids in sikhi . In my case, we had to talk through such future things as a couple and  in the gurdwara when we got married we made an explicit promise to bring up kids in Sikhi . Maybe it was just us because any other marriage I had seen there no granthi etc ever gave that sikhiya.

In the case of the mona punjabi , the couple should have been offered the marriage course like catholics do before the anand karaj so that they know just what they are entering, promising etc and then decide if they will try for anand Karaj by devoting themselves to Guru ji .

 

what was your husband when you married him? 
 

I agree re explaining the meaning of anand karaj before marriage. Unfortunately a lot of the times it’s just about the money and getting the dates to match reception hall availability !