My thoughts

[Big_Tera]

3 hours ago, proudkaur21 said:

yeah but the beliefs endanger the future of non muslims so how can we be quite. Our duty is to make as many people aware so they don't fall in the trap.

Very true.

[MisterrSingh]

18 hours ago, dharamyudh said:

I'm saying this as respectfully as I can veerji, so please don't take this the wrong way. In all honesty, who really cares. Let people believe what they wanna believe. Let's just stick to our path and not stick our nose into whatever or whomever others believe. Leave that to their fellow Abrahamics.

This is the mentality that gets Muslims rubbing their hands in glee. It's a suicidal policy for a demographic such as ours who has to live alongside them in the West, and, if the current omens bear any relevance for the future in Punjab, their malign influence is beginning to make inroads into our ancestral lands, too. We should be actively seeking to undermine Islam and get as many people out of that cult as humanly possible.

If we weren't already a dead-quom-walking and we actually had some intelligent and far-sighted leadership, we should've been cultivating alliances ("alliances" not bum-chum parties) with Christians, Hindus, and other affected groups to get these f***s out of our spaces. Instead, we hold umbrellas over the bhainchods and keep their bundhs warm as they pray to their moon god.

@Big_Tera Fair play to you, brother. You're educating yourself on their ideology, and you're doing something to take the figurative fight to them, which is a darn sight more than our so-called religious leaders.

[dharamyudh]

Simple answer. Teach Gurmat and Gursikhi and you won't have this problem. 

[MisterrSingh]

40 minutes ago, dharamyudh said:

Simple answer. Teach Gurmat and Gursikhi and you won't have this problem. 

Bruh, that's like saying, "When someone pushes you off a cliff, just learn how to fly. Easy."

 

[GurjantGnostic]

I'm with @Big_Tera on this one. We need specifics filed away for any debates or discussions that might occur and the entire world should be more candid about islam. 

A Big part is the Gurmat. The most critical. But also understanding the other's beliefs and holding them to the letter of it. 

[dharamyudh]

2 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

Bruh, that's like saying, "When someone pushes you off a cliff, just learn how to fly. Easy."

 

Not really. Most people fall prey to these guys because they have no confidence/no exposure to Gurmat. Why not address the root of the problem? If we spend our time dogging on other faiths, does that make us any different from these Christians or Muslims for that matter? But Satbachan ji, you guys are right. 

[MisterrSingh]

5 hours ago, dharamyudh said:

Not really. Most people fall prey to these guys because they have no confidence/no exposure to Gurmat. Why not address the root of the problem? If we spend our time dogging on other faiths, does that make us any different from these Christians or Muslims for that matter? But Satbachan ji, you guys are right. 

A two-pronged approach is wise: a bit of what I'm suggesting AND a whole lot of yours. 

We need to start being unapologetically Sikh not just in our little jathe dust-ups (which has always struck me as punching down), but against Muslims, Christians, and others. Sikhs bark against other Sikhs, but meow when Muzzies and Christians arrive on the scene. This needs to change. This interfaith tatti needs to die a sudden death. It's weakened us, not made us stronger.

[GurjantGnostic]

On 4/14/2022 at 10:54 PM, MisterrSingh said:

A two-pronged approach is wise: a bit of what I'm suggesting AND a whole lot of yours. 

We need to start being unapologetically Sikh not just in our little jathe dust-ups (which has always struck me as punching down), but against Muslims, Christians, and others. Sikhs bark against other Sikhs, but meow when Muzzies and Christians arrive on the scene. This needs to change. This interfaith tatti needs to die a sudden death. It's weakened us, not made us stronger.

Unapologetically Sikh indeed. We also need to march our phonies and people need to tighten up.  This is a Fauj. 

[Big_Tera]

On 4/15/2022 at 1:11 AM, dharamyudh said:

Not really. Most people fall prey to these guys because they have no confidence/no exposure to Gurmat. Why not address the root of the problem? If we spend our time dogging on other faiths, does that make us any different from these Christians or Muslims for that matter? But Satbachan ji, you guys are right. 

 

It seems like you have the mentality and thinking that all religions are equal and right and will lead to God. That we should all hold each others hands, sing ring a ring a roses and live happily ever after like some fairy tale. Not get involved in anything, but just concentrate on praying and being happy in our own religion and hope for the best.  

It's time to wake up. Islam is and Muhammed are a menace and great danger to society and our way of life. These people want to change your beliefs and religion and the way of life of britian to an Islamic one and your thinking is "who cares". well you soon will one day when britians becomes an Islamic country and your freedom to practice religion has gone. Then It will be to late to do anything. Then you will again say " who cares and be happy to move to another country" .. then when that country becomes an Islamic state. You will say who cares and move to another country. And so fourth. 

Sikhs and all non Muslims need to read up on why Islam and Muhammed are wrong so they can educate their kids and next generations. I am not saying go and start debating with Muslims.(Although if you want to do that, it's completley fine) But you should have good knowledge on why Islam is not a true religion. It actually strengthens your own faith when you start to seeing the inaccuracies and falsness of Islam aswell as Christianity. That's not to say we should start hating non Sikhs. We should only show negativity to those who try and convert us or have bad intentions for us and our faith.

Sikhi teaches to respect all other religions. It doesn't say agree with all other religions and partake in a fast to show your love for them. When Muslims (Mughals were forcibly converting people in India and Punjab to Islam. Did Guru Gobind Singh  say. "Who cares" Let's just concentrate on our Sikhi and let them do what they want. When Mughals tried to steal 40.000 hindu women. Did the Sikhs say. Who cares it's not effecting us let's go and eat a veggi samosa and pray that the world becomes a better place.  

It's time to show some steel and couragesness and be outspoken, politically aware. Sikhs should care deeply about state of the world as we all want to live and work in a better place. We should all strive for equality, social justice,  fighting for the oppressed because when the sh1t hits the fan we are all going to get spattered and it ain't going to smell nice. 

[Big_Tera]

On 4/14/2022 at 7:16 PM, MisterrSingh said:

This is the mentality that gets Muslims rubbing their hands in glee. It's a suicidal policy for a demographic such as ours who has to live alongside them in the West, and, if the current omens bear any relevance for the future in Punjab, their malign influence is beginning to make inroads into our ancestral lands, too. We should be actively seeking to undermine Islam and get as many people out of that cult as humanly possible.

If we weren't already a dead-quom-walking and we actually had some intelligent and far-sighted leadership, we should've been cultivating alliances ("alliances" not bum-chum parties) with Christians, Hindus, and other affected groups to get these f***s out of our spaces. Instead, we hold umbrellas over the bhainchods and keep their bundhs warm as they pray to their moon god.

@Big_Tera Fair play to you, brother. You're educating yourself on their ideology, and you're doing something to take the figurative fight to them, which is a darn sight more than our so-called religious leaders.

Yep I did go down the avenue of learning about Islam Not because I was interested in it. But like many Sikhs or non Muslims I had no real knowledge of the religion. So one day I had a lightbulb moment. I thought let's learn a little about it (reluctantly) and see the main beliefs, main contradictions aswell as criticisms . First I studied Muhammed solely. To see what he was about. It didn't take long for me to come to my conclusions about him as there is so much criticism of him due to his immoral actions that I didn't even have to go any further really. But I still researched more as it was astonishing to find so much info that shows its a religion that does not make any sense or logic. 

Now I feel so much better and instead of disliking something I did not really know to much about. Now I dislike it even more knowing about all the inaccuricies and mistakes there is in the Koran which I have learnt about. It's given me a whole knew perspective and made me more firm in my own Sikh faith. 

A book I recommend to read is 

'The truth about Muhammed'

It's one of the most popular books that explains in a concise and easy to understand way. Why Islam is not the truth. Iv not read it yet. But Ive heard good reviews about it.