Ravdasia - Conversion and Confusion

[singh1986]

I noticed a growing number of 3rd/4th generation kids who grew up going to Ravidasia Gurdwaras and Sangat converting on mass. All my peers that I went to school with wouldn't call themselves Sikhs, but then were ridiculed even by Goray for not knowing what religion if anything they were...

Some called themselves Hindu but a sister from the same family would be Sikh. This confusion I feel has been exploited by Muslims, Christians etc who have targeted people who practice something that has no real structure, interpretations or offical name? It's literally different from each Bhawan to Gurdwara to Centre/Temple.

I'd rather these people stay somewhat connected to Sikhi, but it looks like thier families and parents and continuing in this trajectory of separating from Sikhi but take thier kids into no man's land with no logic or sense. Which then gets exploited by the Dawah givers who quote bani back to them and point out how thier parents and community themselves don't follow the scriptures they attach themselves too, or have any real history as a organised religion. 

Surely, those Ravidasia people living in the UK atleast can see what this is doing to thier kids? When you even look at thier sangat, it's older people, hardly any youth because I genuinely think they don't want to associate with the Bhavans (or whatever they call them).

Anyone from the community on this forum? Where is your head at? Surely you see what I see?

[ChardikalaUK]

It's a failure from us more 'mainstream' Sikhs. How often have do we call such people chamars and churreh in a derogatory way? 

Having said that, Pakistanis are the equivalent in the Muslim world. What's funny is that they've accepted their role in the hierarchy of the Muslim world. It's quite pathetic really and they still try to convert others to their religion. 

Until casteism disappears from Sikhs this will continue. 

 

 

[proudkaur21]

1 hour ago, ChardikalaUK said:

It's a failure from us more 'mainstream' Sikhs. How often have do we call such people chamars and churreh in a derogatory way? 

Having said that, Pakistanis are the equivalent in the Muslim world. What's funny is that they've accepted their role in the hierarchy of the Muslim world. It's quite pathetic really and they still try to convert others to their religion. 

Until casteism disappears from Sikhs this will continue. 

 

 

Well they have strong belief and regards for Islam . So why would slurs or ill behaviour from random arab or white muslims deter them from believing in what they think is the truth?

[dallysingh101]

19 hours ago, singh1986 said:

I noticed a growing number of 3rd/4th generation kids who grew up going to Ravidasia Gurdwaras and Sangat converting on mass. All my peers that I went to school with wouldn't call themselves Sikhs, but then were ridiculed even by Goray for not knowing what religion if anything they were...

Some called themselves Hindu but a sister from the same family would be Sikh. This confusion I feel has been exploited by Muslims, Christians etc who have targeted people who practice something that has no real structure, interpretations or offical name? It's literally different from each Bhawan to Gurdwara to Centre/Temple.

I'd rather these people stay somewhat connected to Sikhi, but it looks like thier families and parents and continuing in this trajectory of separating from Sikhi but take thier kids into no man's land with no logic or sense. Which then gets exploited by the Dawah givers who quote bani back to them and point out how thier parents and community themselves don't follow the scriptures they attach themselves too, or have any real history as a organised religion. 

Surely, those Ravidasia people living in the UK atleast can see what this is doing to thier kids? When you even look at thier sangat, it's older people, hardly any youth because I genuinely think they don't want to associate with the Bhavans (or whatever they call them).

Anyone from the community on this forum? Where is your head at? Surely you see what I see?

You've completely failed to mention the systemic abuse they've been receiving from the hands of other 'Sikhs' for generations and how this has led to this.