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For a long time I've heard Singhs crying over one thing, and this finally needs to be said. "Sikh girls don't find men with beards and turbans attractive" "Sikh girls want clean shaven men" "Go to India to find a decent Sikh girl who will accept your kesh" "I think about cutting my hair so girls will like me" What have you guys been smoking? Firstly, how do you define "Sikh" girls? It seems that most people are actually referring to typical Punjabi kurriya, in which case, why is the word "Sikh" being thrown around? It takes A LOT more to be a Sikh of the Guru than simply being born into a Punjabi Sikh family. Punjabi and Sikh = two entirely different things, stop confusing them!! Secondly, why do these "Sikh" men with beards and dastara want to be with these cut haired, night club type Punjabi girls? Why do they want so badly to be accepted and liked by them? It is beyond me. Thirdly, if you're the type of "Singh" who considers cutting your hair so some shallow girl will like you, how can you even consider yourself a Singh? Putting some girl in front of your Guru... I would never want to be with someone like you. You guys are so deluded. Although I'm aspiring to become an amritdhari Singhni, even before I was into Sikhi I'd look at men with kesh and dastara in awe... as weird as it may seem, with cut hair and make up, I saw Singhs as higher than any other guy and I wanted to be with one. And no, I'm not from a religious amritdhari family. There is nothing more amazing to me than the Khalsa roop. Nothing more powerful and mesmerizing than a Singh with a long beard, an akali blue dastar and baana... wow. A saint soldier. (Of course, my image of Singhs has changed since I found out what the majority of these so called warriors are really like.) It was the same a few years ago, and its the same now; my friend (cut hair, fyi) and I talking about how absolutely amazing it is, hardly having any words to describe it... daydreaming like little girls lol. And no, its not a "needle in a haystack" type thing - if you're after girls who like to drink and party then what do you expect? Can you seriously complain? If you open your eyes and actually see that there are Gursikh girls who wouldn't settle for a non-Singh, then maybe you'd stop fretting over something so stupid and shallow! I'd also like to say, if you're one of these Singhs who goes out looking for attention from girls in order to feel that your beard and turban are attractive, then I wouldn't want to be with you. Real Singhs, please come forward. Lastly, I'd like to ask why you guys fret over what your dastars look like to outsiders and girls, but you dont consider how difficult it is for Singhnia wearing dastara and growing their kesh. They're more warriors than you are, going against all social norms and causing confusion amongst the public, who don't even know Sikh girls wear turbans. Do you think the average non keshdhari boy is going to want to be with them? But do they care, or are they looking for real Singhs? Stop complaining guys. This wasn't meant to cause offense but rather to open your eyes. One last piece of advice - Singhs, be kind and sweet to everyone you meet. Don't be judgmental, obnoxious, loud or cocky.. always strive to be the best person you can be. Obviously this applies to girls too, but I say this because briefly meeting dome nice Singhs recently impacted the way I think about Singhs (in a positive way).

UK political leader visits Amritsar to pay his respects and then to raise Sikh demands with Indian Government Simon Hughes MP, the Deputy Leader of the Liberal Democrats and someone very close to the Sikh community is today (Sunday 2 October) to pay his respects when he visits the Harmandir Sahib Complex. The visit has been organised by the Sikh Federation (UK) who have arranged for Simon Hughes MP to meet with Sikh youth leaders and discuss five specific issues where he has been briefed: I. Justice for the June and November 1984 massacres and subsequent human rights violations – prosecution of individuals directly involved in genocide, torture, fake encounters, disappearances and other crimes against humanity. II. Professor Davinderpal Singh Bhullar’s case and the continued detention of Sikh political prisoners. III. Support for a change to Article 25 of the Indian Constitution and laws, such as the Hindu Marriage Act 1955, so the Sikh faith is properly recognised by the Constitution and Sikhs have their own laws. IV. Several recent cases (last few months) of the desecration of the Guru Granth Sahib (Sikh holy scriptures) that is causing considerable upset amongst Sikhs across the globe. Sikhs in Punjab are pushing for ‘murder’ charges for desecration as the Guru Granth Sahib is deemed a living Guru. V. Because of the continued injustices against Sikhs in the Indian sub-continent to support the Sikhs’ legitimate right to national self-determination. Simon Hughes when he spoke at the Freedom Rally in Trafalgar Square on 5 June promised the Sikh Federation (UK) he would visit Amritsar, listen to Sikh demands and then raise these legitimate demands with the Indian Government when he visits Delhi. When he visits Delhi later in the week he is also expected to raise the issue of Dr Manmohan Singh government’s failure to protect the Sikh identity in Europe e.g. Sikh turban in France or at airports across Europe by refusing to use India’s economic strength to influence foreign governments. Bhai Amrik Singh, the Chair of the Sikh Federation (UK) said: ‘The issues he raises during his visit are expected to make a significant Impact as the Liberal Democrats are part of the Coalition government in the UK and Nick Clegg their Leader is the Deputy Prime Minister. We met Nick Clegg and Simon Hughes a few months ago and they agreed the time had come for governments to take a stand with the Sikhs against the Indian Government.’

Your personality plays very important role. If one is Sikh by choice but have sort of inferiority complex (everyone does at some point of life) then your life will be hard. True that majority of girls and boys look for superficial stuff when talking about rishta and do not get discouraged by that as people changes their viewpoints day after day. Sunsingh's post is very informative ! To ppl who are posting messages such as 'get over this', stop whining etc.. To them, all I can say is to have some sense.. Is this the way to support your brothers?? Many will disagree with me but my strong advice to all unmarried singhs or kaurs is to get in touch with your roots back in Punjab!!!!

Beware of this man, he equates reading Dasam Bani to sins committed by MASSA RANGAR! He is saying that if Massa Rangar and Bhai Sukha Singh and Bhai Mehtab Singh Ji were to have a conversation today he would ask why he is being punished when the sins he committed are being committed by the panth today e.g. sharaab, dance of kanjaria (ref. to Dasam Bani) etc And indirectly suggests that those kirtaniye who recite the Bani of Dasam pita be punished as Bhai Sukha Singh Mehtab Singh punished Massa Rangar. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhWij2Pdl9E&feature=related

Wow...that's an amazing achievement! The fact that Simon Hughes is the Deputy Leader of the Liberal Democrats is raising such high profile cases for Sikhs on behalf of Sikhs is an outstanding achievment by the Sikh Federation!!! Well Done!

Sarabjit Singh Dunda is misleading the sangat. He talks of Sukha Singh Mehtab Singh, but if you read Sikh missionary collage's own book on Dasam Granth, "Dasam Granth Bare" they said that it was Sukha Singh and Mehtab Singh who insisted that all of the Dasam Granth be compiled into a single granth if their mission to punish Massa Rangar is successful, which means they supported Dasam Granth. And now Sarabjit Singh Dunda is contradicting Sikh missionary's own literature by using the name of Sukha Singh in his imaginary talk with Massa Rangar. Secondly, he implies that Kirtanis do kirtan of Charitro Pakyan which is false. I have yet to see someone doing Kirtan of Charitro Pakyan. In fact I have never even seen anyone doing Katha of CP. Before these Kala Afghanis started their anti Dasam Granth parchar, hardly anyone used to read Dasam Granth. Even Dasam Granth believing Sikhs hardly ever read Dasam Granth, But after these heretics started their heretic parchar, they have actually made many Sikhs into hardcore Dasam Granth supporters. While Sikh youth has largely become patits(hair cutters) these Bevakoofs are diverting the attention of the Sikhs from pressing issues that really effect the Panth. They have divided the Panth along pro Dasam Granth and Anti Dasam granth lines when the entire Panth should focus their combined energy on doing Parchar to the youth who are increasingly going away from Sikh Dharm by cutting hairs, doing drugs. There was a time when Sikh missionaries were not that bad. Their parcharaks and Kathakars were actually quite good. Originally they were largely influenced by Prof Sahib Singh and the Singh Sabha movement. But since the rise of the Kala Afghani movement, they have moved away from their original Singh Sabha/Sahib Singh school of thought and have now been very highly influenced by the Kala Afghanis. The influence of the Kala Afghanist mindset has been so great that now you can hardly distinguish between a Kala Afghani and a Sikh missionary.

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its GURU NANAK DEV JI'S calligram using JAPJI SAHIB by devinder singh

though it may be small consolation, it is written in our karams who we will marry. some get married earlier, some later. in my case, my marriage date was set at age 30. but then again, i had insanely high standards and was not well networked due to coming into sikhi at a much later age. your best bet is to do seva in sikh organisations or at the gurdwara as parents etc will notice you, go to youth group meeting ssa meetings, and focus on building yourself up. when people focus too much on getting a partner they worry a lot, instead shift the focus to building up your own value. work out, take up martial arts, do some hobby you're interested in, and focus on your education. and career. i would suggest also focusing on bani b/c it will give you peace of mind, poise, and confidence. these kinds of qualities do radiate out to others. the opportunities will come to you, and you will be better positioned to take advantage of them. and btw, plenty of sikh girls who are not yet gursikh are interested in sardars, not the majority, but still, more than enough. it's just a matter of finding them and of building up your own confidence and cachet.

i completely agree with californiasardar. its not only the party girls that are not with the turbaned sikhs but some prominent sikh girls are also with not only clean shaven guys but rather hindu guys. i didn't want to point fingers at anybody but just to provide some examples for confused and floating, i will mention couple of names here. nothing personal against these sikh women but since they have earned name for themselves in the community i thought i wll start with them. i know other examples too but those people are not as active in community as these two. First contender is Valarie kaur. Very active in interfaith dialogue and sikh issues.http://www.valariekaur.com/. Check out her website and you will see how much work she does. On the other hand if you check her facebook profile you can figure out that she is in relation with a Hindu guy called Sharat Raju. Guy looks ugly to me but thats what this gem of our religion likes. Instead of a Amritdhari Singh, she likes a clean shaven black south indian guy. Another big contender for me is Neha Singh Gohil of Sikh coalition. She is western region director for Sikh coalition. Working great for Sikh rights in USA but married to a Hindu guy. There are countless other examples I can give, but such girls who are born in Sikh families and stand up for Sikh rights but still end up with clean shaven guys, tells you its not the only typical party girls who have problem with turbaned Sikh boys.

We all flip flop a lot these days... One day we will be praising someone and then next day we will be labeling them as sinh. Sadly, most of the time these short 15min fame figures turn out too be bogus and we all get discouraged when we find out their reality. Most damaging part is that we don't feel the hope of doing anything for our community after finding out lots of creepy characters. Whenever someone creates something good, we should focus on the product rather than becoming the die-hard fan of the person who brought it to you. In order to avoid internal problems, we definitely need to learn on how to hold our urge back of praising them to the next level. All of us overdo a lot whether it's the case of mooranwali, udhoke, bittu and so on.. Yes they are intitled to get credit of creating a good quality product but we need to remember that we don't know them properly. Example: bank do not give home loans just because consumer keeps a good flashy car or wear branded clothes, they do hard checks on your whole credit history, proof of this or that. So, we need to refrain ourself from public praising of any personality in public and strictly keep matlab with the good work they created. Never praise anyone unless we really know other person neither we should throw dirt on someone unless we know all strong facts in person.

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This Hukamnama has me really puzzled. I have read it probably more than 5 times today and everytime the meaning changes for me. So far what i think Satguru is saying to us is that we need to separate what is permanent and what is temporary. We say this life is a dream, but in our hearts we don't follow this truth. We all have something that is worldly that makes us feel better about ourselves and we thrive on this subconsciously to keep us going throughout life. Say for a second that one thing or couple of things are taken away from you? How would you feel, what would you go through and would you be able to get up the next morning with a smile on your face as if you still have it? This one thing can be family, spouse, girlfriend, boyfriend, fiance, an organization, a person's work life, anything that your attached too. We humans use these attachments as our support. In the above Hukamnama, Satguru ask's what support does a person have who is griefing? This question wouldn't be directed at Gurmukhs because their support is Satguru. A person who has Satguru as their support, then for what reason are they going to have regrets, or have any sorrow in their lives? Some use their spouse as support, but that spouse will pass away one day and then what rope will you hold on too? This spouse wasn't permanent in the first place. As for why Satguru is asking in the Hukamnama, who has died, O who has died? Family, spouse, work, friends, social circles, events are all temporary as Satguru did not make them permanent. All these things came into existance as the world was created. But like the world they will depart. We are attached to a dream here. The cycle of birth and death, heaven and hell, are all subject to the same type of temporary existance as family, spouse, friends, etc. To what we say has died, the question arises. What was in existance in the first place? In reality (not speaking about the subjective reality, but how Satguru describes it) nothing died and nothing came and went. So if we attach ourselves to these temporary things then we are going to disappeare just like them. As the begining of the Shabad says: pvnY mih pvnu smwieAw ] (885-12, rwmklI, mÚ 5) pavnai meh pavan samaa-i-aa. The wind merges into the wind. joqI mih joiq ril jwieAw ] (885-12, rwmklI, mÚ 5) jotee meh jot ral jaa-i-aa. The light blends into the light. mwtI mwtI hoeI eyk ] (885-13, rwmklI, mÚ 5) maatee maatee ho-ee ayk. The dust becomes one with the dust. So it comes down to what are we going to use as our support throughout life for everything in life. Will it be Satguru or temporary things as to where they fit best?

Guru ka pyare here is the Hukamnama for Sri Darbar Sahib of today. It really makes you think deep of what is permanent and what comes and goes. rwmklI mhlw 5 ] (885-12) raamkalee mehlaa 5. Raamkalee, Fifth Mehl: pvnY mih pvnu smwieAw ] (885-12, rwmklI, mÚ 5) pavnai meh pavan samaa-i-aa. The wind merges into the wind. joqI mih joiq ril jwieAw ] (885-12, rwmklI, mÚ 5) jotee meh jot ral jaa-i-aa. The light blends into the light. mwtI mwtI hoeI eyk ] (885-13, rwmklI, mÚ 5) maatee maatee ho-ee ayk. The dust becomes one with the dust. rovnhwry kI kvn tyk ]1] (885-13, rwmklI, mÚ 5) rovanhaaray kee kavan tayk. ||1|| What support is there for the one who is lamenting? ||1|| kaunu mUAw ry kaunu mUAw ] (885-13, rwmklI, mÚ 5) ka-un moo-aa ray ka-un moo-aa. Who has died? O, who has died? bRhm igAwnI imil krhu bIcwrw iehu qau clqu BieAw ]1] rhwau ] (885-14, rwmklI, mÚ 5) barahm gi-aanee mil karahu beechaaraa ih ta-o chalat bha-i-aa. ||1|| rahaa-o. O God-realized beings, meet together and consider this. What a wondrous thing has happened! ||1||Pause|| AglI ikCu Kbir n pweI ] (885-14, rwmklI, mÚ 5) aglee kichh khabar na paa-ee. No one knows what happens after death. rovnhwru iB aUiT isDweI ] (885-15, rwmklI, mÚ 5) rovanhaar bhe ooth siDhaa-ee. The one who is lamenting will also arise and depart. Brm moh ky bWDy bMD ] (885-15, rwmklI, mÚ 5) bharam moh kay baaNDhay banDh. Mortal beings are bound by the bonds of doubt and attachment. supnu BieAw BKlwey AMD ]2] (885-15, rwmklI, mÚ 5) supan bha-i-aa bhakhlaa-ay anDh. ||2|| When life becomes a dream, the blind man babbles and grieves in vain. ||2|| iehu qau rcnu ricAw krqwir ] (885-15, rwmklI, mÚ 5) ih ta-o rachan rachi-aa kartaar. The Creator Lord created this creation. Awvq jwvq hukim Apwir ] (885-16, rwmklI, mÚ 5) aavat jaavat hukam apaar. It comes and goes, subject to the Will of the Infinite Lord. nh ko mUAw n mrxY jogu ] (885-16, rwmklI, mÚ 5) nah ko moo-aa na marnai jog. No one dies; no one is capable of dying. nh ibnsY AibnwsI hogu ]3] (885-16, rwmklI, mÚ 5) nah binsai abhinaasee hog. ||3|| The soul does not perish; it is imperishable. ||3|| jo iehu jwxhu so iehu nwih ] (885-17, rwmklI, mÚ 5) jo ih jaanhu so ih naahi. That which is known, does not exist. jwnxhwry kau bil jwau ] (885-17, rwmklI, mÚ 5) jaananhaaray ka-o bal jaa-o. I am a sacrifice to the one who knows this. khu nwnk guir Brmu cukwieAw ] (885-17, rwmklI, mÚ 5) kaho naanak gur bharam chukaa-i-aa. Says Nanak, the Guru has dispelled my doubt. nw koeI mrY n AwvY jwieAw ]4]10] (885-18, rwmklI, mÚ 5) naa ko-ee marai na aavai jaa-i-aa. ||4||10|| No one dies; no one comes or goes. ||4||10||

Thanks for reporting the unruly posts. I have also gone ahead and removed all the off topic replies

I see, i'm not sure. Hopefully someone can explain it more.

Singhji ive also heard the five kands are actual physical places where the soul can remain temporarily ..with the the exception of sachkhand which is permanent....also multiple naraks are also a reality where manmukhs are sent to be punished....we need more discussion on this.this issue has never really been highlighted on this forum..

Sikhs believe we keep going through the cycle of birth and death until we realize we have to merge back into Waheguru. Sikhs believe we've been given this life as a chance to finally merge back into Waheguru. Check out this lecture, it's in English and explains a lot on Sikhi, especially how a Sikh should live:

Most Sikhs (mainly Jatts) have sown their own seeds and let's see what the outcome will be. The refusal to knowledge the issue with complex technical arguments and spurious history lessons whilst knowingly ignoring the state of things today is bordering on delusional. When Jatts and Chamars are facing each other with machete's perhaps they will think of West London Singh's lecture and blame the whole thing on Heer Ranjha......dam that Waris Shah!! The killing of Sant Rammand was a big mistake, tensions were already building up but that incident was the catalyst, Chamars now have the confidence and won't be hushed, the week of rioting proved that, didn't hear of many Jatts or extreme Sikhs come out to face them. This board was rampant with anti Chamar feeling at the time of the incident, claiming the whole thing was a inside job, Chamar on Chamar violence. The hatred displayed to Chamars was evident so is it surprising that you now get songs like what the OP posted? Everyone was so keen to wait for the outcome of the trial and when it was proved that the killing was not an inside job, this board was very quiet on the subject, particularly when the other defendants blamed it on the one person who conveniently couldn't remember what happened, hardly the actions of brave martyrs as most on here hyped them up to be. Look, I'm not saying what Ramanand did was right, but the attitude that the Chammer leaders can be just eliminated and no consequences suffered are a thing of the past. The Chammars now want to go their own way, again certain Sikhs are unhappy with this saying they can't use the Bani of Ravidass, but the fact is they have done it already done it, what has anyone done about it? nothing because they know to pick a fight with Chammars is not to be taken lightly. Chammars rightly feel that they are not accepted fully within Sikhi and still get a hard time when they want to leave, is it not time we just gave them a break? Take your head out of the sand, smell the coffee, things are changing rapidly and it looks like it's going to end badly. I really really hope that things are not whipped up in the west because Punjab will pay the price, we'll all be safe behind our keyboards, so called superior tribes/castes throwing their weight around isn't going to be such a fun sport anymore, get used to it.