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  1. 6 points
    Forty-five days after a deadly shooting at Wisconsin Sikh temple, hundreds of Sikhs and their supporters lined the halls of Congress on Wednesday for a Capitol Hill Senate hearing on hate crimes and the growing threat of domestic terrorism. 18 year old, Harpreet Saini, son of one of the shooting victims, testified at the hearing and asked the Senators to help track hate crimes against the Sikhs. Below is an extract from his heartfelt and emotional appeal. “A little over a month ago, I never imagined I’d be here. I never imagined that anyone outside of Oak Creek would know my name. Or my mother’s name, Paramjit Kaur Saini. Or my brother’s name, Kamaljit Singh Saini. Kamal, my brother and best friend, is here with me today. As we all know, on Sunday, August 5, 2012, a white supremist fueled by hatred walked into our local Gurudwara with a loaded gun. He killed my mother, Paramjit Kaur, while she was sitting for morning prayers. He shot and killed five more men - all of them were fathers, all had turbans like me. And now people know all our names: Sita Singh, Ranjit Singh, Prakash Singh, Suvegh Singh, Satwant Singh Kaleka. This was not supposed to be our American story. This was not my mother’s dream.... It was a Tuesday, two days after our mother was killed, that my brother Kamal and I ate the leftovers of the last meal she had made for us. We ate her last rotis - which are a type of South Asian flatbread. She had made the rotis from scratch the night before she died. Along with the last bite of our food that Tuesday came the realization that this was the last meal made by the hands of our mother that we will ever eat in our lifetime..... Senators, my mother was our biggest fan, our biggest supporter. She was always there for us. She always had a smile on her face. But, now she’s gone. Because of a man who hated her because she wasn’t his color? His religion? I just had my first day of college. And my mother wasn’t there to send me off. She won’t be there for my graduation. She won’t be there on my wedding day. She won’t be there to meet her grandchildren. I want to tell the gunman who took her from me: You may have been full of hate, but my mother was full of love. She was an American. And this was not our American dream.... Senators, I came here today to ask the government to give my mother the dignity of being a statistic. The FBI does not track hate crimes against Sikhs. My mother and those shot that day will not even count on a federal form. We cannot solve a problem we refuse to recognise. Senators, I also ask that the government pursue domestic terrorism with the same vigor as attackers from abroad. The man who killed my mother was on the watch list of public interest groups. I believe the government could have tracked him long before he went on a shooting spree. Finally, Senators, I ask that you stand up for us. As lawmakers and leaders, you have the power to shape public opinion. Your words carry weight. When others scapegoat or demean people because of who they are, use your power to say that is wrong. So many have asked Sikhs to simply blame Muslims for attacks against our community or just say, “We are not Muslim”. But, we won’t blame anyone else. An attack on one of us is an attack on all of us. I also want to be a part of the solution. That’s why I want to be a law enforcement officer like Lieutenant Brian Murphy who saved so many lives on August 5, 2012. I want to protect other people from what happened to my mother. I want to combat hate - not just against Sikhs, but against all people. Senators, I know what happened at Oak Creek was not an isolated incident. I fear it may happen again if we don’t stand up and do something. I don’t want anyone to suffer what we have suffered. I want to build a world where all people can live, work and worship in America in peace. Because you see, despite everything, I still believe in the American dream. In my mother’s memory, I ask that you stand up for it with me, today, and in the days to come...”
  2. 6 points
    Sikh mps, minister, army, police officers, paramedics, executives, ceo's, scholars, teachers, nurses, accountants, doctors working aboard with kirpan should respond to this twat and put him in his place. He obviously think wearing kirpan is medieval practice..its obviously isn't..who cares what this twat thinks? He already pay his allegiance to british umpire/comrades by changing his outlook to posh victorian ferengi and his letter speaks volumes....give him bible and show him the door. We don't need sell out tattus here in the panth who lacks juice in the balls to stand up for freedom of religion..!! I am born in punjabi family but sad to say this- punjabis with punjabiyaat are one un-grateful insecure fuddus with inferiority complex i have ever met in my life..!!!...atleast we should learn from 3ho gorreh sikhs who take great pride wearing their bana/dastar/kirpan while we look for excuses hiding behind inferiority complex..!!
  3. 5 points
    Spot on. Many, many so-called moderate (their definition of 'modern' being non-keshdhari, non-adherence to Gurmat, etc) Sikhs share these opinions. They are growing in number. EDIT: BTW I'm not knocking non-keshdharis who do respect and love Sikhi. But you guys know what I'm talking about; these sorts who find Sikhi to be an antiquaited, out-dated hindrance in their wonderfully modern lives, lol.
  4. 4 points
    Such 'sikhs' are ones who consider Sikhi as a ethnic group rather than a spiritual path. From the pictures it's obvious they are all a bunch of uncle toms. I bet half of their children have probably married non Sikhs. They have absolutely no Sikhi left left inside of them, yet have the audacity to think they represent the Sikhs. Members of this so called Sikh organization are a living contradiction.
  5. 4 points
    I remember hearing in katha that when Indira Gandhi came to the darbar most of the sangat stood up. Sant jee was doing katha at that time and said, (I'm paraphrasing) "Khalsa jee, you are sitting in presence of kings of kings and yet when this lady worth 2 pennies came in you stood up!" Now that's what called being nirhbau (fearless). Dhan guru payarey! I want to hear him say it as well, hopefully there is a recording out there.
  6. 3 points
  7. 2 points
    Dr Rami Rangar is also on the Committee for the Hindu Forum of Britain. Perhaps that's where the confusion lies, he's not sure what he should follow!! http://www.hinduforu...x?sID=834&lID=0
  8. 2 points
    Sorry Ji, the Ik Oankar was quite obvious, i thought you were talking about something more discreet
  9. 1 point
    A man strapped explosives to his body and ended not only his own life but also the chief minister of Panjab, Beanta in 1995. This human bomb was called Dilavar Singh, at the time a serving officer in Panjab Police. Can we celebrate such an action? Is this not the type of terrorism that the western world is trying to exterminate? Or is there something much deeper and profound in what Dilavar Singh done? For the Sikh community, he has been honoured as the 'Pride of a Nation', for India he represents the complete opposite. Watch to make up your own mind... SUBSCRIBE to our YouTube channel CONTACT us on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/RajoanaTV FOLLOW on twitter @RajoanaTV https://twitter.com/#!/RajoanaTV SHARE via facebook / twitter / whatsapp / sms / email to all your contacts - Let's keep the momentum going!
  10. 1 point
    Why is there a controversy in the Panth over eating meat? The Panthic Sikh Rehit Maryada (Sikh Code of Conduct) makes it clear that the four Bajjar Kurehits (cardinal prohibitions) for a Sikh, which result in apostasy from the Sikh faith: ੧) ਕੇਸਾਂ ਦੀ ਬੇ-ਅਦਬੀ । ੨) ਕੁੱਠਾ ਖਾਣਾ । ੩) ਪਰ-ਇਸਤ੍ਰੀ ਜਾਂ ਪਰ-ਪੁਰਸ਼ ਦਾ ਗਮਨ (ਭੋਗਣਾ) । ੪) ਤਮਾਕੂ ਦਾ ਵਰਤਣਾ । The four transgressions, which must be avoided are (1) Dishonouring the hair, (2) Eating Kuttha, (3) Intimate relationship with a person other than one’s spouse, and 4) Using tobacco (i.e. intoxicants). The question is, what is Kuttha? While Sikh scholars have defined Kuttha in modern times to mean “meat slaughtered in the Muslim way” or “Halaal meat”, the other interpretation is “slaughtered animal†or “killed animal†(viz. meat). As a result of this difference in interpretation, some Sikhs understand the word “Kuttha†to mean Halaal meat as opposed to meat in general. In the early 1990s when the SGPC was searching for the consensus to form the Panthic Sikh Rehat Maryada, the majority of the Panth (unlike today) ate meat or believed eating meat was acceptable, however this knowledge was not based on deep Gurbani study as most people were illiterate. There were strict vegetarians at the time, the majority being the Sikh saints, however they too did not force their view upon the masses or the Panthic scholars because eating flesh was socially accepted. The SGPC added a footnote to the word “Kutthaa” to state it meant meat slaughtered in accordance to the Muslim tradition. Many prominent Sikhs did not sign the drafted Maryada, even though they had participated widely in various deliberations. The absence of appropriate dietary recommendations in the Maryada was one of the main reasons. Also, as noted by some Sikh scholars, proper records of Sikh history, meanings of Gurbani, influence of social circumstances and role of other religious forces were not properly understood in the late 1800s and early 1900s. In the past 60 years the common Sangat’s knowledge of Gurbani and Gurmat has increased with a wider access to understanding Gurmat through books, TV, radio, Internet, kathaa and santheyaa given at Gurdwaras. Now the majority of the Panth believes eating any type of meat is unacceptable, if the same discussions were held in regards to the Maryada then it would be certainly changed to as it should be. USING GURBANI TO ADDRESS MEAT-EATERS POINTS SRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI CLEARLY PROHIBITING EATING MEAT Those who eat meat are not labelled as ‘Sikhs’ or ‘Gurmukhs’ in Gurbani, rather they are called labelled deceitful: ਕਾਹੇ ਕਉ ਕੀਜੈ ਧਿਆਨੁ ਜਪੰਨਾ || ਜਬ ਤੇ ਸੁਧੁ ਨਾਹੀ ਮਨੁ ਅਪਨਾ ||੧|| ਰਹਾਉ || ਸਿੰਘਚ ਭੋਜਨੁ ਜੋ ਨਰੁ ਜਾਨੈ || ਐਸੇ ਹੀ ਠਗਦੇਉ ਬਖਾਨੈ ||੨|| “Why do you practice meditation and chanting, when your mind is not pure? ||1||Pause and reflect|| The human who considers a lion’s food (i.e. meat) as their food, know such a person to be a god of thieves (‘thugg’). ||2||” (Ang 485) The fundamental principle of Gurmat (the Guru’s teaching) is: ਦੂਖੁ ਨ ਦੇਈ ਕਿਸੈ ਜੀਅ ਪਤਿ ਸਿਉ ਘਰਿ ਜਾਵਉ ॥ “Do not cause suffering to any living beings, and you shall go to your true home with honor.” (Ang 322) Gurbani clearly states: ਕਬੀਰ ਭਾਂਗ ਮਾਛੁਲੀ ਸੁਰਾ ਪਾਨਿ ਜੋ ਜੋ ਪ੍ਰਾਨੀ ਖਾਂਹਿ ॥ ਤੀਰਥ ਬਰਤ ਨੇਮ ਕੀਏ ਤੇ ਸਭੈ ਰਸਾਤਲਿ ਜਾਂਹਿ ॥੨੩੩॥ Kabīr bẖāʼng mācẖẖulī surā pān jo jo prānī kẖāʼnhi. Ŧirath baraṯ nėm kī ė ṯė sabẖai rasāṯal jāʼnhi. ||233|| Literal Translation: “O Kabeer! Those mortals who consume marijuana, fish and wine – no matter what pilgrimages, fasts and rituals they follow, they will all go to hell. ||233||” (SGGS – Ang 1377) Meaning of words: Note:Through the Revealed Word of God, Bhagat Kabir Ji explains to himself to instruct the world about the prohibitions in religious discipline (kurehits). It is false to believe that this salok (hymn) only prohibits the consumption of cannabis, fish and alcohol. One has to look beyond the surface level and dive deeper into Gurbani. Guru Ji cannot make a vast list of drugs, foods and wines that one is forbidden to eat or drink. This would be a waste of time. Instead Guru ji categorises drugs, meat/flesh/killed animals and wines/alcohol under three general categories which represent all products associated and in the same category. ਭਾਂਗ — (bẖāʼng) = marijuana, cannabis | The category of ‘cannabis’ or ‘bhung’ includes opium, heroine, tobacco, and all drugs whether inhaled, eaten, smoked or injected through needles. ਮਾਛੁਲੀ (mācẖẖulī) = fish | The category of ‘fish’ includes all killed animals whether sea or land animals and allied products like egg, i.e. all meat and flesh. ਸੁਰਾ (surā) = liquor, alcohol | ਪਾਨਿ (pān) = one who drinks | The category of alcohol or wine includes all types of alcohol whether beer, whisky, rum, brandy, or any type of wine etc. ਜੋ ਜੋ ਪ੍ਰਾਨੀ (jo jo prānī kẖāʼnhi) = whosoever, everyone | ਖਾਂਹਿ (kẖāʼnhi) = eat, consume | Gurbani is not prohibiting drugs, meat and alcohol to only Sikhs. It is clear that Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is addressing everyone, i.e. Muslims, Hindus, Christians, Sikhs and the whole world. ਤੀਰਥ (Ŧirath) = pilgrimages | Guru Ji is addressing everyone and not only Sikhs. For Hindus, pilgrimage is bathing at the sixty-eight sacred places revered across India. For Muslims, pilgrimage is going on Hajj, i.e. visiting Mecca. For Christians, pilgrimage is visiting Bethlehem and Jerusalem. For Sikhs, pilgrimage in a physical sense is visiting Sri Harimandir Sahib (also known as the ‘Golden Temple’) in Amritsar as well as other historical Gurdwaras in India and Pakistan, but in a spiritual sense pilgrimage means travelling from your mind to one’s soul through bathing and immersing oneself in Naam. ਬਰਤ (baraṯ) = fast | Hindus keep fasts on certain days related to their deities as an act of penance. Muslims observe ‘Roza’ or a fast during the month of Ramadan. Christians keep a fast or give up certain foods during ‘Lent’ (before Easter). Sikhs observe the permanent fast of not telling lies, not cheating anyone else or stealing the wealth of others. ਨੇਮ (nėm) = (religious) routine, practice | ਕੀਏ (kī ė) = perform, follow | Hindus perform daily rituals (puja) and chant devotional prayers as part of their daily routine. Muslims perform five prayers (namaaz) as part of their daily routine. Christians say the Lord’s prayer as part of their daily routine. Sikhs wake up Amrit-vela (the early ambrosial hours) and repeat and meditate upon Naam (the Divine-Name) followed by reciting the five prayers of the morning, and reciting Rehraas Sahib in the evening and Sohila Sahib before bed. ਤੇ ਸਭੈ (ṯė sabẖai) = they will all | Again, Guru Ji talks about everyone. There are no exceptions. ਰਸਾਤਲ ਜਾਂਹਿ (rasāṯal jāʼnhi) = become useless, there is not an iota of benefit, go to hell. |233| Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, the Pefect True Guru, the Complete Truth, the Word of God, the Universal Truth, instructs us that if anyone (irrespective of faith or background) consumes drugs or intoxicants, eats any fish or meat, or drinks any wine or alcohol then all their pilgrimages, fasts and religious practices and prayers lose their value and become worth nothing. That person becomes worthy of hell and reaps no benefit from his religious commitments and efforts. This salokh on ang (page) 1377 is crystal clear that a Sikh is prohibited from eating meat or any flesh. Anyone who accepts and has full faith in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji as their Satguru will not doubt Gurbani. With one Hukam from Gurbani a Sikh accepts and obeys. On the other hand, a Manmukh would continue to ask for further proof or evidence and remain unsatisfied and unwilling to submit to the instructions of Satguru. WHAT IS HALAAL MEAT? Halaal meat is meat obtained by the Muslim method of slaying an animal. This method of slaughtering animals consists of a swift, deep incision with a sharp knife on the neck, cutting the jugular vein and carotid arteries of both sides but leaving the spinal cord intact, while reciting religious prayers. Muslims claim that this is the most humane method of animal slaughter. WHAT IS JHATKA MEAT? The concept of “Jhatka” as it is known today is a Hindu one borrowed from the Rajputs who still do it today and have done it for ages before the Sikhs. Proponents of this practice explain this concept as a “Singh” cutting the head of a goat with one blow while shouting a Jaikara (the cry of “Sat Sri Akaal” (God is True). But in Gurbani we are faced with the question: ਜੀਅ ਬਧਹੁ ਸੁ ਧਰਮੁ ਕਰਿ ਥਾਪਹੁ ਅਧਰਮੁ ਕਹਹੁ ਕਤ ਭਾਈ ॥ ਆਪਸ ਕਉ ਮੁਨਿਵਰ ਕਰਿ ਥਾਪਹੁ ਕਾ ਕਉ ਕਹਹੁ ਕਸਾਈ ॥2॥ “You kill living beings, and call it a righteous action. Tell me, brother, what would you call an unrighteous action? If you religious people are doing “religious” killing for meat, then what is A-dharam (atheism)? If you are a religious person then whom will we call a butcher? ||2||” (Ang 1103) ਕਬੀਰ ਜੋਰੀ ਕੀਏ ਜੁਲਮੁ ਹੈ ਕਹਤਾ ਨਾਉ ਹਲਾਲੁ ॥ ਦਫਤਰਿ ਲੇਖਾ ਮਾਂਗੀਐ ਤਬ ਹੋਇਗੋ ਕਉਨੁ ਹਵਾਲੁ ॥੧੮੭॥ ਕਬੀਰ ਖੂਬੁ ਖਾਨਾ ਖੀਚਰੀ ਜਾ ਮਹਿ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਲੋਨੁ ॥ ਹੇਰਾ ਰੋਟੀ ਕਾਰਨੇ ਗਲਾ ਕਟਾਵੈ ਕਉਨੁ ॥੧੮੮॥ “O Kabeer! (Tell the Mullah,) to use force is tyranny, (you grab animals and saying God’s Name you kill them) you you call this legal. (But committing this sin, have you ever thought) when your account is called for in the Court of the Lord, what will your condition be then? ||187|| O Kabeer! (Despite the Mullah eating meat, believing he is within God’s Law) eating the dinner of beans and rice is excellent, in which there is only salt. Who would cut his throat (in paying for the sin) to have meat with his bread? ||188|| (Ang 1374) Someone could argue that Guru Sahib is addressing the Muslims and in the other cases the Hindus when giving teachings of not to kill animals for food. However, Gurbani is clear: ਪਰਥਾਇ ਸਾਖੀ ਮਹਾ ਪੁਰਖ ਬੋਲਦੇ ਸਾਝੀ ਸਗਲ ਜਹਾਨੈ ॥ “Great holy men speak the teachings by relating them to individual situations, but the whole world shares in them.” (Ang 647) HALAAL MEAT AS A TABOO Some Sikhs who choose to eat meat argue that one of the Bajjar Kurehits (cardinal prohibitions) is to eat Halaal meat as opposed to eat meat in general. The primary reason for this is that Halaal meat is considered a cruel way to kill an animal due to the length of time it takes for the animal to die. Sikhs generally hold the view that the Halaal method of slaughter is indeed cruel. Other groups such as the ‘The Farm Animal Welfare Council’ (FAWC), which advises the UK government on how to avoid cruelty to livestock, hold the same view and say that the way Kosher and Halaal meat is produced, causes severe suffering to animals. In addition, the Humanists movement, which has previously called for the abolition of ritual slaughter, says ethical values should be put above religious ones. Sikhs do believe it is good practice for society to move away from this type of ritual slaughter of an animal. But below is presented evidence from Sikh scriptures and edicts from the Gurus that encourage and promote a lacto-vegetarian diet as the best for a human being. INTERPRETATION OF THE WORD “KUTTHAA” In Dictionary of Guru Granth Sahib by Surinder Singh Kohli on page 205 is the following entry: Kutha: (ਕੁਠਾ) adj (from Punjabi Kohana) Slaughtered. From Punjabi-English English-Punjabi Dictionary by Krishan Kumar Goswani Page 91 Kohnaa ( ਕੋਹਣਾ ) v To torture, to slay, to kill 1. The word ਕੁਠਾਰੁ “Kuthaar” a) SGGS page 693: ਬਜਰ ਕੁਠਾਰੁ ਮੋਹਿ ਹੈ ਛੀਨਾਂ ਕਰਿ ਮਿੰਨਤਿ ਲਗਿ ਪਾਵਉ ॥ bajar kuthaar mohi hai chheenaaN kar minat lag paava-o. “I fell at the Guru`s feet and begged of Him; with the mighty axe, I have chopped off emotional attachment.” Here word “Kuthaar” appears to mean “Axe” b) SGGS page 714 ਕਾਢਿ ਕੁਠਾਰੁ ਪਿਤ ਬਾਤ ਹੰਤਾ ਅਉਖਧੁ ਹਰਿ ਕੋ ਨਾਉ ॥1॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ kaadh kuthaar pit baat hantaa a-ukhaDh har ko naa-o. ||1|| rahaa-o.|| “The Name of the Lord is the medicine; it is like an axe, which destroys the diseases caused by anger and egotism. ||1||Pause||” Again the word “Kuthaar” appears to mean “Axe” 2. The word ਕੁਠਾਰਿ “kuthaar” SGGS Page 1225 Full Shabad ਹਰਿ ਕਾਟੀ ਕੁਟਿਲਤਾ ਕੁਠਾਰਿ ॥ har kaatee kutiltaa kuthaar. The Lord has cut down the crooked tree of my deceit. 3. The Word ਕੁਠੇ ॥ “kuthay” SGGS Page 1019 Full Shabad ਅਜਰਾਈਲਿ ਫੜੇ ਫੜਿ ਕੁਠੇ ॥ ajraa-eel farhay farh kuthay. “Azraa-eel, the Angel of Death, seizes and tortures them.” The word “Kuttha” (ਕੁਠਾ) appears in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji a number of times. Kuttha can have two meanings: either to butcher, kill or destroy or alternatively, it can mean meat (the product of killing, butchering, destroying). The root of “Kuttha” is “Kutthaar” or axe. A word that operates like “Kuttha” is “muthha” which refers to the act of looting and also the product of looting i.e. “the loot”. In this way, Kuttha can mean, “to butcher/ kill/ destroy” and also refers to the product i.e. “butchered meat”. It cannot by any means refer to Halal meat or Muslim meat. Everyday we kill countless organisms just through breathing or stepping, but that is much different than Kuttha. Kuttha is the meat of an animal that has been ‘butchered’ and then ‘intentionally’ eaten. SOME HISTORICAL SOURCES If we look at the lives of the Gurus we should try to emulate as much of them as possible because we regard their lives as ideal living, then this should be part of it. Dr. Ganda Singh, a 20th century famous Sikh historian, collected historical edicts and commands written by the Guru Sahibs and published them in his book “Hukamnamas”. The Hukamnama clearly states: ਮਾਸ ਮਛੀ ਦੇ ਨੇੜੇ ਨਹੀਂ ਆਵਣਾ | “Do not come near (i.e. consume) meat and fish.” (Hukamnama of 6th Guru found at Sri Harimandir Sahib, Patna Sahib) The last line clearly says not to go near meat or fish. This can’t be just a hoax because all Hukamnamas collected issued from the bear this order. The reason for issuing such an edit proves that historically some followers of the Sikh religion have hunted for eating meat and consumed flesh. But this was not in accordance to Sikh teachings and therefore, to clear the doubts of the Sikhs. The Guru and his Sikhs hunted to defend villages and people from dangerous animals and also to give selected animals salvation who had previously been Sikhs of the Guru or had dealings with them when they were in the human life. Unfortunately, some Sikhs misunderstood this and began to hunt for killing animals for food. As a result of this Guru Hargobind Ji issued the edict above. Mohsin Fani (1615-70), the well known historian and a contemporary of Sri Guru Hargobind Sahib, rites in his work DABISTAN-E-MAZAHIB as follows: “Having prohibited his disciples to drink wine and eat pork, he (Nanak) himself abstained from eating flesh and ordered not to hurt any living being. After him this precept was neglected by his followers; but Arjun Mal, one of the substitutes of his Faith, renewed the prohibition to eat flesh and said: This has not been approved by Nanak.” The philosophical poetry (Vaars) of Bhai Gurdaas Ji, the nephew of the third Guru and close associate of the subsequent Gurus, is given the utmost respect in the Sikh religion. Bhai Gurdaas Ji poetically describes the killing of a goat for it’s meat, and explains to Sikhs the consequences of eating meat through the eyes of the Goat being killed: ਅਕ ਧਤੂਰਾ ਖਾਧਿਆਂ ਕੁਹਿ ਕੁਹਿ ਖਲ ਉਖਲਿ ਵਿਣਸੀ ॥ ਮਾਸੁ ਖਾਨਿ ਗਲ ਵਢਿ ਕੈ ਹਾਲੁ ਤਿਨਾੜਾ ਕਉਣੁ ਹੋਵਸੀ ॥ “I was eating ‘Ak’ and ‘Dhatura’ plants (weed plants found in India) for whole of my life, to which no body else liked to eat. And even then I am being brutally killed and my skin being ripped, What will happen to those who cut my throat and eat my meat? (Vaar 25, Pauri 7) Elsewhere, Bhai Gurdaas Ji says: ਕੁਹੈ ਕਸਾਈ ਬਕਰੀ ਲਾਇ ਲੂਣ ਸੀਖ ਮਾਸੁ ਪਰੋਆ ॥ ਹਸਿ ਹਸਿ ਬੋਲੇ ਕੁਹੀਂਦੀ ਖਾਧੇ ਅਕਿ ਹਾਲੁ ਇਹੁ ਹੋਆ॥ ਮਾਸ ਖਾਨਿ ਗਿਲ ਛੁਰੀ ਦੇ ਹਾਲੁ ਤਿਨਾੜਾ ਕਉਣੁ ਅਲੋਆ ॥ “Goat is being killed, cut into pieces, and salt being spread on the pieces. While being killed goat says this all happened to me while I was just eating ‘Ak’ plant (weed found in India’s desert fields). What will be the fate of those in the Court of the Lord who cut my throat with a knife and eat my meat?” (Vaar 37, Pauri 21) The Tenth Nanak, Guru Gobind Singh Ji’s “UPDESH” to Bhai Daya Singh ji which is mentioned in “SUDHARAM MARAG GRANTH” : “One who does not steal, commit adultery, slander anyone, gamble, eat meat or drink wine will be liberated in this very life (i.e. Jeewan Mukt)”. REASONS BEHIND NOT EATING MEAT In the true sense neither meat or vegetables are condemnable or sinful in itself. Actually the commendable is the tyranny, violence and evil means adopted in the act of obtaining the meat, driven by one’s lustful palate and is, thus, a sinful act. Even vegetarian food obtained through foul means of bribery, extortion and exploitation is deplorable: ਹਕੁ ਪਰਾਇਆ ਨਾਨਕਾ ਉਸੁ ਸੂਅਰ ਉਸੁ ਗਾਇ || “(Nanak) Grabbing the rightful share of others is like (a Muslim) eating pork and eating beef (for a Hindu).” (Ang 141) At Malik Bhago’s feast, Guru Nanak Dev Ji refused to eat any of the food because it was prepared through wealth snatched from the poor by force. When one kills the living beings for obtaining meat, the blood virtually flows out and the use of tyranny and oppression is obvious. Such an action is considered sinful according to Gurbani: ਅਸੰਖ ਗਲਵਢ ਹਤਿਆ ਕਮਾਹਿ || ਅਸੰਖ ਪਾਪੀ ਪਾਪੁ ਕਰਿ ਜਾਹਿ || “Countless people are the cut-throats who commit murders. Numberless are the sinners, who go on committing this particular sin.” (Ang 4) Simply by avoiding meat as food no one can become holy person. One can become a religious person only by leading a pious life and simply by practising the rituals or by renouncing certain foods. Religion is far more deep and is about leading towards union with Vaheguru through Naam. ਸਰਬ ਧਰਮ ਮਹਿ ਸ੍ਰੇਸਟ ਧਰਮੁ || ਹਰਿ ਕੋ ਨਾਮੁ ਜਪਿ ਨਿਰਮਲ ਕਰਮੁ || “Of all religions, the best religion is to chant the Name of the Lord and maintain pure conduct.” (Ang 266) Another reason linked to why a Sikh doesn’t eat meat is compassion. Mercy evaporates when we butcher and eat meat. A carrot may have life but it will never run away screaming when you go to the garden to get it. Guru Sahib is clear in Gurbani that life must sustain itself on life. There is no lack of mercy or daya (mercy) exercised when cutting a vegetable as it does not reacts to being cut. Contrast that with animals. These animals beg and cry and little calves cling to their mothers in terror when they sense they will be slaughtered. Gurbani says: ਅਠਸਠਿ ਤੀਰਥ ਸਗਲ ਪੁੰਨ ਜੀਅ ਦਇਆ ਪਰਵਾਨੁ ॥ “Rather than bathing at the sixty-eight sacred shrines of pilgrimage and the giving of charity – the most meritorious act that will be accepted by the Lord is showing compassion to all beings.” (Ang 136) ਦੂਖੁ ਨ ਦੇਈ ਕਿਸੈ ਜੀਅ ਪਤਿ ਸਿਉ ਘਰਿ ਜਾਵਉ ॥ “Do not cause any being to suffer, and you shall go to your true home with honor.” (Ang 322) ਜੇ ਰਤੁ ਲਗੈ ਕਪੜੈ ਜਾਮਾ ਹੋਇ ਪਲੀਤੁ ॥ ਜੋ ਰਤੁ ਪੀਵਹਿ ਮਾਣਸਾ ਤਿਨ ਕਿਉ ਨਿਰਮਲੁ ਚੀਤੁ ॥ ਨਾਨਕ ਨਾਉ ਖੁਦਾਇ ਕਾ ਦਿਲਿ ਹਛੈ ਮੁਖਿ ਲੇਹੁ ॥ ਅਵਰਿ ਦਿਵਾਜੇ ਦੁਨੀ ਕੇ ਝੂਠੇ ਅਮਲ ਕਰੇਹੁ ॥੧॥ “If one’s clothes are stained with blood, the garment becomes polluted. Those who drink the blood of others – how can those people’s consciousness be pure?” (Ang 140) Guru Nanak Dev Ji simply tells us that if blood stains our clothes are clothes become dirty and polluted, and the mind’s of the people who drink blood also becomes dirty. Therefore, blood is considered as unpleasant thing to drink. Blood can be obtained be killing any living being – whether man or animal through butchery, torture or slaughter. Guru Ji tells us that a cold-hearted person cannot maintain a pure mind, only a compassionate person can have a pure mind. Plants have no nervous system. Plants are a life form that can’t feel pain. Animals are not as such. The word “gardener” has no pejorative connotation. The word “butcher” on the other hand stands for someone who has no mercy. If one’s heart doesn’t melt at seeing the shrieks and anguish of animals, why would it matter when a human does the same? Why is it Muslims can do Halaal on humans? It’s because they have so much experience with animals that the jerking, gasping of dying animals and blood is something usual for them. A butcher will have the heart of a butcher. A butcher can never be a ‘Dharmee’ (spiritually pious) person. ਬੇਦ ਕਤੇਬ ਕਹਹੁ ਮਤ ਝੂਠੇ ਝੂਠਾ ਜੋ ਨ ਬਿਚਾਰੈ ॥ ਜਉ ਸਭ ਮਹਿ ਏਕੁ ਖੁਦਾਇ ਕਹਤ ਹਉ ਤਉ ਕਿਉ ਮੁਰਗੀ ਮਾਰੈ ॥੧॥ ਮੁਲਾਂ ਕਹਹੁ ਨਿਆਉ ਖੁਦਾਈ ॥ ਤੇਰੇ ਮਨ ਕਾ ਭਰਮੁ ਨ ਜਾਈ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ “Call the religious ways of the Vedas and Semitic Books (Torah, Bible, Quran etc.) false, and one who does not realize this is also false. (O dear Mullah!) If you say that the One Lord is in all, so why do you kill chickens (as a sacrifice before that Lord)? (Does He not pervade in the chicken? What is the meaning of killing the creation of the Lord and presenting it before Him?) ||1|| O Mullah! Tell me: is this God’s Justice? The doubts of your mind have not been dispelled. ||1||Pause||” (Ang 1350) FURTHER QUOTATIONS FROM GURBANI ਜਉ ਸਭ ਮਹਿ ਏਕੁ ਖੁਦਾਇ ਕਹਤ ਹਉ ਤਉ ਕਿਉ ਮੁਰਗੀ ਮਾਰੈ ॥੧॥ “(O Mullah!) If in all is the one God, then why kill a chicken?” (SGGS – Ang 1350) ਸਰਜੀਉ ਕਾਟਹਿ ਨਿਰਜੀਉ ਪੂਜਹਿ ਅੰਤ ਕਾਲ ਕਉ ਭਾਰੀ ॥ “You kill living beings and worship lifeless things, at your very last moment you will suffer terrible pain.” (SGGS – Ang 332) ਕਬੀਰ ਖੂਬੁ ਖਾਨਾ ਖੀਚਰੀ ਜਾ ਮਹਿ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਲੋਨੁ ॥ ਹੇਰਾ ਰੋਟੀ ਕਾਰਨੇ ਗਲਾ ਕਟਾਵੈ ਕਉਨੁ ॥੧੮੮॥ “O Kabeer! Blessed is the simple food of rice mixed with salt; who would risk his head to be slain hereafter, for the meat one eats here?” (SGGS – Ang 1374) ਕਬੀਰ ਜੋਰੀ ਕੀਏ ਜੁਲਮੁ ਹੈ ਕਹਤਾ ਨਾਉ ਹਲਾਲੁ ॥ ਦਫਤਰਿ ਲੇਖਾ ਮਾਂਗੀਐ ਤਬ ਹੋਇਗੋ ਕਉਨੁ ਹਵਾਲੁ ॥੧੮੭॥ “O Kabeer! Those that use force and kill and call it lawful (halaal), after going to the Court of God, what will be their state? ||187|| (SGGS – Ang 1374) ਕਬੀਰ ਜੋਰੁ ਕੀਆ ਸੋ ਜੁਲਮੁ ਹੈ ਲੇਇ ਜਬਾਬੁ ਖੁਦਾਇ ॥ ਦਫਤਰਿ ਲੇਖਾ ਨੀਕਸੈ ਮਾਰ ਮੁਹੈ ਮੁਹਿ ਖਾਇ ॥੨੦੦॥ “O Kabeer! It is tyranny to use force and kill; the Lord shall call you to account. When your account is called for, your face and mouth shall be beaten. ||200||” (SGGS – Ang 1375) ਕਬੀਰ ਖੂਬੁ ਖਾਨਾ ਖੀਚਰੀ ਜਾ ਮਹਿ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਲੋਨੁ ॥ ਹੇਰਾ ਰੋਟੀ ਕਾਰਨੇ ਗਲਾ ਕਟਾਵੈ ਕਉਨੁ ॥੧੮੮॥ “O Kabeer! (Despite the Mullah justifies eating meat with the excuse of sacrificing it to God,) the dinner of beans and rice is excellent, if it is (just) flavoured with salt. I am not ready to have my own throat cut to have meat with my bread? ||188||” (SGGS – Ang 1374) ਦੂਖੁ ਨ ਦੇਈ ਕਿਸੈ ਜੀਅ ਪਤਿ ਸਿਉ ਘਰਿ ਜਾਵਉ ॥ “Do not cause any being to suffer, and you shall go to your true home with honor.” (SGGS – Ang 322) EATING MEAT AND HEALTH “Doctors say eating meat is healthy – you get vitamins and good things – so there are benefits in eating meat, like with anything its about how much you eat.” The health aspect we all know and there are lots of resources on the Internet on this issue. One site, which highlights the main risks of eating meat, is: http://www.healthandgoodness.com/nutritiondiet/health_risks_meat.html. Meat is disease-ridden and is a dirty thing to eat. Gurbani tells us: ਬਾਬਾ ਹੋਰੁ ਖਾਣਾ ਖੁਸੀ ਖੁਆਰੁ ॥ ਜਿਤੁ ਖਾਧੈ ਤਨੁ ਪੀੜੀਐ ਮਨ ਮਹਿ ਚਲਹਿ ਵਿਕਾਰ ॥1॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ “O Baba, the pleasures of other foods are false. Eating which, the body is ruined (i.e. are unhealthy), and wickedness and corruption enter into the mind. ||1||Pause||” (Ang 16) The vegetarian diet is known to be light on the digestive system and easy to digest. In modern times, medical practitioners and dieticians alike have emphasized the virtues of vegetarian diet. In the western world, vegetarian diet is increasingly becoming popular in recent years. www.cancerproject.org “The World Health Organization has determined that dietary factors account for at least 30 percent of all cancers in Western countries and up to 20 percent in developing countries. When cancer researchers started to search for links between diet and cancer, one of the most noticeable findings was that people who avoided meat were much less likely to develop the disease. Large studies in England and Germany showed that vegetarians were about 40 percent less likely to develop cancer compared to meat eaters.” ec.europa.eu: “The use of six growth hormones 17ß-oestradiol, progesterone, testosterone, zeranol, trenbolone and melengestrol acetate (MGA) for growth promotion in cattle pose a risk to the consumers, but with different levels of conclusive evidence. This is the main finding of the Scientific Committee for Veterinary Measures relating to Public Health which has unanimously adopted an opinion on potential risks to human health from hormone residues in meat and meat products. The adverse effects include developmental, neurobiological, genotoxic and carcinogenic effects.” DISTORTION OF GURBANI TO JUSTIFY EATING MEAT The only Shabad (sacred hymn) in the whole of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji that is specifically cited by meat eaters in support of eating meat is the Shabad of Guru Nanak Sahib Ji in the Vaar of Raag Malaar that revealed at Kurekshetra during a solar eclipse day, a day considered holy by the Brahmins (Hindus priests). It begins with the couplet: ਮਾਸੁ ਮਾਸੁ ਕਰਿ ਮੂਰਖੁ ਝਗੜੇ ਗਿਆਨੁ ਧਿਆਨੁ ਨਹੀ ਜਾਣੈ ॥ ਕਉਣੁ ਮਾਸੁ ਕਉਣੁ ਸਾਗੁ ਕਹਾਵੈ ਕਿਸੁ ਮਹਿ ਪਾਪ ਸਮਾਣੇ ॥ “Only the fool quarrels over the question of eating or not eating of the meat. He does not have the True Wisdom. Without True Wisdom or Meditation, he harps on which is flesh and which is not flesh and or Meditation, he harps on which is flesh and which is not flesh and which food is sinful and which is not.” (SGGS – Ang 1289-1290) The Guru is addressing a Vaishnav Pandit (scholar) who believes that he can achieve Nirvana (a state of liberation) only by avoiding meat as food and not trying to obtain the true wisdom through meditation. The Guru has stressed that only avoiding meat will not lead one to the achievement of Spiritual Bliss. Guru Sahib exposes the Pandit’s hypocrisy and double standards. The same hymn states that everything is flesh, which is inappropriately used to argue that eating meat is okay: ਪਹਿਲਾਂ ਮਾਸਹੁ ਨਿੰਮਿਆ ਮਾਸੈ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਵਾਸੁ ॥ ਜੀਉ ਪਾਇ ਮਾਸੁ ਮੁਹਿ ਮਿਲਿਆ ਹਡੁ ਚੰਮੁ ਤਨੁ ਮਾਸੁ ॥ ਮਾਸਹੁ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਕਢਿਆ ਮੰਮਾ ਮਾਸੁ ਗਿਰਾਸੁ ॥ ਮੁਹੁ ਮਾਸੈ ਕਾ ਜੀਭ ਮਾਸੈ ਕੀ ਮਾਸੈ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਸਾਸੁ ॥ ਵਡਾ ਹੋਆ ਵੀਆਹਿਆ ਘਰਿ ਲੈ ਆਇਆ ਮਾਸੁ ॥ ਮਾਸਹੁ ਹੀ ਮਾਸੁ ਊਪਜੈ ਮਾਸਹੁ ਸਭੋ ਸਾਕੁ ॥ ਸਤਿਗੁਰਿ ਮਿਲਿਐ ਹੁਕਮੁ ਬੁਝੀਐ ਤਾਂ ਕੋ ਆਵੈ ਰਾਸਿ ॥ ਆਪਿ ਛੁਟੇ ਨਹ ਛੂਟੀਐ ਨਾਨਕ ਬਚਨਿ ਬਿਣਾਸੁ ॥੧॥ “First, the mortal is conceived in the flesh, and then he dwells in the flesh. When he comes alive, his mouth takes flesh; his bones, skin and body are flesh. He comes out of the womb of flesh, and takes a mouthful of flesh at the breast. His mouth is flesh, his tongue is flesh; his breath is in the flesh. He grows up and is married, and brings his wife of flesh into his home. Flesh is produced from flesh; all relatives are made of flesh. When the mortal meets the True Guru, and realizes the Hukam of the Lord’s Command, then he comes to be reformed. Releasing himself, the mortal does not find release; O Nanak, through empty words, one is ruined. ||1||” (SGGS – Ang 1289) The fact is that a human’s own flesh is exactly like that of meat. Observing surgery or perusing internal medicine books, one notes that we are the same substance. That’s why Guru Nanak Sahib Ji has said not to hate meat. We are meat. But at the same time we cannot eat it because it would be like eating a dead body. It’s foul and unthinkable. Vegetarianism by itself cannot confer spiritual merit or lead to the door of salvation (mukti). Spiritual achievement depends on Saadhana or religious discipline. However, it has been observed that a vegetarian diet helps to keep a healthy body and a healthy body makes a healthy mind. To practice hypocrisy, enter futile arguments, harbour hate for others or believe salvation rests in mere rituals or practices other than meditating on Naam (the Name of the Lord) is condemned by the Guru. ਫੜੁ ਕਰਿ ਲੋਕਾਂ ਨੋ ਦਿਖਲਾਵਹਿ ਗਿਆਨੁ ਧਿਆਨੁ ਨਹੀ ਸੂਝੈ ॥ “They practice hypocrisy, and make a show before other people, but they do not understand anything about meditation or spiritual wisdom.” (Ang 1289) CONCLUSION The word ‘Kuttha’ used in the Sikh Code of Conduct does not refer to Halaal or sacrificial meat at all, but refers to meat and allied products as a whole. It means simply to slay or cut the animal irrelevant of the method of slaughter. The use of the word in the same sense at a number of places in Gurbani brings out this point beyond any shadow of a doubt. Accordingly, eating flesh in general (and not only Halaal) is totally prohibited for the Sikhs and is one of the four Bajjar Kurehits (cardinal prohibitions) in accordance to Gurmat (the Guru’s teachings).
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    Max Arthur did not lay the foundation of Singh Sabha, please read some history books. If Singh Sabha is protestant does that make the Sanatanists Catholics? Modern UK niddarists are trying to change what Hindus are by claiming that it is not a religion but a geographic term in order to blur the distinction of Sikhs from the Hindus. They are trying to say that Hindu is not really a religion but a geographical location (i.e. India) and since Sikhs are mostly from India then Sikhs are also Hindus. This type of logic is pure hogwash.. It simply does not make sense make sense if you put Sikh scriptures in the equation. In Gurbani we have famous Tukhs like Hindu anna, turku Kaana meaning the Hindu is blind since he does not beleive in Vaheguru, and the Mussalmaan(turk) is one eyed since he at least believes in God. So Hindu here is used to denote a religious community, not a geographic location since Sikhs were also in that same geographic location as Hindus. Further, in Gurbani Guru Jee says Na Hum Hindu, Na Mussalmaan (I am neither Hindu nor Muslim). Again, Hindu here implies a religious group as is Mussalmaan(Muslim). Listen to what Sant Bhindranwale has to say on this matter: Sant Jee was not education by Singh Sabha, he got all his understanding of Sikhi from Taksal from which even Nihangs study from. And since niddarists have an alergy to Singh Sabha, they at least cannot accuse Sant Jernail Singh Bhindranwale of being Singh Sabha influenced. Even the Nihangs in India are not in agreement with the niddarist interpretation. Even they say Sikh Panth is the teesr Panth(the 3rd and distinct Panth), implying that it is distinct from the other two Panths i.e. Islam and Hinduism.
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    I think sarbloh bani sums it all up ਕਰ ਝਟਕੈ ਬਕਰਨ ਕੋ ਖੱਯੋ । ਮੁਰਦੈ ਕੁੱਠੈ ਨਿਕਟ ਨ ਜੱਯੋ । ਕੇਸਨ ਕੀ ਕੀਜੋ ਪ੍ਰਤਿਪਾਲ । ਨਹਿ ਉਸਤ੍ਰਨ ਸੋ ਕਟਯੋ ਬਾਲ ॥੧੮॥ [satiguru instructed that] they should conduct 'Jhatka' of goats, but should not go near dead animals and Kutha [halal meat]. Take good care of your Kes [long hair], do not cut your hair with razors. Sri Sarbloh Granth Tika, Second Volume, page 495
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    Ohhhhhh! Mr. Rami Ranger!!!! Descendant of Mr. Massa Ranghar?!?!?!?! Helloooo sir, myself Mehtab Singh, remember that name???? Your Mr. Ranghar senior would never forget this name, is that why you have a problem with kirpan???? Really?!?!?!?!?! Ahhhh I thought so tooo!!!!
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    Gurfatehji Just stayed 10days + with them few weeks back. There absolutely fine!!!!!
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    My friend, Sikh Channel are present at Rangar's events. Have a look at the photo's and you'll see Jagit Singh Studio Manager as well as the camera crew. Ask Sikh Channel how they could support a Sikh Sanstha that promotes Manmat by allowing alcohol to be served under the Sikh banner. Let's see what they say....
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    Know yourself and leave others to themselves. One who knows himself knows God.
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    WAHEGURU !!!!!! UNLIKE OUR LEADERSHIP TODAY WHO ARE GHIDDAR (IF THEY CAN'T TAKE THE HEAT THEN THEY SHOULD GET OUT THE KITCHEN) !!!!!! The only Singh i can think of right now that would be that raw (if possible) would be Bhai Amrik Singh Ajnala...
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    seems to be signed by some addanshahi ( followers of bhai kanhaiya ji school of thaught , also called sewapanthis)will get back with full translation
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    for your information i NEVER EVER have sold a shastar in my 20 years of collecting , due to shortage of money for a seva project i had to sell quite afew to make up for the loss , even tho it was heartbreaking selling them .some shastar were sold for ALOT LESS than i bought them and some for more , they were sold on the price i think is fair on the shastar depends on how rare , value , matierals, costs , how vaartu the shashar is etc ,end of the day the money went to a better cause... p.s i dont even go to public diwans etc... nor do i ever wear any of my shastar , normally a small kamarkassa 1 hidden away nicely under a harzoori! but yeah to be real most of us are pkhand including me. but lets no stereotype everybody , i know some amazing jeevan wale singh who are some of the best shastar around... and still keep their bhagti with shakti. akaal.
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    it could have been one half of the famous desi kirtani sisters, Bina and Nina.
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    I can only talk from my own experience and descriptions in Gurbani: Method: Naam Simran and Amrit Vela Key: Love, compassion, Forgiveness, Trust, Selfless Service, A deep yearning to understand yourself and realise who/what god is. Method will only take us to the Tenth Door if we have planted the seeds with the Key. But in the end it is also i think your Love and Yearning that God senses in your heart that ignites the explorer in you, that gets you dedicated with your Naam Simran. God bless everyone on their journey.
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    http://www.osho.com/library/online-library-nanak-granth-master-12ef2c4c-8b5.aspx if it still doesn't work try using a different browser. he says that guru granth sahib ji is just a book, not alive. he just doesn't understand. basically he is saying a religion is dead once its masters leave, that you need a live master. which shows he is either unaware or unwilling to admit the existence of numerous pooran sants in our dharm. even if someone doesn't get the concept of guru granth sahib ji, someone from hindu background should at least understand the concept of a sant. i think he probably said what he said to make himself appear bigger.
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    like i said, he didn't get sikhi: http://www.osho.com/library/online-library-nanak-granth-master-12ef2c4c-8b5.aspx still some very enlightened veechars from him. great methods of explaining dharm to people.
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    why don't you keep a shastar near you? or keep bani near you. why are you scared? if you read/listen to bani nothing can go into your room.
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    3 things. 1) Chaupai Sahib. 2) Rakhia de Shabad. 3) Sohila Sahib & do Benti for Rakhia.
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    Kirtain Sohila before going to sleep, preferably whilst sitting in bed. Job done!
  28. 1 point
    I'll tell you a true personal story. When I was in third grade (give or take a year) I woke up and looked outside my window (my window and room is towards the street) and I saw flashing lights and heard sirens. I woke up in the morning and asked my mom on the way to class what had happened, but she nor my dad later told me. After some time they finally said what happened. It turned out that my neighbor's daughter had hung herself. My dad was on good terms with the family and the girl was a step daughter and I guess she had been bullied in the high school that I would come to attend as I went to 9th grade. Anyways, just like our neighbors, we were the first owners of the house and moved in right when they were built (some 20 years ago). They talked to my dad a little after this happened, but not too much and next we heard they were moving to another state because they couldn't take to live in the house where she commit suicide. After they moved in another gore family moved in, very nice and educated couple with one young baby and a golden retriever. They stayed for around two and a half years and were very nice to have as neighbors. After two and a half years, they suddenly moved away and another family came in, this time it was a guy who I kid you not I still think looks exactly like the police officer from heroes (I could be crazy but I think it was him lol or a twin brother). This guy and my dad didn't get along because he didn't take care of the trees or something like that. They stayed for a year or so and then moved to some town house and I still see him driving around today and still think he's the guy from heroes haha. Anyways they moved after a year or so and then another family came in, but they didn't live there, they bought the house and redid it and hoped that the prices would go up again because house prices fell quite a bit and they counted it to jump again, little did they know the plunge wasn't even close to being over. They were Italian or Armenian or something like that, but they moved away again after a year or so. We'd see them occasionally remodeling the place and then they sold it, but this time to a Hmong family moved in. This is a couple years ago from today. Anyways we hadn't really got introduced to them, but one day my dad was out in the yard and the new neighbor lady was in the yard as well and came up to my dad and they talked for a bit discussing general things you do when you meet someone new and a new neighbor. After they were almost done talking, the lady asked my dad weird question. She said, "Has anyone ever died in this house?". My dad at first instinctively just said no and then said, "Wait, actually some years ago the first owner's daughter had committed suicide". Upon hearing this, the lady kind of was set back and explained why she had asked. She said her son sees a woman in a white dress at night time and she talks to him. They said at first they didn't believe him, but after hearing that someone actually died in the house and it being a girl, it freaked them out. The lady said they weren't religious but they started to put crosses up and after this my dad never really talked to them. It was the first and only time to my knowledge. We'd notice at night time they always had relatives over and had their lights on. This went on for almost two years and now a new gore family are there who seem cool. Okay, now the point of typing this whole story is that my room is right next to the side where their house is lol and nothing has happened to me. If you're honest and you love our Gurus, you have nothing to worry about. Keep doing path and you don't even have to think about these things. Stick to nitnem and do it out of love bro! Nirbhau Nirvair


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