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Singh559 ji It is siva. Siva's literal meaning is Durga but here it is used as metaphor for Akal purakh. Guru sahib writes in beginning of Chandi charitra highlighting his belief in akal purakh by writing ਆਦਿ ਅਪਾਰ ਅਲੇਖ ਅਨੰਤ ਅਕਾਲ ਅਭੇਖ ਅਲਖ ਅਨਾਸਾ ॥ आदि अपार अलेख अनंत अकाल अभेख अलख अनासा ॥ The Lord is Primal, Infinite, Account less, Boundless, Deathless, Garbless, Incomprehensible and Eternal. ਕੈ ਸਿਵ ਸਕਤ ਦਏ ਸ੍ਰੁਤਿ ਚਾਰ ਰਜੋ ਤਮ ਸਤ ਤਿਹੂੰ ਪੁਰ ਬਾਸਾ ॥ कै सिव सकत दए स्रुति चार रजो तम सत तिहूं पुर बासा ॥ He created Shiva-Shakti, forur Vedas and three modes of maya and Pervades in three worlds. ਦਿਉਸ ਨਿਸਾ ਸਸਿ ਸੂਰ ਕੈ ਦੀਪਕ ਸ੍ਰਿਸਟਿ ਰਚੀ ਪੰਚ ਤਤ ਪ੍ਰਕਾਸਾ ॥ दिउस निसा ससि सूर कै दीपक स्रिसटि रची पंच तत प्रकासा ॥ He created day and night, the lamps of sun and moon and the whole world with five elements. ਬੈਰ ਬਢਾਇ ਲਰਾਇ ਸੁਰਾਸੁਰ ਆਪਹਿ ਦੇਖਤ ਬੈਠ ਤਮਾਸਾ ॥੧॥ बैर बढाइ लराइ सुरासुर आपहि देखत बैठ तमासा ॥१॥ He extended enmity and fight between the gods and demons and Himself seated (on His Throne) scans it.1. Chandi charitra Ukti bilas, Dasam Granth sahib Just as we get in SGGS ji as Gurmukh sang krishan murare SGGS There krishan is used as metaphor for akal purakh.In the same way siva is metaphor for akal purakh

I have heard of several brothers telling me they have been looked at in a insulting manner, and the odd silly person shouting out an obscenity whilst driving past (how brave), but nothing serious, yet. Walk tall, walk proud Sikhs, our masters have told us to defend righteousness. Your mere stride and confidence says a great deal about you and can ward off any potential attack.

To the original poster: Yes, you are right. It should be pronounced SIVA not SHIVA. :biggrin2:

ਦੇਹ ਸਿਵਾ ਬਰੁ ਮੋਹਿ ਇਹੈ ਸੁਭ ਕਰਮਨ ਤੇ ਕਬਹੂੰ ਨ ਟਰੋਂ ॥ ਨ ਡਰੋਂ ਅਰਿ ਸੋ ਜਬ ਜਾਇ ਲਰੋਂ ਨਿਸਚੈ ਕਰਿ ਅਪੁਨੀ ਜੀਤ ਕਰੋਂ ॥ ਅਰੁ ਸਿਖ ਹੋਂ ਆਪਨੇ ਹੀ ਮਨ ਕੌ ਇਹ ਲਾਲਚ ਹਉ ਗੁਨ ਤਉ ਉਚਰੋਂ ॥ ਜਬ ਆਵ ਕੀ ਅਉਧ ਨਿਦਾਨ ਬਨੈ ਅਤਿ ਹੀ ਰਨ ਮੈ ਤਬ ਜੂਝ ਮਰੋਂ ॥੨੩੧॥ [1] Translation: O Lord grant me the boon, that I may never deviate from doing a good deed. That I shall not fear when I go into combat. And with determination I will be victorious. That I may teach myself this greed alone, to learn only Thy praises. And when the last days of my life come, I may die in the might of the battlefield.||231|| -- Guru Gobind Singh

Absolutely, that what dasam bani is for - to create that bir ras. We also need to be training mma/boxing/wrestling/muay thai ......hard full contact martial arts that work.....EVERY Singh needs to be doing this.

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Why do all kirtanis and jathas pronounce "Deh Siva" as "Deh Shiva"? Can someone further explain the meaning of Siva? Is it a synonym for Shiva, if so isn't it still incorrect to pronounce it as shiva rather than siva?

Nehkewal Singh Nehkewal - free from desire and fear

First Name: Bibek Last name: Singh (means Lion, who fears no one) - Last name for sikh people - this is not pertaining to any one caste, better to use this one rather than going deep into other last names as they are based on different castes. Also your work would not be just for sikhs, but for much wider range of readers, so "Singh" would automatically recall them that this character is coming from a Sikh background. Bib- means duality Ek - means One To shun the duality / agitation of mind, by being steady and positive from inside and be with HIM or Bibek = intellect or wisdom of conscious principles & divine intelligence This name is unique, not many people share this name. Hope this helps. I''m pretty sure other memebers would provide you with more options to choose from. Good Luck and Thank You for choosing a Sikh character with so much of depth in it. Please do provide us with details once it's completed.

if you are not satisfied in the way he presents/talks then you do it.simples

No one is denying the role of individual Hindus in the atrocities of the 18th century. Some Hindus like Lakhpat Rai persecuted the Sikhs because they wanted personal revenge as well as in order to retain their position in the Muslim government. For Muslims it was a different matter. Just the proclamation of Jihad was enough to get thousands into the countryside to commit atrocities against the Sikhs, Trying to portray Muslims as the victims of 1947 shows just where your sympathies lie. Let me educate you on the Islamic mentality and a short history lesson. Muslims were the first aggressors and used violence as a political tool to achieve Pakistan. They attacked, murdered, raped, burnt and forcibly converted thousands of Sikhs and Hindus in the Rawalpindi area in March 1947. Their aim was to use the violence to silence the Sikh opposition to Pakistan. They waited for a backlash in East Punjab as they were well aware that Sikhs would not take the violence lying down. When no backlash came they were elated because they thought that years of economic success had made the Sikhs soft. They thought their aim to make the Sikh accept Pakistan would now be mush easier. This was the reason that they never seriously tried to make overtures to the Sikh leadership. Neither Jinnah not any other of the Muslim leaders expressed any express for what happened in the massacres. Prior to the Rawalpindi massacres, there had only ever been riots in the urban area in which mostly the same amount of Muslims, Hindus and Sikhs would be killed. The Rawalpindi massacres were the first attempt to wipe out the non-Muslims from the area that was slated to become Pakistan. The Sikhs were the ones that were particularly targeted because the Muslims believed that if they could use violence to close down the Sikh opposition then the Hindus would automatically accept Pakistan and the whole of Punjab would become a part of Pakistan. The Sikhs in the Rawalpindi area were caught unawares, from living a peaceful life, they were suddenly attacked and their lives and livelihoods wiped out. Whole villages were destroyed. At least when the Muslims were attacked in East Punjab after partition, they were aware that attacks were taking place and could prepare to defend themselves. But the Sikhs in March 1947 didn't have that luxury. When it comes to the fatalities suffered by the different communities it is generally assumed that the Muslims suffered the most. This is just an assumption and not scientific research has been done to back this up. UK Singh has shown that in as a percentage the Sikhs lost the most lives. If Sikhs suffered less deaths it was not because of some let up in the Anti-Sikh violence, it was because they Sikh leadership being aware that Pakistan would involve an exchange of populations and thus were able to make ready of that eventuality. Sikhs refugees were evacuated in an orderly way and their refugee caravans were the most organised. They had outriders to check out the route, armed guards for defence and ample supply of food. This was not the case with the Muslim refugee caravans. Even with this level of orderly evacuation, the Sikhs still suffered over 200,000 deaths which for a small community of 5 million was a disaster. Half of the Sikhs had become refugees and had to be settled on less land than they had left behind in West Punjab. The Muslims were the winners in the partition. From being tenants of the Sikhs they suddenly became the owners of the Sikh lands. From being small time businessmen they suddenly had their pick of all the large Hindu businesses in West Punjab.

paji its 52 hukams given by dhan dhan sri guru gobind singh ji in nanded sahib...

If our daastar wearing brothers and sisters are worried about racial physical attack then they should remember why they were given the kirpan (its the right to bear arms) because Guru Ji knew his Sikhs are vunerable to attacks from non-sikhs so they must be armed and have weapons to serve as a warning to potential assilatients that the lion is not toothless, and like a cobra if you come to harm you will get striked down. Therefore we must think, are we following Guru ji's implementation of not only just the right but also the mandetory order to bear arms? If you are not then you are leaving your dastaar ......your pagh vunerable to be knocked off and your kesh to be tampered with. So we come to the issue of living in a modern secular democratic society that frowns upon the use of weapons by citizens to defend themselves against some miscreants who want to harm you .... then you have to ask yourself why wearing the other 4 k's if you arent keeping and implementing all 5? And if you dont want to use a physical shaster to defend yourself then why are you not making use of the democractic peaceful shasters of pressure groups, networking with Sikh rough and ready street fighters, physically being combat ready fit and also writing letters to MPs, and police to ensure crimes against Sikhs are taken seriously just as Muslims and Jews have their own setup.

I walk in slow-motion with a dhol playing in the background. They understand I'm a pretty big deal. :giggle: @ Pehlvan Ji - The only way to get back that swagger and psyche you mentioned is to recite 10th Paatshah's bani --- I'm a firm believer! I find younger Singhs who hang around with females in a group get the most grief from passing idiots. The assumption is they're a bit soft, plus it brings them down in-front of their lady friends when it appears they can't stand up to any nonsense.

Good on you shera, when they get a strong response they start to 'understand'. This is what we need to do, but unfortunately most of us have lost our martial psyche/bearing.

Lolll, the truth isn't ninda. Did you even listen to Maskeen Jee's amazing Katha posted above? At least have some shame or humility.... Publicity will be the neeldharis downfall if they don't change their ways. Truth always comes out and prevails.

Cutting hair is bedbi...n trying to learn some ways to utter name of lord is divine... Kabir just use to write dohe.... He never read any holy book...... That does not mean he never uttered the lord's name I dont want to learn that...aaaaaaa wala kirtan..... I have many other ways to make it interesting.... If required will use guitar...even babag will feel good with some difference :D

na u have wrong definition of kachi pakki kachi that connects u to kachey bandey pakki thats connects u to pakka parmatama so anyting sung toward waheguru is pakki bani. anything that makes us forget waheguru and think about other things is kachi bani for eg. songs etc. there are 2 different styles of kirtan, in old times sant mahapurashs used to do dharna style kirtan which actually could be considered as katha of gurbani in kirtan form. When a kathavachak does katha of gurbani, he explains gurbani by adding his own words to simplify it more. same is dharna kirtan simplifying gurbani for preaching purposes and at the same time make sangat sing the virtues of waheguru. this kachi pakki bani is missionary agenda tomake people go against sant mahapurashs who did a lot of parchar back in the days. but here case is little bit different, this kirtania is doing proper maryada kirtan but adding those two lines just for the composition. and those two words are random from the shabad. you could repeat the words if they are in the same pankti but u cannot pick random words from different pankti. for eg. JITHE JAYE BAHE MERA SATGURU SO THAN SUHAVA RAM RAAJEY GURSIKHI SO THAAN BHALEYA LAI DHOOR MUKH LAWA .... DHOOR MUKH LAWA

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