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According to my understanding, Its actually not neccesary at all to learn intellectually- personal part of ardas in gursikhi bhagti marg because personal ardas is not meant to be learned intellectually or conceptually, or even turned into repetive ritual but personal ardas of a bhagat is rather done with similiar perception of innocent children calling out for mommy or daddy for help and get help in return from everyone because when child calls out for help it comes from inner heart/inner being without sense of mind or sense of perfecting it or learning it....innocent child calling for help does not learn intellectually calling out for help..child just does with such natural innocence and purity. Similiarly, personal ardas should be done with child like innocence, purity and sincerity. We all have to unlearn intellectual/conceptual baggage that we have learned in one point or another as its part of illusory mind..Sikh indentify itself with all prevading chaitan-consciouness/intuitive guidance-inner bibek within not illusory, egoic transient vulnerbale mind. Ironically contary to worldly or even scholary studies, spirituality sikhi/adhyatmic marg or sikh studies/ stage is actually reverse which requires to un learn everything, giving up pre condioning, condioned mind, unindentifying with intellectual/conceptual baggage, back to innocent child nature to unborn nature.

VAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA, VAHEGURU JI KI FATEH For the Sangat - all of Gurbani that follows the Ik is devoted to Ik - to explain, to expand and to guide on the Ik. The entire of Gurbani rotates around Ik. To Balbir "Singh" - so, which are you? Radhasoami, Nirankari, RSS? How much do you get paid to post nonsense on forums to confuse Sikhs or are you truly mentally unstable? Don't worry, you won't blow your cover - any person who has been on this forum for any time knows that your sole purpose here is with anti-Sikh intentions.

VAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA, VAHEGURU JI KI FATEH First find out WHY you are falling. Is it that you are doing Sangat for a week and then not and find yourself falling when not in Sangat? Are you getting bored in Sangat and find your mind wandering? Are you enjoying the Sangat but not engaging in Sangat (what do you mean you do Sangat? Hang out or do Simran/Paath/Seva/Keertan)? The mind and body need to be engaged in the activities directly of the Sangat and not just be witnesses to it and get a good feeling by proxy. Sangat is a boosting effect and there are only two choices - either you have to find a way to be in Sangat continuously OR take what you learn from the Sangat and apply to your personal jeevan when you are not in Sangat. Personal Kamai is very important. Sangat teaches, inspires, uplifts and guides, but you must self-improve and move yourself forward through your own efforts. Otherwise, you really must immerse yourself in a situation where you are in Sangat almost every minute of the day. Gurbani tells each devotee to search the inner self, to do introspection and come to the true realization of who you truly are and abandon the duality veil of the ego. This is the objective. Nobody said it would be easy - Khaneo Tikhi, Valeo Nikki implies exactly that. Sikhi is simpler than other faiths, but that does not imply a walk in the park. Gursikhs beg and plead Guru Sahib every single day for Amritvela/Simran/Gurbani/Seva - and I mean plead (some with shaky voices and tears in their eyes). The Almighty made you and knows you better than you know yourself. Your job as a Sikh is to do Ardaas and give 110% every day - the Almighty's mauj is to bless you with Gurprasad when it is deemed appropriate. Why the game? You and I don't get to ask that question - it IS the game and it exists, you have to play it - Hukam Na Kehiya Jai. This is not a one shot deal - as you said, individuals come into this world with the good and bad karams and kamai of many lifetimes with them. There are obstacles and/or advantages built into every individual based on this past. Some excel and leave others wondering why - they come with kamai and blessings from previous births. Others struggle throughout their life to make small strides. Again, the Almighty knows all - like a parent, the Almighty sees the efforts, the commitment, the intent - those things count as well. Undeserving of the Almighty's love? That is not your choice. In fact, you have very little choice BUT to continue your Sikhi. You are Amritdhari - a Sant Siphai is your destination. You have sold YOUR HEAD to the Guru and you are NOT ENTITLED to choice. Feel whatever you want, but the Rehat given to you by the Punj Pyare is law and you will comply or face the consequences. Feel whatever you want and have that conversation with the Almighty - that is what Ardaas is for. It doesn't have to be a formal Ardaas, sit inside and talk to the Almighty - tell the Almighty what you feel, that you are trying and what you want. Everything you are going through, every hardship, every roadblock, is shaping you as an individual for the coming time. There are reasons for these adversities and roadblocks that will be of use to you in the future. Accepting this is VERY difficult and those who accept the Hukam of the Almighty with unconditional resolve are at a very high spiritual level. So yes, many Sikhs on the path are of similar feeling - they get down, they get frustrated. But you get up every single day and fight. Kaam Krodh Nagar Meh Sabla, NIT UTH UTH JOOJH KARIJAI. It is the job of every Sikh to get up and fight the Punj Vikaars every day. War is not 100% victory - it is battle after battle after battle until the enemy is crushed or surrenders. There will be losses in battle, but keep the war victory as your objective. Do a benti to the Gursikhs to do Ardaas for you and advise you. Do Ardaas for yourself every day. Do as much Sangat as possible. Gurbani is your guide, Simran is your duty and Seva can keep the body busy and tired enough that you don't have time to do anything else.

sikhsangat or any blog isnt the place to post about marital issues or naming and shaming,

Welcome back, brother. Dont ever talk again of leaving this forum permanently or even temporarily, do you understand, you better understand!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL

I believe when we are starving and our favourite dish is brought in front of us, will we ever ask "How to eat this?"

This thread is not for the FAINT-HEARTED ones...

the key to the tests we all face and rest assured not just you is to never give up. the fall is always harder after a period of stability but staying down will only bring more misery and heartache than you can imagine and the chors will be victorious. if you don't believe me try and leave the Sikhi path for only a week or two and you will see all your affairs in complete dissarray. ਸਲੋਕੁ ਮਃ ੩ ॥ सलोकु मः ३ ॥ Salok mėhlā 3. Shalok, Third Mehl: ਮਾਇਆ ਮਮਤਾ ਮੋਹਣੀ ਜਿਨਿ ਵਿਣੁ ਦੰਤਾ ਜਗੁ ਖਾਇਆ ॥ माइआ ममता मोहणी जिनि विणु दंता जगु खाइआ ॥ Mā▫i▫ā mamṯā mohṇī jin viṇ ḏanṯā jag kẖā▫i▫ā. The love of Maya is enticing; without teeth, it has eaten up the world. ਮਨਮੁਖ ਖਾਧੇ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਉਬਰੇ ਜਿਨੀ ਸਚਿ ਨਾਮਿ ਚਿਤੁ ਲਾਇਆ ॥ मनमुख खाधे गुरमुखि उबरे जिनी सचि नामि चितु लाइआ ॥ Manmukẖ kẖāḏẖe gurmukẖ ubre jinī sacẖ nām cẖiṯ lā▫i▫ā. The self-willed manmukhs are eaten away, while the Gurmukhs are saved; they focus their consciousness on the True Name. ਬਿਨੁ ਨਾਵੈ ਜਗੁ ਕਮਲਾ ਫਿਰੈ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਨਦਰੀ ਆਇਆ ॥ बिनु नावै जगु कमला फिरै गुरमुखि नदरी आइआ ॥ Bin nāvai jag kamlā firai gurmukẖ naḏrī ā▫i▫ā. Without the Name, the world wanders around insane; the Gurmukhs come to see this. ਧੰਧਾ ਕਰਤਿਆ ਨਿਹਫਲੁ ਜਨਮੁ ਗਵਾਇਆ ਸੁਖਦਾਤਾ ਮਨਿ ਨ ਵਸਾਇਆ ॥ धंधा करतिआ निहफलु जनमु गवाइआ सुखदाता मनि न वसाइआ ॥ Ḏẖanḏẖā karṯi▫ā nihfal janam gavā▫i▫ā sukẖ▫ḏāṯa man na vasā▫i▫ā. Involved in worldly affairs, he wastes his life in vain; the peace-giving Lord does not come to abide in his mind. ਨਾਨਕ ਨਾਮੁ ਤਿਨਾ ਕਉ ਮਿਲਿਆ ਜਿਨ ਕਉ ਧੁਰਿ ਲਿਖਿ ਪਾਇਆ ॥੧॥ नानक नामु तिना कउ मिलिआ जिन कउ धुरि लिखि पाइआ ॥१॥ Nānak nām ṯinā ka▫o mili▫ā jin ka▫o ḏẖur likẖ pā▫i▫ā. ||1|| O Nanak, they alone obtain the Name, who have such pre-ordained destiny. ||1||

^^ true. If above news is true then we will be exactly in Kurds position.

Badal is doing paap after paap. Now is is making it officially known that he is in bed with the murderers of the Sikhs. Everytime they are out of power they come to power with false promises that they will punish cops who killed Sikhs. Once they come to power they protect and give power to those very war criminals.

OMG! Did water get in the Darbar Sahib tooo? There is parkash & Akhand Paath Sahibs going all around the parikarma? What happened???

How this happened? Is it all ok now?

Finally! About time! No to Al Qaeda, IS: Shia cleric to lead mass rally against terrorism Enough is enough, the Muslim community has started saying it finally. followers of Islam have decided to organise a mass rally on 6 September to condemn Islamic terrorism. the organisers are allegedly facing threats from a particular Muslim sect and the local administration. The rally is not limited to Shias; it’ll be attended by about 1000 Sunni, Hindu, Sikh and Christian religious leaders from across the country. http://www.firstpost.com/india/no-to-al-qaeda-is-shia-cleric-to-lead-mass-rally-against-terrorism-1697817.html

Balbir ji, 1 is vaachak for Brahm because thats the vishya anubandh (topic or matter of discussion) laid down by our Guruji. For example, if we open a book on organic chemistry, lets say the title of the first chapter is Carbon, then you get to know that organic chemistry is all about carbon. Then it goes into detail for explaining what it wants to tell about carbon in the chapter and further in all chapters. Similalry, Guru Granth Sahib ji starts with 1, so question comes to mind what is 1? That 1 is Brahm. How do you get to know that it is Brahm and not anything else? Well, if we continue the example as above, the title of chapter 1 is Carbon. Ok, what if someone doesn't know anything about carbon? Lets say the book is meant for graduate students. Still, it gives the basic definition of carbon atom and its structure, discovery etc in beginning of first chapter, or atleast a paragraph, even though for a graduate student it might seem redundant. Hence, if there is a slight doubt in student's mind that organic chemistry is not about carbon, then by reading the first paragraph or the whole book he/she can say that organic chemistry is all about carbon. In the same way, to make sure that 1 is indeed a vaachak for Brahm and nothing else, whole Guru Granth Sahib is there to be read. If not whole, then atleast with just Mool Mantar any doubt regarding 1 not being Brahm will be cleared. Good question though!

VAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA, VAHEGURU JI KI FATEH What "sukh" are you looking for? "Dukh Vich Sookh Manai" is what Gurbani teaches - to be content even when sadness is around. Guru Sahib's life is a reference point of the absolute ideal in Gursikhi. Sarbans Dani Sahib-E-Kamal Dasam Patshah gave up EVERYTHING and still remained in Chardi-Kalaa. His Sikhs were the same as him - no food, no shelter, living on horseback and relished every minute of Simran and Gurbani. Do Ardaas for whatever you need - the Almighty is the giver of all. But understand that Sikhi teaches that only Naam/Bani will take to the Almighty and make you One. Within that is true happiness. All else fades and does not last. Gurbani is not a path of do this = profit. It is a path of remembering the Almighty through Simran, inner contemplation, self realization and progress based on the Guru's instructions/Hukam that is Gurbani. If you progress on the path of Gurbani, happiness will be present regardless of the worldly condition and your station in life. It is not of coincidence that Shaheedan Di Sirtaj - Sahib Sri Guru Arjun Dev Sahib Ji - recited "Tera Kia Meetha Laagae" while being tortured - despite the extremely brutal tortures and conditions his body was subjected to, his very essence was joined to the Almighty to where they were One - was still in a Divine bliss. Such was the state of many of the Chardi-Kalaa Shaheed Sikhs, of olden and new history, that took upon themselves exrteme torture and yet still remained enraptured in the Almighty's rememberance. You have only to look at Shaheed Bhai Anokh Singh Babbar's Shaheedi to see the avastha of "Dukh Vich Sookh Manai" - tortures that leave a reader trembling by merely reading, this Gursikh was able to face uttering Vaheguru and still thanked the Almighty for the days and nights of happiness.

Show some respect.Its Guru Granth Sahib ji. Our Living Guru solves all problems of all humamity. Also enrol yourself in a good English school to improve your spellings and basic writing skills.

Waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh sangat ji Giani Sher Singh ji explaining dasam bani to kids

^^ waheguru ji.....raja bhagirath met Guru Nanak Sahib which changed his life and he became a Gursikh. fyi: some sidh jogis like gorakh nath became Guru sahib's followers too. We should not raise our finger at anyone if we don't have enough knowledge about the topic. Bhai Mokham Singh ji is very respected and learned Singh and he has earned this respect with Guru sahib's kirpa.

best of luck to him...... the worrying bit - "I am privileged to be able to take complete authority of Sikh Channel" Gurdeep Singh in kalyug power corrupts all men....

How do you know he's taking steroids? If you're sure, there's alot of material on the internet detailing the irreversible side effects of steroid abuse. Just do a search, print off some studies and show them to him.