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Religion is in decline in UK (and rest of world). In another century Atheism will dominate. People don’t feel they need a religion to live by. All faiths are in identity crisis (even Islam). I think the Khalsa will save this world - read Dasam Granth. Our Gurbani can compete with this.

Religion has also become our political badge. Who we vote for what we stand for ect. All religions are definantly fading even Islam. Many Muslims like to put up a front that they are religious. But we all know that many from that faith engage in activities that are far from religious. I guess Islam will just take a little longer to fade then the rest.

Really? Which rules/restrictions that are common in different religions are people happy to abide by?

I think it comes down to this: 1. People don't want to live their life according to any rules or restrictions 2. People are very egotistical and feel that if their something outside of their realm of understanding, it must not be possible or must not exist

Dharma will survive. It is more complex. These religions need to stop fighting within (mostly Abrahamic) and behaving like football teams.

How do you define religion, bro? Also, how do you define dharam? (Btw, the root of culture is cult )

Strange how 'psychics' never say anything truly unexpected. I.e. chill out it's all an illusion , who killed JFK, how the pyramids were built, god is X,y,z...it always fluffy stuff. Plus many psychics have been rumbled for their tricks. Watch/read darren brown stuff, the people who have caught well known psychics sending their minions amongst the audience before shows to get their back stories / over hearing conversations. I don't doubt there are other realms...but too many people who profess such things are 'dodgy' to say the least

A friend with psychic abilities once visited our house and could describe seeing Shaheed Singhs. She referred to them dressed in blue, metal ring around the turban (chakar) etc.

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I wonder this too- if a soul has moved on, how are psychics suddenly claiming they are in the room and they are saying this and that.... surely these souls are already reincarnated?

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"We've got the highest levels of controls of security around the work that we do here," Gary Aitkenhead told me. "We would not be allowed to operate if we had lack of control that could result in anything leaving the four walls of our facility here. "There's no way that agent would have left. We have complete confidence that nothing could have come from here out into the wider world." The above comment from the head of the Porton Down laboratory (10 miles from the Sailsbury incident) sounds like an acknowledgement that they stock the Russian nerve agent used in the attack. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43520534#

I'd chill if i was you. All of these things can be looked upon as 'games' played by ' characters' with little consideration for collateral damage. You see all this warmongering etc..it's necessary for the system to work. You always need viable threats to maintain the budgets and powers of the systems. The USA spends 100s of billions a year on defence and intel, do you think that would be viable in a peaceful world? As for the games between politicians it's a sham, most of the time they behind the scenes get on and know what the game is about. Those faces you see on TV don't actually have any power it's the ones behind them who stay regardless of who is perceived to the the leader. If everyone knew that the politicians were powerless, the plebs would stop voting and giving legitimacy to the system, things would start to crumble. I'll give you an example, do you ever wonder why the government of the UK keeps on selling public assets and letting private entities take over things like the NHS? Well the UK government is heavily in debt and has to borrow billions from international institutions like BlackRock to keep things rolling. In order to get lower interest rates and make things seem normal in return the government has to sell assets to these institutions (via privatisation). The politicians are powerless because they just want illusion of power. Just like if you ever go to parliament or some of the social places near parliament you'll see that the politicians regardless of party off camera mingle and are friends, then on camera they just regurgitate a narrative given to them by advisors/their party/their backers. It's a game that's all it is to them .

Well that's the sticking point. It's slowly becoming a trend amongst amritdhari's which will lead to a 'holier than thou' attitude. You can see it starting off with the 'guilt trip' posts on social media and websites nowadays. Hats off to anyone who only consumes raw milk or is vegan, but don't use it as a platform to criticise those who choose not to.

True ! They got additional funding from 'Sikh Spirit Foundation' to work on Gurbani Center ($25K) and another funding from 'Avtar Singh' for the mobile app (Undisclosed). The SikhNet Gurbani Media Center app is now available for FREE thanks to the generous support of Avtar Singh Dhamija, of Akal Engineers and Consultants Ltd, Canada. http://www.sikhnet.com/gurbani/mobile We've done it! Because of your generosity, along with the wonderful offer from the Sikh Spirit Foundation to match your donations Dollar-for-Dollar, we have now raised enough to get the new Gurbani Media Center online! Thank you for supporting this project! http://www.sikhnet.com/GurbaniMediaCenter

Nothing new, the whole 3ho franchise is run as a business. I remember looking to apply to go to one of their camps in New Mexico. They were charging for all sorts which is not something you would expect with an average Gurmat Camp.

This is the tip of the iceberg. 3HO have been a money making machine thanks to the now deceased Faustian Yogi (Harbhajan) and his clever marketing techniques. They have businesses worth hundreds of millions if not more.

Further to add A true sikh Does not ask questions on gurus okay... Everything is not possible with ghandhi giri in this world.......Guru Gobind Singh ji Has given you all those things today that Man/woman was wanting from a long times..........He has sacrificed whole of his Family for us...He gives us Being Royal, dignity,respect,,Crown...I mean everything. Scientifically, A good literature is useless unless it is not interpreted and put into practice and the interpretation and Actions were done by Tenth Guru...Who raises Questions Against him ,He is not Really A sikh..,Can be good example of Hypocrite sikh. Indeed The Most of the Mahants Were not Good people at that time,Even Still not Good Today If you try to see somewhere in punjab... Once The Rapist Asked the Justice ,"If everything Happens with the will of God Then why are you Giving me a Statement of Death "? Who are you ? Only God will judge me?? The Justice listened him first and then Replied calmly " If you think The that God had ordered you to do such shameful act, Then The same God has ordered me to make you dead"... Being Merciful ,kind, compassionate are other things but when it comes to anakh and Insaaniyat......we have to kill the devils.... Hope you got now.. :angry2:

We all talk about the issue of grooming by predominantly Muslim men but lets look at the root of the problem. "It is for these reasons, and many more not listed, that I conclude that while treating the slave girl with compassion is mandatory, consent for sex is not a part of that obligation. Islam does not mention anywhere that consent is mandatory, and everything is allowed in Islam except what has been forbidden. Also, certain actions towards a slave which may considered to be harsh, such as beating the slave, are only forbidden if it is done unjustly - like if the slave accidentally burns your food. Obviously a slave has to obey his or her master, and that discipline is in order for those who refuse to comply. So force can be used on a slave. If this wasn't allowed, there never would have been such thing as slavery in the first place since all slaves would have ran away and their masters could do nothing to stop it. The above Hadith mentions that the wife must goto the husband no matter what (ie, that she doesn't have a choice). Now if the wife does not have a choice, do you expect that a slave will have a better or even equal option?" http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?36750-Sex-slaves-in-Islam The above quote is just one of many views from Muslims who feel that women can be used as war booty. This is more apparent in the context of Muslim men who believe that they are fighting a global jihad against the kuffirs and feel that any action is justified. In public any Muslim representative would probably use taqiya (lie) to make out that grooming or sex-trafficking are against the tenets of Islam, but doctrine and history of Islam would perhaps say otherwise. Not being anti-Muslim as there are many sincere Muslims out there who value compassion and humanity - but we need to realise that sex jihad, inequality of women, hatred of kuffrs, killing non-muslims, spreading terror and so on......are not the views of a small minority of extremists,,, but has alot to do with the fundamentals of Islam and the meanings of parts of the Quran. Qur'an (33:50) - "O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those (slaves) whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee" This is one of several personal-sounding verses "from Allah" narrated by Muhammad - in this case allowing himself a virtually unlimited supply of sex partners. Others are restrained to four wives, but may also have sex with any number of slaves, as the following verse make clear: Qur'an (23:5-6) - "..who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess..." This verse permits the slave-owner to have sex with his slaves.

Please check out the below link including related articles, and see how Christian missionaries are actively targeting the Sikh community worldwide. Unfortunately there is a rising trend of Sikhs converting due to lack of knowledge/awareness of Sikhi. They have a dedicated website - www.sikhoutreach.org http://www.commissionstories.com/asia/stories/view/sikh-pastor-has-a-vision-of-transformation Sikh people are open to the Gospel, Singh says. “Sikh people need Jesus, and Sikh people are in search of God, but they just need a little bit indication that this is the true way,” Singh says. “Whenever they come to Christ, they come in full faith. They will not slide back.”

============================== It is indirect parchar as any seva performed by Sikhs in Sikhi roop has a major effect on the minds of those being served and those watching. I do agree that education at the same time and distribution of suitable literature (Bhai Ghanaiya ji) sakhi for instance will have a profound impact on their psyche. Agree we need to work is helping ourselves more so than others as we are also in a crisis. Daswand belongs to Guru Sahib and it should be used to propagate Sikhi first and foremost and if we have more to spend on worthwhile causes then so be it. No other external organisations support Sikh causes; not the media, obviously not our leadership and we cannot rely on the majority of Guru Ghars as the pardhans are never full. Other faiths have far more organised fund raising means and don't have to go cap in hand like our charities do (the scene from Oliver Twist) springs to mind, and in the Uk the media is biased and frequently air documentaries about these faiths whereas I can count on one hand the number of Sikhi programmes aired in the last 10 years. Once we have our house in order I'll be more inclined to spend my dhaan on others. I recall once when I was in India in 2003 doing afsos at some MLAs koti and sgpc cronies were sitting in the baitak. So I struck a conversation with one about lack of parchar in Punjab, he was shocked at first and questioned what could they do ??? when I pushed him on the idea of printing literature and distributing in villages his argument was that the population would use the paper to eat chevra on so out of respect they don't bother. At this point I stayed quiet as it became a pointless discussion. Apologies veer ji, I agree with everything else you wrote.

This is the result of being so welcoming of missionaries, migrants and trying to get good image in the general public by being tolerant. I don't know why we need to gain the acceptance of Manmati people, the amount of times our Sikhs tell non-Sikhs about the so-called Hindu Muslim Bhagats in Guru Granth Sahib makes me cringe. The Christian missionaries are targetting many Sikhs, churches have come up in many villages and their numbers tripled in a decade. A Christian Pastor called Harbhajan Deol openly insulted our Gurus and we could do nothing. He forcibly converted 2800 Sikhs in his village and we couldn't act on it? Its funny, Christian missionaries couldn't fulfil their agenda during the British Empire but they're growinly rapidly under the so called 'Panthic Sarkar'.

Good to see you bijla singh again after long time...i hope i can take a long break like you did from online to explore and research sikhi further..please do ardas for me that i can have same passion (in actually doing doing naam simran) as i have in doing vichar or sometimes tu tu mein online. This is vechar, its never meant for debate. Below its all gyan from mahapursh audio katha/books on gurbani/gurmat- nirgun and sargun. Akaal Moraat is visheshan or indication of Nirgun Paratma. Nirgun paratama rightly so, is without any shape or form. In sikh theology, the reason- Vahiguroo is considered have two forms is because of sargun and nirgun da milaap in mool mantar and jaap sahib, sri akaal ustat sahib. In the japji sahib katha done by taksali mahapursh both gyani thakur singh ji katha and sant gurbachan singh ji bhindranwale (steek of japji sahib ) have mentioned ikongkar (sargun and nirgun da milaap). Just look at the transition in "ikongkar" - it starts with ik(nirgun) ong(sargun) then kar - kar(sargun and nirgun milaap) sargun reminds us of source, which goes back to nirgun form. Kar- Milaap of Nirgun and Sargun (Milaap of Nirgun and Sargun) The reason i mentioned nirgun and sargun are forms, its because when there was no universe, it was only nirgun in its nirvakalp samadhi, shabad gyan. But when nirgun transcedented most of its attributes via shabada (ong), sargun paratma(avtars), sargun pasara(vairaat), shabada with attributes of nirgun was created. The fact its nirgun attributes are being transcedented..i don't think aspect word does justice. Gurbani does full milaap of nirgun and sargun. So there is no duality and its advait, its one. There are many gurbani shabads which talk about nirgun and saroop of vahiguroo (be it atamgyan/bhramgyan, upma of vairaat, nirgun vahiguroo- jaap sahib), shabad explaining both nirgun and sargun roop of ikongkar. If nirgun is ocean, sargun is water in the ocean..there is no difference. Nirgun and Sargun are both part of each other: ਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਦੀਸੈ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਸੁਣੀਐ ਏਕੁ ਏਕੁ ਵਖਾਣੀਐ ॥ breham dheesai breham suneeai eaek eaek vakhaaneeai || ਆਤਮ ਪਸਾਰਾ ਕਰਣਹਾਰਾ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਬਿਨਾ ਨਹੀ ਜਾਣੀਐ ॥ aatham pasaaraa karanehaaraa prabh binaa nehee jaaneeai || Sargun Nirgun Nirankar Sun Samadhi Aaap, Aaapie Kiya Nanaka Apaie Fer Jaap || Nirgun Tae Sargun Thiya (From Nirgun vahiguroo, sargun came). Ek moorat(i) anek darsan koon roop anek|| (Jaap) Thou, the One Entity, appearest as Many creating innumerable forms. Khel khel akhel khelan ant ko phir(i) ek||81|| After playing the world-drama, when Thou wilt stop the play, Thou wilt be the same One again.81. Anek hain|| Phir ek hain||43|| (Jaap Sahib) Sri Akaal Ustat ਜੈਸੇ ਏਕ ਆਗ ਤੇ ਕਨੂਕਾ ਕੋਟਿ ਆਗ ਉਠੈ ਨਿਆਰੇ ਨਿਆਰੇ ਹੁਇ ਕੈ ਫੇਰਿ ਆਗ ਮੈ ਮਿਲਾਹਿਂਗੇ ॥ जैसे एक आग ते कनूका कोटि आग उठै निआरे निआरे हुइ कै फेरि आग मै मिलाहिंगे ॥ Just as millions of sparks are created from the fire; although they are different entities, they merge in the same fire. ਜੈਸੇ ਏਕ ਧੂਰਿ ਤੇ ਅਨੇਕ ਧੂਰਿ ਪੂਰਤ ਹੈ ਧੂਰਿ ਕੇ ਕਨੂਕਾ ਫੇਰ ਧੂਰਿ ਹਿ ਸਮਾਹਿਂਗੇ जैसे एक धूरि ते अनेक धूरि पूरत है धूरि के कनूका फेर धूरि हि समाहिंगे Just as from of waves are created on the surface of the big rivers and all the waves are called water. ਜੈਸੇ ਏਕ ਨਦ ਤੇ ਤੰਰਗ ਕੋਟਿ ਉਪਜਤ ਹੈਂ ਪਾਨਿ ਕੇ ਤਰੰਗ ਸਬੈ ਪਾਨਿ ਹੀ ਕਹਾਹਿਂਗੇ ॥ जैसे एक नद ते तंरग कोटि उपजत हैं पानि के तरंग सबै पानि ही कहाहिंगे ॥ Similarly the animate and inanimate objects come out of the Supreme Lord; having been created from the same Lord, they merge in the same Lord. 17.87. See the problem with english, its pretty limited..for lack of better word i use non-existent because for naked eye- nirgun is similiar to non existent as their surti cannot feel...the vibration of paratma which is always there it just not attuned to it.I think better word to describe it as - anubhav parkash of nirgun- sat chit anand svaroop.As i mentioned earlier above with nirgun and sargun ekta wale shabads. Nirgun and sargun are same. Sargun is reflection of Nirgun just like how picture in mirror is an reflection of self.. because nirgun transcedented its attributes when this whole universe was created..creation came from creator regardless of devta's shortcoming. If sun is nirgun, its lights and its ray is sargun. If one tries to hide the light/its ray or alter the light or rays make prism reflection out of it, that does not change the"fact" light/ray of sun animating from its direct source(sun). Nirgun will show its attributes via sargun, when sargun merged back to its source (nirgun). There is no attribute to show but that does not mean nirgun does not have attributes,that just means there is nothing to show that point, if everything merged back to nirgun paratma (everything sargun pasara, avtars, shabads, attributes), there is nothing..don't confuse nothing with shuniya...its not shuniya - its not annihilation, merging with mahanand sagar can never be annihalation. Please read previous discussion with kulbir singh - http://www.tapoban.o...p?1,4508,page=1 Even labels anubhav parkash and sat chit anand svaroop applies to nirgun vahiguroo as long as sargun exist, as soon as sargun merges back to its sources (everything sargun pasara, avtars, shabads, attributes) its nirvakalp samadhi..we cannot describe, there is no surti left to describe nirgun. That's why bhramgyanis have best tried to describe closely nirgun - "Nirvakalap samadhi" "Shabad Gyan" "Anubhav Parkash". Sorry, i can only refer to our previous discussion on this matter: Readers can make up their mind from there. http://www.sikhaware...-when-they-die/ ਜਲੇ ਹਰੀ ॥ ਥਲੇ ਹਰੀ ॥ ਉਰੇ ਹਰੀ ॥ ਬਨੇ ਹਰੀ ॥੧॥੫੧॥ जले हरी ॥ थले हरी ॥ उरे हरी ॥ बने हरी ॥१॥५१॥ The Lord is in water. The Lord is on land. The Lord is in the heart. The Lord is in the forests.1.51. ਗਿਰੇ ਹਰੀ ॥ ਗੁਫੇ ਹਰੀ ॥ ਛਿਤੇ ਹਰੀ ॥ ਨਭੇ ਹਰੀ ॥੨॥੫੨॥ गिरे हरी ॥ गुफे हरी ॥ छिते हरी ॥ नभे हरी ॥२॥५२॥ The Lord is in he mountains. The Lord is in the cave. The Lord is in he earth. The Lord is in the sky. 2.52. ਈਹਾਂ ਹਰੀ ॥ ਉਹਾਂ ਹਰੀ ॥ ਜਿਮੀ ਹਰੀ ॥ ਜਮਾ ਹਰੀ ॥੩॥੫੩॥ ईहां हरी ॥ उहां हरी ॥ जिमी हरी ॥ जमा हरी ॥३॥५३॥ The Lord is in here. The Lord is there. The Lord is in the earth. The Lord is in the sky. 3.53. ਅਲੇਖ ਹਰੀ ॥ ਅਭੇਖ ਹਰੀ ॥ ਅਦੋਖ ਹਰੀ ॥ ਅਦ੍ਵੈਖ ਹਰੀ ॥੪॥੫੪॥ अलेख हरी ॥ अभेख हरी ॥ अदोख हरी ॥ अद्वैख हरी ॥४॥५४॥ The Lord is Ac countless. The Lord is guiseless. The Lord is blemishless. The Lord is sans duality. Here in Sri Akaal Ustat sahib- Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji maharaj gives example of vahiguroo in sargun vairaat roop. Right after that gurbani couplets, guru maharaj gives updesh importance of nirgun, as one must NOT get stuck in sargun only, as maharaj's birthi while reciting this couplet which is sargun goes from sargun into nirgun vahiguroo then again maharaj birthi naturally go back to sargun vairaat saroop dhyaan to show us again going back to nirgun parbhram for 16,000 times of tuhi tuhi. This is classic beautiful example of how birthi gets subtle/subtle from sargun goes into nirgun..anyway enjoy this..! ਜਲਸ ਤੁਹੀਂ ॥ ਥਲਸ ਤੁਹੀਂ ॥ ਨਦਿਸ ਤੁਹੀਂ ॥ ਨਦਸ ਤੁਹੀਂ ॥੧੩॥੬੩॥ जलस तुहीं ॥ थलस तुहीं ॥ नदिस तुहीं ॥ नदस तुहीं ॥१३॥६३॥ O Lord! Thou art water. O Lord! Thou art dry land.O Lord! Thou art the stream. O Lord ! Thou art the Ocean. 13.63 ਬ੍ਰਿਛਸ ਤੁਹੀਂ ॥ ਪਤਸ ਤੁਹੀਂ ॥ ਛਿਤਸ ਤੁਹੀਂ ॥ ਉਰਧਸ ਤੁਹੀਂ ॥੧੪॥੬੪॥ ब्रिछस तुहीं ॥ पतस तुहीं ॥ छितस तुहीं ॥ उरधस तुहीं ॥१४॥६४॥ O Lord! Thou art the tree. O Lord! Thou art the leaf. O Lord ! Thou art the earth. O Lord ! Thou art the sky. 14. 64. ਭਜਸ ਤੁਅੰ ॥ ਭਜਸ ਤੁਅੰ ॥ ਰਟਸ ਤੁਅੰ ॥ ਠਟਸ ਤੁਅੰ ॥੧੫॥੬੫॥ भजस तुअं ॥ भजस तुअं ॥ रटस तुअं ॥ ठटस तुअं ॥१५॥६५॥ O Lord! I meditate on Thee. O Lord! I meditate on Thee.O Lord! I repeat Thy Name. O Lord ! I worship Thee. 15.65. ਜਿਮੀ ਤੁਹੀਂ ॥ ਜਮਾ ਤੁਹੀਂ ॥ ਮਕੀ ਤੁਹੀਂ ॥ ਮਕਾ ਤੁਹੀਂ ॥੧੬॥੬੬॥ जिमी तुहीं ॥ जमा तुहीं ॥ मकी तुहीं ॥ मका तुहीं ॥१६॥६६॥ O Lord! Thou art the earth. O Lord! Thou art the sky.O Lord ! Thou art the Owner of the house. O Lord! Thou art the house Thyself. 16.66. ਅਭੂ ਤੁਹੀਂ ॥ ਅਭੈ ਤੁਹੀਂ ॥ ਅਛੂ ਤੁਹੀਂ ॥ ਅਛੈ ਤੁਹੀਂ ॥੧੭॥੬੭॥ अभू तुहीं ॥ अभै तुहीं ॥ अछू तुहीं ॥ अछै तुहीं ॥१७॥६७॥ O Lord! Thou art birthless. O Lord Thou art Fearless.O Lord ! Thou art Untouchabe. O Lord ! Thou art Invincible.17.67. ਜਤਸ ਤੁਹੀਂ ॥ ਬ੍ਰਤਸ ਤੁਹੀਂ ॥ ਗਤਸ ਤੁਹੀਂ ॥ ਮਤਸ ਤੁਹੀਂ ॥੧੮॥੬੮॥ जतस तुहीं ॥ ब्रतस तुहीं ॥ गतस तुहीं ॥ मतस तुहीं ॥१८॥६८॥ O Lord! Thou art the celibacy. O Lord! Thou art the means for a virtuous deed. O Lord! Thou art the salvation. O Lord! Thou art the Redemption. 18.68. ਤੁਹੀਂ ਤੁਹੀਂ ॥ ਤੁਹੀਂ ਤੁਹੀਂ ॥ ਤੁਹੀਂ ਤੁਹੀਂ ॥ ਤੁਹੀਂ ਤੁਹੀਂ ॥੧੯॥੬੯॥ तुहीं तुहीं ॥ तुहीं तुहीं ॥ तुहीं तुहीं ॥ तुहीं तुहीं ॥१९॥६९॥ O Lord! Everything art Thou, Everything Thou art. O Lord! Everything Thou art the salvation. O Lord ! Everything art Thou, Everything Thou art. O Lord! Everything Thou art. O Lord! Everything art Thou, Everything Thou art. 19.69. ਤੁਹੀਂ ਤੁਹੀਂ ॥ ਤੁਹੀਂ ਤੁਹੀਂ ॥ ਤੁਹੀਂ ਤੁਹੀਂ ॥ ਤੁਹੀਂ ਤੁਹੀਂ ॥੨੦॥੭੦॥ तुहीं तुहीं ॥ तुहीं तुहीं ॥ तुहीं तुहीं ॥ तुहीं तुहीं ॥२०॥७०॥ O Lord! Everything art Thou, Everything Thou art. O Lord! Everything art Thou, Eveything Thou art. O Lord! Everything art Thou, Everything Thou art. O Lord! O Lord! Everything art Thou, Everything Thou art. 20.70. ਬਿਸਨੁਪਦ ਪੁੰਨੀਆ ਗੀਤ ਸਾਨੀ ਤਰਹ ਦੂਜੀ ॥ ਸਰਗੁਨ ਨਿਰਗੁਨ ਦ੍ਵੈ ਰੂਪ ਹਰੀ ਕੇ, ਉਪਾਸਨ ਭਗਤਨ ਕੋ ਅਤਿ ਨੀਕੋ ॥ The Sargun and Nirgun are two forms of Hari, for devotes these two types of worship are acceptable ਭਗਤਿ ਗਯਾਨੀ ਗਯਾਨੀ ਭਗਤਾ, ਉਪਾਸਕ ਉਭਯ ਭਗਤਿ ਹਰਿ ਜੀ ਕੋ ॥ Bhagat = Sargun da upashak, Gyani = Nirgun da upashak, both of these two types of devotes are Pareshvar's shardaloo's (faithful) (page 423, vol 2 of the sarbloh granth tika) Off course it cannot be divided into states or sub states- For lack of better word i used sub states but the reality is- attributes of nirgun paratma are part of nirgun paratma. It's not part of "SATAN". Whole purpose of gurbani is to make our dualistic mind to non dualitistic(advait) Creator is infused in its creation: Ey netaroh mereho Har tum meh jot dhari har bin avar n dekhaho koyi|| Har bin avar n dekhaho koyi nadari Har nihaliya|| Eh viss sansar tum dekhdey ehu Harka roop hay Har roop nadari aya|| Gurparsaadi bujhiya ja vekha Ha ikk hay Har bin avar n koyi|| Kahay Nanak eh nettar andh se Satgur miliye dib drishti hoyi||36|| (Anand Sahib) This is very important: In gurbani, updesh its given to both surti at different stages/gurbani supports meta reality For Jaigaso (so bairaag and focus on nirgun paratma via shabad/sargun avtars stays)- Gurbani has given perception and updesh that this sansar is mithiya, everything is mithiya and sargun pasara is mere play. Eh Parpanch Parbrahm kee Leela|| There are also may shabads which talks about how this whole world is mithiya and maya. For more advance seekers and Bhramgyani avastha: This sansar is hari roop- sargun and nirgun are binded as beads are binded in rosary. Everything came from nirgun- only one- In bhramgyan there is no duality- its all one roop.,Advait roop (non duality). So which one is satya? They are both sat at different levels of surti. At jaigaso level, perception of this sansar is mithiya is sat. At advance seeker and Bhramgyan level, perception of this sansar roop being hari roop is sat.You see, our surti in nature is sargun saroop, whole journey is to transcedent our sargun saroop surti to nirgun paratma (advait). Think of it, as We are in bicycle, body is our surti/atma- two wheels are shabad and sargun vahiguroo(vairaat roop). They are connected but independent at the same time. Shabad and sargun saroop of vahiguroo (shud satogun) are two wheels which will take us to nirgun. To start with journey on bicycle, most of riders require assistance of both wheels to ride as our surti itself is sargun, as our surti transcedent/reaches half stage/final stage start becoming becoming more more nirgun that surti only need to ride on one wheel (shabad-gyan). However at half away or even close to finish stage sometimes rider require assistance of both wheels (shabad and sargun vahiguroo-kirpa), sometimes rider gets lost and sway from track then sargun saroop vahiguroo himself does kirpa on this jeava to give him darshan/mukth avastha and join jaigaso surti with nirgun. As sri sarbloh granth says: ਸਰਗੁਨ ਨਿਰਗੁਨ ਦ੍ਵੈ ਰੂਪ ਹਰੀ ਕੇ, ਉਪਾਸਨ ਭਗਤਨ ਕੋ ਅਤਿ ਨੀਕੋ ॥ The Sargun and Nirgun are two forms of Hari, for devotes these two types of worship are acceptable ਭਗਤਿ ਗਯਾਨੀ ਗਯਾਨੀ ਭਗਤਾ, ਉਪਾਸਕ ਉਭਯ ਭਗਤਿ ਹਰਿ ਜੀ ਕੋ ॥ Bhagat = Sargun da upashak, Gyani = Nirgun da upashak, both of these two types of devotes are Pareshvar's shardaloo's (faithful) Sargun bhagti- namaskar to sri guru granth sahib ji, namaskar to all our gurus, namaskar to creation, namaskar to vairaat saroop, namaksar to shastar, namaskar to nishan sahib, namaskar to musical instrument, reading gurbani, doing simran- following shabad with surti, vairaat sargun pasara. Nirgun bhagti- surti transcedenting automatically towards nirgun, no effort from surti- gyan of shabad/gyan of atma. To get further reconfirmation, i will be asking baba hari singh randhaywale this very important question- - Out of 100% for better understanding, how many % of gurmat based on advait (man tu jot saroop hai) and how many % of gurmat based on grace (gurparsad)?? This is very important as well (this is very subtle and important disctincation) In nirgun, there is only gyan of shabad not shabad itself. Baba Hari Singh Randhawale rightly said- Shabad Di Pooja Nirgun Pooja Hai” (Worship of Shabad is the Worship of Nirgun). Worship of shabad at earlier stage/beginning stages is simran( sargun asthohol and sukham roop) and sargun surti transcedenting itself to nirgun birthi) and worship of shabad at bhramgyan stage - gyan of that shabad Shabad is sargun and shabad gyan is nirgun. Simran stages itself starts from sargun, transcedents slowly towards nirgun. Even resosance of shabad - dhuni is sargun in shuksham form. However, gyan(anubhav parkash) from that dhuni is nirgun. At bhramgyan- Birthi/Surti negates akhar shabad/dhuni- sargun vahiguroo shabad, however gyan of that shabad which indicates attributes of Vahiguroo-gyan doesnt get destroyed, birthi/surti resides in gyan of shabad. Eh akhar kirh jaingaie, vo akhar inn mein nahi | Akhar Dristh Man Jaita Nanak Parbhram Nirlaipa || Please listen to this very informative audio discourse with gurbani references by sant isher singh ji rara sahib which shed more light on this subject- dhyaan of sakar/sargun at the starting and shabad, dhunis, parkash, dasam dvar are all staying below nirgun parbhram only thing stays in nirgun - gyan of the shabad, anubhav parkash and nirvkalap samadhi. http://www.sikhroots...an-a-katha.html Please listen to baba hari singh ji randhawale on this point. I have also tried to clarify as well http://www.sikhsanga...post__p__536106

Please see this video taken from last nights 'have i got abit more news for you.' (9.7.2011) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmzqoucHqIE&feature=youtube_gdata_player In the footage the presenter calls Sikhs 'towelheads'. Please make a complaint to the BBC. If it was a remark about black people or anti-semitic remarks then the person would be crucified by the media. At the very least he should make a public apology https://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/forms/process/complaint?id=ROBC8MVPT4A2F2U1OK6LJBVT36&uid=192893967

Bhai Amrik Singh Jee Damdami Taksaal Ajnala talks about the situation in Punjab

I wouldn't take this youtuber seriously because his livelihood depends on selling stuff to those who panic. The more panic ppl, the more business he will make. Look at his description of the video. On the other hand, it is true that the some rogue world leaders are becoming more trigger happy; specially Russia and China.