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Yes I thought that section was very dodgy as well. That's not how I would explain about Sikh, personally.

If your wife divorces you, she is no longer your wife. THEN it is okay to marry. But from what the altered maryada reads, it seems to allow polygamy. THIS is what I am against. Perhaps it should be changed or amended to mention that polygamy is not allowed? 156486[/snapback] There is no divorce. in Sikhi. There is no mention of divorce in the rehitmaryada. That is why you 'generally' cannot remarry while your husband/wife is still alive. I don't think it is a quesiton of polygamy at all. Agree with palamrinder though about SGPC not having the right to do so, whenever and however it wishes to do so.

Hppy b-day :wub:

Soul. That is a good question and is open for argument. One thing that makes me understand is that, we have a soul (atma in Punjabi) and there is the Param-atma, i.e. the complete/supreme (not in hierachy supreme, but i hope you understand) soul. We are all part of that parmatma. I like to see it in three ways: The light of the sun comes on all of us. We are seen. There is light coming on us. Are we the sun? No. Are we the light? No But is the light on/in us? it is. Of an orange. The fat peel is our ego, and the delicate part inside of it is the soul. To reach that soul, that light, thta jyot, we need to get rid of the peel. It is the peel that is preventing us from getting to th delicate. Going back to the part about atma and paramatma, Gurbani says Man tu jyot saroop hai apna mool pachan. Gurbani is so wonderful, so sweet. Let's have a look what it says: Oh my mind, you are the soul (the light), recognize your origin. The word mool means origin. Interestingly enough the 'mool-mantar' (description of God), tells me that the word 'mool', not only means origin but also GOD! That makes a huge difference: Oh my mind, you are the soul, recognize your origin/God. Double and wonderful usage of the word Mool by Guru Ji. Not only should we recognize our origin, but also recognize that God IS our origin. We are all part of God, yet our ego is stopping us from meeting that Vaheguru Which are these eyes? Are they these physical eyes? No. This is the jyot, the soul. The thing that exists within you, within everyone else on the planet. Bhull chukk maaf

'Right path', ins't how our Gurus dscribe it. It is rather: A path

I don't think that generall was added to allow polygamy, but to allow those in EXTREME circumstances, where i.e. the wife is being raped, abused etc etc be allowed to divorce and henceforth marry someone else more on the path of the Guru. That is why I think this amendment is a good step, and isn't there to allow polygamy. Although I am in favour of the 'generally' business, since it allows people in EXTREME, EXTREME situations to divorce and re-settle while the husband is still alive, I don't think the SGPC has the right to modify it right and left however and whenever it feels like it. the Maryada shoudl have been modified with the Panth getting together and making amendments rather than some tom, john, harry making these changes, no matter how much sense they make. Unbelievable as it sounds there are plenty of 'Gurmukhs' our there who are against divorce and remarriage whilst the partner is alive, even in extreme cases of rape, and phsical and mental abuse. This needs to be stopped. Punjabi mentality needs to be dropped. Bhull Chukk maaf

There's no point in answering this thread, Since Balbir Singh is only going to end it with 'meditate and find out' when questioned. You prove yourself that your questions are not genuine ones.

eyko pvxu mwtI sB eykw sB eykw joiq sbweIAw ] eaeko pavan maattee sabh eaekaa sabh eaekaa joth sabaaeeaa || There is only one breath; all are made of the same clay; the light within all is the same. If yo read the Gurmukhi you'll see that it could be translated as all are of the same mould, rather than of the same clay. Be careful with transaltions Besides, its usually obvious when a metpahor is used, coz the meaning doesnt cahge eevn if it is taken literally. The point of the shabad is to show that no one is better than anyone else coz of ohysical/worldyly details - the meaning would hold whether taken literally or metaphorically. but look at these shabads Drmrwie no AwiKEnu sBnw dI kr bMd KlwsI] dhharamaraae no aakhioun sabhanaa dhee kar ba(n)dh khalaasee|| He asked the god of death, Dharamrai, to relieve all their suffering. and iqs no johih dUq Drmrwie ]1] this no johehi dhooth dhharamaraae ||1|| The messengers of the Righteous Judge of Dharma shall hunt them down. ||1|| If you want to read the rest etc just copy paste the line into sikhitothemax and itll find it for you. 156455[/snapback] 1- THe point being that metaphors are indeed used in Gurbani. As a matter of facts Gurbani uses MANY MANY. Just read the aarti. The sky is a plate Sun and moon are lamps How scientific is that? Gurbani at that place, was never meant to be scientifi, but Gurbani was metaphorically, making a point. That is my point. Please forgive me for relying on the english translation though (using clay instead of mould) As for Dharm Raj. There are many references in Gurbani of Dharmraj (or Jamdhoots) draging u with your kes: Which hair are these? As far as I'm aware, the physical hair isn't going with you since it's the atma, the jyot that will be going out of the body, and not the whole body (unless you're Guru Nanak Dev Ji where your body mysterically dissappears) Please let me knwo if the above are also to be taken literally, that the Jam /Dharm Rai will be dragging you with your kes. And what if you're bald, or have a disease which makes no hair come - will the 'messenger of death' not drag you then? Just a few things to ponder upon. As I said, I don't have a fixed opinion, and Dharm Rai might just be a literal judge waiting there for me to come and show me what notes 'Chitr and Gupt' have take on my life so far. But I'm not very sure. And Niether do I think it's sometihng we should be wasting life times discussing about either. But we need to be aware that there are many metaphors, and thus not everything should and could be taken literally. Bhull Chukk maaf Bhull chukk maaf

Considering recent scientific research showing that even WATER has a result on it's crystalls when words like 'love' are used, and when 'swearing' is used (Some Japanese researcher had a Zen buddhist say stuff, and some other stuff9 which showed how the crystalls changed according to the vibrations sent by the person. Considering we have quite a lot of water, what woudl the effect of Gurbani be on us? Although unconsciously it will definetly have an effect on us and our mind, but application of Gurbani is also EXTREMELY VITAL.

Bhai Sahib Bhai Gurdas Ji, one of the greatest Gurmukhs who have EVER placed the feet on this planet, have showed soo much humility. They have called thmelseves sacrifice to Gurmukhs, Gursikhs, those who follow the Guru and Vaheguru. With such a sense of humility, would this greatest SIkh ever allow anyone to touch hisfeet? would he EVER allow anyone bow to him? You have only above read about what he says about other Gurmukhs, you have yet to read about waht he considers himself as. Utmost humility can be seen from Bhai Gurdas Ji's Shabads The Rehit is clear on the issue. It's just about people quoting out of context and making the Shabad mean like they want it to. Bhai Gurdas JI is clear how he himself is a sacrifise to those Gurmukhs, and what he considers himself as - would he ever allow anyone to bow to him? Would he ever want anyoen to bow to him? It is onyl recently that people ahve begun accepting other people to bow to them by quoting Gurbani out of context. You cand many many quotes of bowing to the 'sant' (which Guru Arjan Dev ji refers to Guru Ram Das Ji in the: "Bhag hoa Gur-sant milaya" (Shabad Hazarey) Bhull chukk maaf karni Vaheguru JI Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh

So is the human body made out of clay? Randip Signh in the other thread quoted a lien from Gurbani saying that the potter has made the pottery (us) out of the same clay, i.e. without distinction of caste, creed etc. That's a perfect example of a metaphor. I, in that case disagree with him that Gurbani doesn't include metaphors, since Gurbani includes many metaphors. (if I understood what you said, He said that there are NO Metaphors, but if I misunderstood you, and you meant no metaphors in the description on afterlife, then i do not have any response). I do not have any opinion on dharm raj being metaphor or not at the moment

I've been thinking about that quite a lot as well, and although I havn't made any fixed opinion, it is plausible that Dharm Raj is a metaphor used in Gurbani (I believe it's roots can be found in Vedic literature)

And Why? Young asian youth in media spotlight is not only good for our community but also for our recognition. Very Nieve remark. Shame on you 156344[/snapback] I personally don't think the spotlight that Sikhs got in that movie was too good. Already people know very little about Sikhs. Now people thin we acknowledge and worship pics of Guru Nanak Dev Ji

There are many you will find, but most of them refer when quoting out of context. Ideally we should only be matha teking of Guru Granth Sahib Ji, SInce Guru Gobind SIngh JI and All Rehitnamey tell su to say: VAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA VAHEGURU JI KI FATEH! When meeting another Gursikh. No-where in the Khalsa Rehit are we told to touch anyone's feet, but we are told to greet the other Gurmukh by saing the Fateh (and I believe) by embracing them. In Gurbani you will find many quotes about 'niv niv lago pao jeeyo' (which will say exactly what you want, but quoted out of context) but as I understand them, is that Guru Sahib is basically telling us that We should have much humility when meeting another Gurmukhs, but as Guru Gobind SIngh ji emphasizes, this should be in the form of the FATEH Bhull chukk maaf

Sikhs are not against others wearing janyoo. Sikhs do not acknowledge the Ritual. BUt since you (Balbir SIngh) have already recieved all answers from Naam (since you seem to constantly say that through Naam you will find out, when being questioned) - what's the point of posting the question? I have a feeling the question is not a genuine one.

While reading Gurbani, you will understand more and more. You will be picking up new words if you focus and do paath slowly. Tomeh Chad koi avar na tyao. Man Jitay Jag Jeet etc. It is onyl when we focus and listen to the paath we cna understand (which to be honest, I don't always (or generally) do)

Give your advice. Let your friend go on the path they want to. SImple as that. You can only recommend and suggest, and not impose.

That's so nice bhainjee/bhaji! The picture is great and looks like an authentic old picture of the Darbar Sahib :lol:

*shoot* The website don't work

eyku ipqw eyks ky hm bwirk qU myrw gur hweI ] eaek pithaa eaekas kae ham baarik thoo maeraa gur haaee || The One God is our father; we are the children of the One God. You are our Guru. 'e' Again :lol:

Since the last letter in the above post is actually a 'hahha' h I'll start from h :lol: hm pwpI qum pwp KMfn nIko Twkur dysw ] rhwau ] ham paapee thum paap kha(n)ddan neeko t(h)aakur dhaesaa || rehaao || We are sinners, and You are the Destroyer of sins. Your abode is so beautiful, O Lord and Master. ||Pause|| 's' (s) for the next one :cool: Lets add some rules to make it harder: Only Rahao lines, since otherwise it's so easy , what do you think Heera Singh Ji?

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As Gursikhs we do not need to quarel about this, since it's completly irrelevant to our Sikhi whether they exist or not. We do not believe in superstitions, but whether ghosts and spritis exist, seriously doesn't matter.

lol u speak from the heart nice1 155516[/snapback] I think these situations need to be solved with Hosh rather than josh. Why has no-one actually mentioned involving the police? If the committe find out, the most they can do is fire him, which will take him to the next Gurdwara. Involvin the police will atleaast ensure their *****¤%¤%&/ learn a lesson for once.

Happy B-Day bhaji :lol: (I Know, a bit late )