Jump to content

Homosexuality in Sikhism


Recommended Posts

  • Replies 32
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

I do wanna say though, that if we had Gays in the sangat, that would be a very bad bad BAD thing.
i am not sure who wrote this, but there was someone (well a group) of gay gursikhs who do mass loads of paath (was it you Singh who said this).

anyway, they dont bother coming to gurdwara because they may be actually be beaten up.

remember, dharam raj will not call upon you and say "ah bhai sahib, you have done alot of paath, and your straight, you are mukath now."

he wont say "bhai sahib, lots of paath, sewa, just one thing, your gay, now dont look at me in that way or you wont get mukti. come to think of it, your gay, so chaurasi for you again!"

regards to the above, even if there were no gays in sangat, people will still be eyeing each other up. gay or not gay. you'll still have the 5 vices whereveer you go, and the mssion is to kill them in one life.

The reason that the girls sit on one side and the guys sit on the other is so that the guys don't "mess" with the girls sitting next to them, in which case they would be furthered from God

would you say that for langar? where girls and boys sit together? (well used to in the old days, i think there are some gurdwaras that do this still).

vedanti has said gays is wrong. but its law of nature, the sunrises, the sunsets, man cannot stop it, even if he tried. similarly, your either born gay or your born straight (some cases bisexual). it is said that the reason why one is gay is because in many joons they were of a different sex (so a girl you is a lesbian was a boy in so many of her previous janams) however, now a girl, she has got used to what she liked in the previous janam, hence some of what you did and liked in previous janam follows you into a current janam.

i am not saying its good to be gay, nor am i saying its wrong

gustaphi maaf

Link to comment
Share on other sites

" beauty is in the eye of the beholder"

attraction = illusion

some of us get trapped in the beauty of food, some of us get trapped in the beauty of clothes, for others its the beauty of men or beauty of women which they get caught in.

"Jio supnaa ar pekhnaa aise jag kau jaan. en mai kachh saacho nehee naanak bin bhagvaan"

"Recognise the world just as a seeing a dream. Nothing is true in it, O Nanak, apart from God alone."

Marriage to opposite sex = benefits:

1/ Balance Kaam

2/ Have kids (who will look after you and the Panth <_< )

3/ Spiritual partner - help you in Sikhi and following Guru's Hukam

4/ Physical partnership in life - women's virtues + man's virtues = advantage

Appreciate the world and everything but don't get caught into it.

Homosexuals to my understanding get caught up in the beauty of man/women (their own sex) - which = illusion of Maya

... not end of world... illusion of Maya is destroyed through:

1/ Gurbaani & Naam Simran

2/ Saadh Sangat & Sewa

3/ Waheguru's Kirpaa

We can either feed our illusion or we can try to get away with it. Feeding the illusion = through illicit films, television programmes which feeds images, sounds and thoughts to our minds... through listening to others talk about illicit things etc

Destroying it = hanging around with good Sadh Sangat, keeping in a spiritual environment, feeling Guru Ji and Waheguru's presence always

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I dont get this...I mean, they havent yet shown any proof of defects or differences in the structure of the brain in gay people(from wat ive learnt), so why is it even being considered an okay thingi? (sorry if I offend neone). Its just personal choice since most of them reach puberty and then realize they are gay I would think its coz of the media and stuff. Then, wouldnt it be Kaam? And from the above post, It sure does explain that it is FORBIDDEN in Sikhi.

(we had a similar discussion in class a while ago, and my fellow Christian classmates said that it IS fully forbidden in Christianity as well, plus they brought quotes from the New Testament, cant rem the verse n chap tho)

Bhul chook maaf

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Waheguroo jee ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo jee kee Fateh!

I'm not going to put my vote either way, but I just have a couple points to consider. First, its true that most gay people probably only know they are gay after puberty... but then the same goes with heterosexuals (most kids don't have "attractions" to others). However, genes have been shown in various animals to determine sexual preference.

But whats true is that our purpose here is to rise above our desires and lusts. But does that mean heterosexuality over homosexuality? I don't know... like I haven't seen ANY gurbani which accepts one type of "preference" over the other... and I haven't heard any sakhis either which refer to this...

Waheguroo jee ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo jee kee Fateh!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

im sorry but homosexuality is not a "choice". Do you really think homosexuals would "choose" to be classed as abnormal from soceity, many homosexuals are cut off from their families as a result of their sexuality. Many are isolated from their communities and cultures because its been drilled into soceity that gays are "wrong" and "unnatural". do u really think homosexuals like being insulted by friends/family/others. dont you think if it was a choice they would choose to be straight, marry the opposite sex, have children, walk down the road holding hands with the person they love, be accepted by their families, rather than go through the hassle that homosexuals go through.

So if homosexaulity is a choice. Please tell me when all of you woke up and decided you were straight?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

What about Love....

If someone truly loves, then they dont care about the gender, form, shape, caste, creed, culture, religion, la la la of the person/people that they love. They just love them, however they are... without judgements, without limits and barriers and conditions.

I want to emphasize that Im not talking about lust here. I think, any relationship gay or straight that is based on lust, is not what Sikhism subscribes to. Therefore I'm talking about love.

I'm sure many would agree that the best partnership someone could have, is with someone that they love. In this way both can grow spiritually together, have full trust in one another, be best friends as well as perhaps lovers (note: lovers is different than lusters for a reason).

If someone ends up falling in love with someone of the same sex, I dont see the harm with it, as long as its not about lust. If the focus is spiritual, then let it be... let things happen as Guru Ji makes them happen (Know this well, He himself is all).

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
 Share


  • advertisement_alt
  • advertisement_alt
  • advertisement_alt


  • Topics

  • Posts

    • lol dal panth Panj told me explicitly not to associate with Vadhbhag Singh Sodhi followers!
    • We have lamp (or Jyot) the pure unscented candle for a reason. Traditionally, Patis used candle light (jyot), so they could read SGGS in darkness. Light, elec didn't exist. Dhoop is used to attract the "Good spirits" but also keep freshness where Maharaj will be.  Interestingly and coincidentally I heard Sakhi a few dsys ago. During Dasa Pitha's time these souls were roaming the Earth and even Sangat noticed. Maharaj asked them "y u here?" They replied during recitation of SGGS and making Degh they didn't bother lighting candle. THAT WAS THEE ONLY REASON NO GATI WAS GIVEN TO THEM!!!  AUTHENTICITY NOT CHECKED I heard once on YT like 2 days ago.  If u apply dhoop in one room of your house twice a week u will notice a difference esp in the smell and freshness of that room. 
    • Sangat ji, With the hot weather as per Guru's Hukm, how can we look after our kes?  First of all the beard! Working in Construction, factory and any other heated environment I UNDERSTAND! At my workplace it's over 32 degree celcius and sometimes we have to lift 20kg ALL! DAY! My tips, regularly shampoo the beard during ishnan. APPLY OIL! The technique of applying oil is by rubbing it thoroughly in the roots. Pay attention to the noise esp on the chin. You will hear this "crosh crosh" noise. Keep rubbing oil until u can't hear it no more! This means the oil has blended in properly.  Second tip on beard, keep an extra kanga in your pocket. Every two, three hours give your beard a proper comb down to get rid of any sweat or stickiness. SECOND BENEFIT! Do this all 12 months every single day your beard will look like it's been professionally groomed. TRY IT! People will ask you "What gel u use? How can yer beard be naturally like that?" You can say all I use is coconut oil or whaeva oil but just comb the beard every 2-3 hours for a minute.  As for the kes, morning time get rid of all the gronjra (or knots - forgotten English word), in the morning. However, during evening comb down make sure you get rid of small remaining gronjra and comb yer hair nice and straight. You will feel soooo so relaxed. Yes our hair will go unnoticed due to Dastar, but our hair demands time and self grooming!So proper combing down, spending a good 15-20 mins most evenings is an absolute MUST!  Most evenings I let my hair down and cover hair with my parna for 2-3 hours so it gets to relax from the tying up.  FINAL TIP! We are Sikhs so we keep fighting and remember this! The tradition of Dastar and uncut hair started in India, where the weather is twice as hot. Everytime we bring this thought in the mind, Guru ji will bless us and make us feel cooled down by a notch.  Fateh.       
    • Been so much nindya and attacking Shastarvidiya since the 2000s, however if we look at gatka now it's still mostly as poor and poorly taught as it was back then, still morris dancing moves and still behzti moves in BBC shows about sikhi and vaisakhi. If people were going to attack shastarvidiya, wouldn't have made sense to improve gatka instead and make it more effective? Additionally, the Nihang Singh presence has improved greatly now, and the cracks within the the SGPC and affiliated jatha jathebandis are showing more greatly as panth becomes more knowledgable with dasam bani and itihas day-by-day, so much gyaan which was lost within panjabi sikhs during colonial times. In the 2000s, the groups were able to talk down this bani and  gyaan by associating it with  RSS and hindus, brahminwaad etc. Not working so well now is it? However with gyaan it would be also good for us to try and preserve our martial arts and keertan vidiya as well! More and more crazy keertan videos are coming out from jatha members that are being made fun of and making sangat annoyed and upset, on tiktok and instagram reels.  
    • Author Posted April 24   On 4/21/2025 at 2:43 PM, ipledgeblue said: sirr should not be nanga because keski is usually worn.   Sikhs can sleep nanga-sirr if they choose to . Being from Punjab, almost every Sardaarji i know (amritdhari or not) sleeps/showers with their hair uncovered. I don't think Guru Sahib asked us to wear Dastar to sleep and I don't think it is in SRM.   The idea of "keski being worn to sleep" is cos in Bollywood films (Bachna Ae Haseeno) Sikh characters usually tie a gol parna when sleeping since the actor's usually Hindu. So they gotta cover his head somehow or he'd have cut hair. Same reason Diljit wore a pagg to bed in the El Sueno vid. Only time they didn't do that was in Gadar with Sunny Deol which just looked odd tbh   What in the world? What sikh or even a decent human would base their knowledge of their culture or religion on a movie industry, that too Bollywood?  Believe me, no sikh ever said, I must cover my head becasue an actor did so in a movie. I've been doing it all wrong, I must start covering mh head because the sikh in that movie did.  Just because every panjabi and sardaar you know, does something, also doesn't make it right..  Follow the guru. And if you have a medical condition, then exemptions can be made.  Just admit it, because of my medical condition, I am not able to follow this rehit. Why are you getting everyone else to drop to your level?
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

Terms of Use