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Have you seen this dharmrai or this chitar gupt?  If not how can you assure me that they exist?  :)

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Guru ji in his bani mentions dharamrai and chitar gupt and also mentions their respective duties (Rehraas sahib). I dont know whether they look like humans or not but guru ji mentions their existence.

Only Bhagats and bhramgyanis can feel their presence, or people who know the ultimate truth (realized God) can "see" them.

This is what i feel.

Please correct me if I m wrong.

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Have you seen this dharmrai or this chitar gupt?  If not how can you assure me that they exist?  :)

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Guru ji in his bani mentions dharamrai and chitar gupt and also mentions their respective duties (Rehraas sahib). I dont know whether they look like humans or not but guru ji mentions their existence.

Only Bhagats and bhramgyanis can feel their presence, or people who know the ultimate truth (realized God) can "see" them.

This is what i feel.

Please correct me if I m wrong.

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Taking the Ultimate Truth in Consideration that "There is no other BUT God". who is them and they? Whom do i Fear? :)

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We are to fear nobdy if we realize the ultimate truth.

"Them" and "they" are part of God's play. Guru ji guide us to get rid of "them and they" and realize the ultimate truth by the path of Love and devotion.

I hope u know that I am refering to dharamrai,chitr guprt etc. with "them and they" here.

(I think u know all this and even better :) )

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Guru Nanak Ji spoke the language of the people.

Guru Granth Sahib ji uses the culture, mythology and practices of people (e.g. hindus and muslims) to explain the True Message.

For example Guru Granth Sahib ji refers to Heaven and Hell.  However, same time it says Heaven is where the Sangat is and Hell is separation from Waheguru.

THe concept of Hell in India is a place where there is extreme heat and fire.

The concept of Hell in Nepal is a place where there is extreme coldness and person freezes in pain.

Region to region these concepts meanings alter... who is right?

Gurbaani uses these concepts, imagery, metaphors to explain Sach (truth) to us.

Just like we would use examples from British culture, everyday things we do etc.

God gives life... God takes away life...

So it shouldn't be taken literely that there is a place like hell and heaven? what you said here gives me the ideas that living away from guru ji is like hell, caus your lost and have no guidence. I guess you might as well live in hell when your lost and confused. The flip side, realizing god is like being uplifted to higher place and free from pain and confusion. Am i understanding this right?

So then izrail is just a imagery used to show the consequences of falling away?

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Do you need to 'believe' in something for it to exist?

The word Izrael and Jamraaj have both been used in the Guru Granth Sahib to describe the Angle of Death.

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Really ? Can you give some quotes please :) ... i never came across it ... this is wicked... :)

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Page 315

Pauree, Fifth Mehl:

They take the noose in their hands, and go out at night to strangle others, but God knows everything, O mortal.

They spy on other men`s women, concealed in their hiding places.

They break into well-protected places, and revel in sweet wine.

But they shall come to regret their actions - they create their own karma.

Azraa-eel, the Angel of Death, shall crush them like sesame seeds in the oil-press. ||27||

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First Mehl:

Says Nanak, listen, O mind, to the True Teachings.

Opening His ledger, God will call you to account.

Those rebels who have unpaid accounts shall be called out.

Azraa-eel, the Angel of Death, shall be appointed to punish them.

They will find no way to escape coming and going in reincarnation; they are trapped in the narrow path.

Falsehood will come to an end, O Nanak, and Truth will prevail in the end. ||2||

btw sher_panjabi good thoughts :TH:

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Thats wicked.. thanks for the bani ! :cool:

Also cansomeone give me more information on Izrael .. from which religion did his name rise first...

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