Teen Suicide Bombers Bombed London

[Sony]

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London Bombs May Have Been Suicide Attacks By THOMAS WAGNER, Associated Press Writer

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LEEDS, England - New evidence suggests four suicide bombers, including at least three Britons of Pakistani descent, carried out the terror attacks in London, officials said Tuesday. Surveillance cameras captured the men as they arrived in the capital just 20 minutes before the explosions began.

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Police raided six homes in Leeds searching for explosives and computer files that would shed more light on what were believed to be the first suicide bombings in Western Europe. They arrested a man, identified by the British news agency Press Association as a relative of one of the suspected bombers.

A town councilor told The Associated Press that at least three of the presumed suicide bombers were British citizens of Pakistani ancestry.

One bomber was thought to be Shahzad Tanweer, a 22-year-old cricket-loving sports science graduate, and another was a teenager, Press Association reported.

On its Web site, The Times newspaper named Tanweer, as well as Leeds residents Hasib Hussain, 19, and Mohammed Sidique Khan, the 30-year-old father of an eight-month old baby. The newspaper said police were still trying to identify the fourth bomber.

Without citing sources, the Times said the mastermind behind the attacks as well as the bombmaker were still thought to be at large. Police found a "bomb factory" during the Leeds raids, the newspaper said.

Press Association said the men had driven a rental car to Luton, 30 miles north of London, and then boarded a commuter train to London's King's Cross station. Police closed Luton's train station and carried out a controlled explosion on a parked car, which the BBC reported had explosives.

Closed-circuit TV video showed all four men arriving at King's Cross by 8:30 a.m. on Thursday, about 20 minutes before the blasts began, Peter Clarke, head of the Metropolitan Police anti-terrorist branch, told a Scotland Yard news conference.

U.S. intelligence agencies are checking the names of the London bombers against their databases looking for any U.S. connection, President Bush told a group of chief executives at a private White House meeting Tuesday.

Tom Noonan, head of Atlanta-based Internet Security Systems, said the president described the bombings as suicide attacks during a meeting with members of the White House's National Infrastructure Advisory Council, a group of CEOs who provide advice about keeping important networks secure.

Two militant Islamic groups have claimed responsibility for the bombings, which killed at least 52 people on three subway trains and on a bus. Police had previously indicated there was no evidence of suicide bombings, suggesting instead that timers were used.

Although police stopped short of calling them suicide attacks, Clarke said "strong forensic and other evidence" suggests one of the suspects was killed in a subway bombing and property belonging to the three others was found at the location of the other blasts.

"The investigation quite early led us to have concerns about the movements and activities of four men, three of whom came from the West Yorkshire area. We are trying to establish their movements in the run-up to last week's attacks, and specifically to establish if they all died in the explosions," Clarke said.

The West Yorkshire region includes Leeds, and the homes of the three suspects from the city were among the six that were searched Tuesday.

Acting on six warrants, British soldiers blasted their way into an unoccupied, modest Leeds row house. Streets were cordoned off and about 500 people were evacuated. Hours earlier, police searched five homes elsewhere in the city.

Later Tuesday, police said a security alert was issued at Britain's House of Commons, but didn't say why. No evacuation had been ordered.

Mohammed Iqbal, a town councilor who represents the City-on-Hunslet section of Leeds, told AP that all of the homes raided in Leeds belong to "British citizens of Pakistani origin."

Three of the homes were in the neighborhood he represents, Iqbal said in a phone call with AP's office in Islamabad, the Pakistani capital. He said he had just met with police about the investigation.

"This is not good for Muslims," Iqbal said. "We have businesses here. There will be a backlash."

Several officials, including Foreign Minister Jack Straw, have said the attacks bore the "hallmark" of al-Qaida, and one of the questions investigators are presumably trying to answer is whether the four suspects had outside help in planning the attacks.

Jeremy Shapiro, director of research at the center on the United States and Europe at the Brookings Institution, said Europeans had been involved in suicide attacks in the Mideast, but he knew of no successful suicide bombings in Western Europe previously.

Pakistan's government has been a key ally in the war on terror, hunting down hundreds of al-Qaida suspects and turning them over to the United States. But as in most of the Islamic world, its citizens have been deeply opposed to British and American military action in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Police did not identify the four suspects believed to have been killed.

A senior security official, who has viewed the closed-circuit TV footage, told Press Association that the men were talking casually as they carried their bombs in backpacks at the King's Cross station.

Clarke said police had strong evidence that the man believed to have carried a bomb onto the subway train that exploded between the Aldgate and Liverpool Street stations died in the blast, and they were awaiting confirmation from the coroner.

One of the suspects had been reported missing by his family at 10 p.m. Thursday, and some of his property was found on the double-decker bus in which 13 died, Clarke said.

"We have now been able to establish that he was joined on his journey to London by three other men," he said.

Some witness accounts suggested the bus bomber may have blundered, blowing up the wrong target and accidentally killing himself. A witness who got off the crowded bus just before it exploded told AP he saw an agitated man in his 20s fiddling anxiously with something in his bag.

"This young guy kept diving into this bag or whatever he had in front of his feet, and it was like he was taking a couple of grapes off a bunch of grapes, both hands were in the bag," said Richard Jones, 61, of Bracknell, west of London.

"He must have done that at least every minute if not every 30 seconds," he said.

One theory suggested the attacker may have intended to leave his bomb on the subway but was unable to board because his coconspirators had already shut the system down.

Investigators also found personal documents bearing the names of two of the other men near seats on the Aldgate and Edgware lines. Police did not identify the men.

Leeds, about 185 miles north of London, has a population of about 715,000. About 15 percent of the residents are Muslim, and many come from a tight-knit Pakistani community, mostly from Mirpur, south of Islamabad in Pakistani-controlled Kashmir. Other pockets of the community are mostly Arab, coming from a variety of countries including Syria and Saudi Arabia.

The military, including a bomb squad, carried out the controlled explosion at the row house at 11:30 a.m. so detectives could enter the home in Burley, a neighborhood where public signs in storefronts and even a Church of England community center are printed in English and Arabic.

No one was in the house at the time of the raid, police Inspector Miles Himsworth said. Detectives were scouring it for explosives and other items, possibly computers, he said.

Khalid Muneer, 28, a spokesman for the Hyde Park Mosque in Leeds, said the community was surprised by the raids and police claims that the bombers may have come from there.

"That connection would surprise us all, even shock the whole community. We still think it's too early to say," he told AP, adding that Muslims in the area were not opposed to Britain.

"I've seen no calls in this area for jihad against British or American forces. You will not get that sentiment expressed around this mosque."

Cordons kept bystanders about away from the house in Burley and police helped arrange prayers scheduled at a nearby mosque to be moved to other mosques nearby, Himsworth said.

Police said their painstaking investigation was moving ahead, and warned that the death toll would continue to rise. Fifty-six people remained hospitalized Tuesday.

Forensics experts have said it could take days or weeks to identify the bodies, many of which were blown apart and would have to be identified through dental records or DNA analysis. Investigators said late Tuesday that 11 bodies have been identified.

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Associated Press reporters Beth Gardiner in London and Sadaqat Jan in Islamabad, Pakistan, contributed to this report.

[sikh supreme]

I dont believe they intended to bomb themselves. They probably were told by their recruiter that they were too place the bombs on the tubes or somewhere in london. But probably unknown to them the bombs had been placed with timing devices due to go off just before 9am.

However it just goes to show the chickens have come home to roost. This is a face of Islam the British Govt is now paying for allowing all these muslims into the UK.

The British when in India could have made the right decisions and given Sikhs an indepedant Sikhistan / Khalistan...especially since Sikhs helped sacrified their lives in battlefields for British Empire yet they were betrayed and instead of being granted a nation state for them.... another muslim nation of Pakistan was created. Muslims generally speaking are only loyal to other muslims and quran....they do not care about the wider humanity or good of all and the British whites are only now waking up to these facts.

[kurtas]

I dont believe they intended to bomb themselves. They probably were told by their recruiter that they were too place the bombs on the tubes or somewhere in london. But probably unknown to them the bombs had been placed with timing devices due to go off just before 9am.

However it just goes to show the chickens have come home to roost. This is a face of Islam the British Govt is now paying for allowing all these muslims into the UK.

The British when in India could have made the right decisions and given Sikhs an indepedant Sikhistan / Khalistan...especially since Sikhs helped sacrified their lives in battlefields for British Empire yet they were betrayed and instead of being granted a nation state for them.... another muslim nation of Pakistan was created. Muslims generally speaking are only loyal to other muslims and quran....they do not care about the wider humanity or good of all and the British whites are only now waking up to these facts.

108720[/snapback]

You should go to the police with all your theories as you obviously know more than everyone else.

Nice to read your stereotyped generalisations of Muslims. I wonder why some Sikhs get upset when people make generalisations about us ? I suppose the Nawab of Malerkotla, Nabi and Gabi Khan etc were exceptions to your stereotyped views.

[sikh supreme]

I dont believe they intended to bomb themselves. They probably were told by their recruiter that they were too place the bombs on the tubes or somewhere in london. But probably unknown to them the bombs had been placed with timing devices due to go off just before 9am.

However it just goes to show the chickens have come home to roost. This is a face of Islam the British Govt is now paying for allowing all these muslims into the UK.

The British when in India could have made the right decisions and given Sikhs an indepedant Sikhistan / Khalistan...especially since Sikhs helped sacrified their lives in battlefields for British Empire yet they were betrayed and instead of being granted a nation state for them.... another muslim nation of Pakistan was created. Muslims generally speaking are only loyal to other muslims and quran....they do not care about the wider humanity or good of all and the British whites are only now waking up to these facts.

108720[/snapback]

You should go to the police with all your theories as you obviously know more than everyone else.

Nice to read your stereotyped generalisations of Muslims. I wonder why some Sikhs get upset when people make generalisations about us ? I suppose the Nawab of Malerkotla, Nabi and Gabi Khan etc were exceptions to your stereotyped views.

108756[/snapback]

Right...and you want me to take you seriously ?

listen I really do not wish to have a slagging match with you but the way you are carrying on doing a good job for wanting confrontation.

People earn those stereotypes from experiences people have....it is up to those being stereotyped to show they are not what is being said about them. Those seterotyping should attempt to least educate themselves. And I can conclude that specially speaking most sunni / wahhbi muslims I have come across earn my distrust and suspicion.

And what stereotype of muslims have I offended you with? the fact that they are, GENERALLY SPEAKING, only loyal to other muslims and quran? What do you find offensive in that? Most muslims would agree with that statement actually so I dont know why you getting your knickers in a twist for.

[sikh supreme]

Anyways getting back to the topic before mr distractor "kurtas" butted in.

I believe the bombs were not intend to be used as suicide bombs as widely reported by british media....

1) Suicide attackers almost all the time leave video messages to say why they carrying out those type of attacks.

2)The guys had everything to live for and their parents thought they were going on a trip to London.One of them had even enrolled on a university course for this year.

3) If you wonna bomb your enemies and your muslims the first target would be jews. Why did they bomb aldgate and edgware rd stations which is muslim dominated area's of london.

4) One of the guys kept looking into his bag, as reported by one of the survivours of the bus bomb. Suggesting he was worried that the bomb was gonna go off in the wrong place and suggests he was trying to find a way to de-activate it.

5) Suicide bombs are usually carried in body strap's not rucksacks....wots the point when they could have left them in the carriages and got off without harming themselves.

6) Strong indication of timing device used cos of the bombs going off at same time...

And so on and so forth....

[mann_kaum_layee_qurbaan]

Just a thought, but my friend asked me this question:

Why is it that the Muslims who study the Quran 24/7 insist upon killing all the "kafirs" with suicide bombings of innocents and so forth, then all the Muslims, whose wives don't wear Hijab, Muslims who barely practice their faith always come and and say our faith is a faith of peace. My friend was wondering if these "peaceful" Muslims know more than these Jihadis who study the Quran inside out.....

If you look at the sikh movements, it has always been the people who are not attached to Gurbani that committed the mass murder of innocents, while the people who were attached to Gurbani, Baba Jarnail Singh Ji Khalsa, Sukha and Jinda, etc, always fought with compassion for humanity.

The majority of media, etc have been preaching that Islam is a religion of peace, I think it needs further review, because history and present-day situations are proving otherwise....

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From the second chapter(Surah) of the Quran: (5:51)

005.051

O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.

[cantlogin]

No holy text promotes killing innocent people or "kaafirs" (non-believers). Its the fanatic religious teachers who are responsible for spreading this cr*p.

[kurtas]

Anyways getting back to the topic before mr distractor "kurtas" butted in.

I believe the bombs were not intend to be used as suicide bombs as widely reported by british media....

1) Suicide attackers almost all the time leave video messages to say why they carrying out those type of attacks.

2)The guys had everything to live for and their parents thought they were going on a trip to London.One of them had even enrolled on a university course for this year.

3) If you wonna bomb your enemies and your muslims the first target would be jews. Why did they bomb aldgate and edgware rd stations which is muslim dominated area's of london.

4) One of the guys kept looking into his bag, as reported by one of the survivours of the bus bomb. Suggesting he was worried that the bomb was gonna go off in the wrong place and suggests he was trying to find a way to de-activate it.

5) Suicide bombs are usually carried in body strap's not rucksacks....wots the point when they could have left them in the carriages and got off without harming themselves.

6) Strong indication of timing device used cos of the bombs going off at same time...

And so on and so forth....

108845[/snapback]

Good reason to but in. It is people like you who get their kachere in a twist when people make stereotyped views about Sikhs.

1. Urrr no not neccessairly. Research the suicide bombers in Iraq.

2. Most people have everything to live for

3. Because the whole thing may not have been well planned.

4. How doe the survivor know the guy was trying to deactivate the bomb ? Is he/she an army expert on bomb disposals ?

5. Maybe they could not buy body strapping

6. So what ? you never heard of suicide pacts ? Maybe they could not get hold of hand triggers.

Carry on with your proverbial rubbish. Your theories are wishy washy. I am surprised you have not linked Mossad to the plot.....oh I forgot you have already done that a few days ago.

[Sony]

I CAN NOT BELIEVE THIS!! IS IT IMPOSSIBLE TO SPEAK ABOUT SOMETHING WITHOUT ARGUING? ESPECIALLY ON A TOPIC WHERE DOZENS OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN KILLED?

waheguru jio!!! this was posted not to go against muslims or a religion!! this was posted as a sad reality of how people are brainwashing the youth of today and to what extent they will go. here these fellows died while the people that made the bombs are off living somewhere...

BECOMING EXTREMES IS NEVER A GOOD ANSWER...

PLEASE STOP ARGUING.

THANK YOU

[kurtas]

I CAN NOT BELIEVE THIS!! IS IT IMPOSSIBLE TO SPEAK ABOUT SOMETHING WITHOUT ARGUING? ESPECIALLY ON A TOPIC WHERE DOZENS OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN KILLED?

waheguru jio!!!  this was posted not to go against muslims or a religion!! this was posted as a sad reality of how people are brainwashing the youth of today and to what extent they will go. here these fellows died while the people that made the bombs are off living somewhere...

BECOMING EXTREMES IS NEVER A GOOD ANSWER...

PLEASE STOP ARGUING.

THANK YOU

108884[/snapback]

Exactly so would it not be good for people to stop promoting conspiracy theories. People are dead and all certain people want to do is make stereotyped views about other faiths and promote their half baked conspiracy theories.