Interesting happenings at our Gurdwara...

[Guest SikhForLife]

When naam is mentioned it does not refer to a name, it is about a feeling. It doesn't mean to say a certain name physically, it just means that you remember him however you like, and he kept going on that one shouldn't be doing naam japna and so on. It disturbed me a great deal when he said this. We then did anand sahib, with Simran. Sangat jeeo, what are your feelings about this?

veerji i dnot want to get into this.. cuz i dont really know much.. but i just wanna say.. i have been taught the same thing from 5-6 different people... naam simran is all around us.. not just in a word.. its the creation of God... you are in a way doing that waheguru's simran if you are respecting people / beings.. and helping the needy.. and seeing God in everything and everytime/all day.. never forgetting him.. that doesnt mean always saying waheguru waheguru.. but the realization of what it means

[Pheena]

even if you are doing simran like a machine with no attention to it, it will help you (unlike recitation of bani without attention).

why?

because the dhun (sound, beat) of naam itself effects you to the very core. Remember the vibration of naam simran is pervading EVERYTHING in this universe. So even if you sit there and do simran without any thought to it int he world, it will still help you in the end, because that beat sticks in your mind and helps ur soul.

just like if you were to put on a tape of simran (saas giraas) in the background, 24/7 (even during sleep) it will effect you quite a bit, even if u dont pay attention to it (trust me ive tried this).

so in the end, sitting like a robot and doing bani over and over, not much of a positive effect (except maybe the ability to sit for a long time or have some kind of concentration excercise) but sitting like a robot and doing simran is better than not doing it at all (well actually same for bani) but is also good for you as it effects you down to ur core and if u notice even later on your lungs have that feeling of simran going on even if ur doing something else.

so if i sit there reciting Waheguru and my mind is wandering away in worldly things and im looking around at the clock to see when the hour is going to end. My simran having no love or devotion behind it, how exactly is that g

oing to help me??

I agree with you on that its better than nothing, but still sometimes even if ur doing simran without the mind, it is next to nothing. You do japp for your mind not the toung and not for god. The mind has to get involved at some point in naam jap.

To have the full benefit of naam Jap your mind must be involved and in attention to the naam. Reciting it like a Machine is mostly useless in my opinion. I just don't understand how can something in which the mind is not involved help the mind. I can agree that the naam jap like a machine is helpfull somewhat, but it is minisecule compared to naam japp done with your mind.

but i do feel what u mean by having simran playing 24/7, that does help as ur doing ur daiily duties. But i am refering to sitting down and doing simran for an hour.

[ms514]

Sat Sri Akal:

"let me tell you what naam is."

Any person with enough ego to think that he/she knows more than the Sangat or a Keertaniae...I would be a little careful around that person. This is how Kala Afganas are born.

To such people, there is only one question: "Have you met God?" Take it from there.

[akjforever]

Hanji, I agree. He took a cheap shot at the youth who had just done kirtan w/ Simran before he started speaking. I was enraged by the fact that he would put his personal views into his translations. We then did Anand Sahib w/Simran just to rub it in. He gave us a funny look as we did the Simran. These people hurt Sikhi rather than helping it. :umm: @

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

[S1ngh]

Kick their butt and tell them we don't need you here.. We have Guru Granth Sahib to guide us..

there are so many fake scholars around.. don't know whom to trust and stuff :umm:

[Mkhalsa]

Sikhforlife veer jee, i understand and respect your opinion, but that doesnt make it right, please try and support that opinion with bani.. you cant.

as for pheena, no disrespect veer jee, but you have yet to learn the ways of naam, I am not expert either but panj have blessed me with this gift and i have had sangat of great naam abhyaasi gursikhs who definitely do know naam. These kinds of things you learn, i am just trying to share. Once you do receive this naam, trust me the dhun of naam touches you, and I am sure many of my gursikh veers/bhens on this board would agree with me on that.

[Guest SikhForLife]

i didnt say i was right.. o well..

[Pheena]

Sikhforlife veer jee, i understand and respect your opinion, but that doesnt make it right, please try and support that opinion with bani.. you cant.

as for pheena, no disrespect veer jee, but you have yet to learn the ways of naam, I am not expert either but panj have blessed me with this gift and i have had sangat of great naam abhyaasi gursikhs who definitely do know naam. These kinds of things you learn, i am just trying to share. Once you do receive this naam, trust me the dhun of naam touches you, and I am sure many of my gursikh veers/bhens on this board would agree with me on that.

Mkhalsa: perhaps u r right veer ji.

As for calling that Kathavachik a false speaker i feel is rather pre-mature, without having a discussion with him about his message that he wanted to present to the sangat. It is very likely that he was misunderstood. I think before ya'll jump to conclusions and talk about slapping him or associating him with kala Afghan, those that were there when he spoke need to talk to him. But i wasn't there so i don't feel right accusing him of something that i did not hear.

[akjforever]

I was there, and by his body language you could tell that he was taking a shot at us. I was playing tabla with him, and he looked over to me and said let me tell you what naam is... He went out of his way to say this right after we had done Simran in the kirtan before he came on to do his thing. I don't think anyone else in the sangat cared because the majority of the sangat was monas.

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!