Bhai Bala Jee And Bhai Maradana Jee

[MajhelSoorma]

I thought suraj parkash granth by kavi santokh singh nirmala mentioned bhai bala ji? NO?

:lol:

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I am not sure, Maybe U r right.

[`KuMi´]

who is bha bala jee neva heard of him

[TeraRoop11]

Kumi Veerji:

Bhai Bala Ji is said to have accompanied Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji Maharaj on His later Udaasis, as Bhai Mardana Ji did. In this picture above, he is shown to be sitting to the right of Guru Sahib Maharaj, doing Chaur Sahib di Sevaa.

However, even if Bhai Bala Ji is 'fictitious' as some say, I do not see how it is destroying our history or our faith.

Anyone notice the physical similarities between him and Guru Sahib Ji in the picture?

bhull chuk maaf

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa! Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!

[>Bikramjit Singh<]

Bhai Bala is only mentioned in one Janamsakhi whereas Bhai Mardana is mentioned in all the Janamsakhis as well as in the Vars of Bhai Gurdas. The Bhai Bala janamsakhi was written by a sect called the Niranjanias. Bhai Handal was born in 1573 in Jandiala village. Bhai Handal was a disciple of Guru Amardas. Bhai He used to be a great sewak in the Guru's Langar and it is said that the Guru was impressed when he saw that Bhai Handal was sieving flour deep into the night for the langar. Guru Amardas appointed Bhai Handal to be his masand at the village of Jandiala. After Bhai Handal who devotedly served the Sikh cause his son called Bidhi Chand became his successor but he became infatuated with a muslim women, said to be of dubious character and much against the advice of local GurSikhs he married her. As this caused a great deal of consternation amongst the Sikhs instead of allowing himself to submit to the commands of the GurSikhs he became more egotistical and wrote a janamsakhi in which he belittled Guru Nanak by making Bhagat Kabir his Guru Nanak's Guru ( many encyclopedias in the west still sprout this nonsense which was taken by Trumpp a german missionary from the Bhai Bala janamsakhi ) and making his father Bhai Handal ever greater than Guru Nanak. In fact he went a step further by stating that Guru Nanak had married a muslim woman. This Bidhi Chand did in order to explain his own marriage to a muslim woman. Bidhi Chand wanted to increase his following even further so he set out to show in the janamsakhi that the Guruship which at this time was with Guru Ramdas had in fact decended from Bhagat Kabir to Guru Nanak and then to Bhai Handal and finally to him. In order to show this, the janamsakhi has a sakhi ( story ) where it is shown that in a previous life, Guru Nanak had been a oil seller in the court of Raja Janak and Bhai Handal had been a noble or royal personage. There is also a sakhi which relates to the birth of a Jat in the pargana of Batala who would be greater than Bhagat Kabir. Bidhi Chand clearly wrote this episode in order to show that Guru Nanak was prophesying the birth of his father Bhai Handal.

It would not surprise me if Kavi Santokh Singh wrote about Bhai Bala, this is because Kaviji pretty much wrote whatever anyone told him as fact and did not use any form of analysis or critical evaluation of any story with regard to whether it was in line with Gurbani or not.

Sardar Karam Singh's book 'Katik ki vaisakh' contains a very good analysis of whether Bhai Bala existed or not. He concludes he did not exist.

[N30S1NGH]

Pyare jio, most people believe Bhai Bala ji is an invention of the hindu right-wing groups. Sahib Siri Guru Nanak dev ji was only accompanied by Bhai Mardana ji. I cannot think of one sakhie of Sahib Siri Guru Nanak dev ji which has bhai Bala ji in it. They are all with Bhai Mardana ji only.

Even if above is true...!.

what possible "malice intentions" hindu right-wring groups had in order to create 2nd companion of sri guru nanak dev ji - bhai bala ji ?

i don't get it...veer ji, please enlighten the sangat.

[Jai Tegang!]

dark day of the panth....erasing the names of our great Gursikhs of the past.

so who's next Khalsa ji, did Baba Banda singh exist or no?

[N30S1NGH]

dark day of the panth....erasing the names of our great Gursikhs of the past.

so who's next Khalsa ji, did Baba Banda singh exist or no?

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true ..it's sad...

[crayzy]

o yea

people have already somehow decided that there are no sants/mahapursh/brahmgiani etc

and have started the mentality of other religions that only *our* Gurus were brahmgiani etc

its v worrying for the future, especially as these ppl have the loudest voice and are the most forceful with their opinions

[The Khalsa Fauj]

Why was an entity named Bala created? Who wrote the Bhai Bala JanamSakhi?

It was written during the time of Harbhagat Niranjanee-aa. This is the same <banned word filter activated> who had Bhai Taru Singh Ji Poohla arrested. harbhaga wrote this janamsakhi to prove that his previous ancestor bhai hundal was greater than SatGuru Guru Nanak Maharaaj Ji. To make his false stories valid, he said that the Sakhi book was written in front of Guru Aangad Maharaaj Ji and writing was done by Pairaa Mokha. Bhai Bala was telling the Sakhis of to SatGuru Guru Aangad Maharaaj Ji. Bala is written to be Sandhu Jatt from village of Guru Nanak Maharaaj Ji when there were no Sandhus in Nankana at that time. For more on this, please read Kattik Kay Visaakh by first Sikh historian called Bhai Karam Singh Historian. He was the first Sikh historian.

[>Bikramjit Singh<]

dark day of the panth....erasing the names of our great Gursikhs of the past.

so who's next Khalsa ji, did Baba Banda singh exist or no?

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I think you should blame Bhai Gurdas for this because for some reason he 'erased' this great Gursikh Bhai Bala from history. Bhai Gurdas mentions even minor followers of Guru Nanak but not Bhai Bala. Could it be because there was no such person? This is strange because according to the Bhai Bala Janamsakhi, Bhai Bala plays a prominant role in Guru Nanak's life.