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whats amazing is ... start a post on nindiya or chuglee and it gets the most views on the forum. The forum should start letting companies advertise in any of these threads - i think it'd make a lot of money. I mean over 1,000 views on this thread which has been opened a few days, where some of the amazing posts in the Gurbani and Inspiration forums are barely viewed a hundred times in a month.

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those of you who have 'hidden agendas'... please do not post on the forumz.. that is not the KHALSA way... and kurtas... please relax with your pictures... you wanna say 'down with sikh students camp, they have bhangra there... Sikhs don't listen to bhangra'... why don't u take a look at urself... do you think Sikhs should post those nonsense pictures?... and i'm sure u got a lauff outta it..

I have not said down with Sikh Camps. I have said Bhangra should not be part of Sikhi Camps. If people want to go paintballing, go bowling, go-carting then that is fine but bhangra is a no whther you like it or not. Are these Sikh Camps or Punjabi culture camps ? Are we going to allow Sikhi camps to evolve into COE type "Nine O'Clock" services ?

The pictures were actually to illustrate that you can have debate and fun at the same time and having fun does not mean doing bhangra. I guess http://www.sikhtoons.com/ is not a site you visit very often.

I guess it is pointless telling those at the Shaheed Guru Arjan Dev Ji mela not to have belly dancers and to complain when our youth block roads after Nagar Kirtan events. The youth will turn around and say we went to xyz Sikhi Camp and the Singh there allowed us to dance and even joined in.

if Sree Guru Nanak Dev Jee was here in physical form rite now.. he'd kick ALL our buttz...

Do you think Guru Nank Dev Ji would be ok with the bhangra at Sikhi camps ?

whats amazing is ... start a post on nindiya or chuglee and it gets the most views on the forum. The forum should start letting companies advertise in any of these threads - i think it'd make a lot of money. I mean over 1,000 views on this thread which has been opened a few days, where some of the amazing posts in the Gurbani and Inspiration forums are barely viewed a hundred times in a month.

True same with threads on destruction of our heritage and beadbi. They do not evoke too many responses or views.

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kurts jee... I didn't give an opinion whether i was FOR the bhangra or AGAINST it... agreed, that bhangra shouldn't be apart of Sikh Camps... but the actions of these people do not reflect on the thoughts and beliefs of the camp organizers.. if i went to khalsa camp and started smokin weed and recorded it, and put it on a website, do u think it would be fair to say Khalsa Camp is pro-ganja? it definitely would not..

The pictures were actually to illustrate that you can have debate and fun at the same time and having fun does not mean doing bhangra.

sorry singh.. i didn't know ur intentions behind those pictures...

i want to ask what in your guyz opinion is so wrong about bhangra?... lets compare bhangra to lets say, paintballing.... u have fun doing both.. u do it with a group of people... its good exercise (whether u want to admit it or not)... it kills time... the only thing with bhangra, is that people don't get hurt, other then paintballin where we come home all bruised up... i don't think bhangra itself is completely wrong.. its the thought behind it that determines whether its wrong or not.. i don't know the song they were singing... i don't know the words or what it means.. but if they're jus havin a lauff, just a few guyz, as an earlier post said, in the boyz rest area ... then its not something i see as wrong... its jus guyz bein guyz, and doin pangay... which is all good sometimes...

now if the camp was OPENLY doin bhangra... as in the whole camp get together to have a jam.. then thats not too smart.. u can't label the whole camp for the actions of a few individuals who were doin pangay in their room.. i'm sure the camp didn't have 'bhangra' in their schedule for the week...

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I will try to explain what is wrong. Problems always begin off in a small way. If they go unchecked then they spread like cancer. Like the corruption within the SGPC, it started off small but today we have prospective members giving out sharab and drugs to buy votes. If someone had stamped down on it and made it clear that it was unacceptable then maybe we would not have all these fussar panthis running the SGPC.

So we have some guys doing bhangra (not one or two but a whole group) at a Sikhi camp. Tomorrow they will say we want to do bhangra at the Nagar Kirtan. As the problem has not been dealt with it escalates and people begin to link bhangra with Sikhi. Slowly we get to the point where idiots get together after a Vasaikhi mela (like what occured in Wolverhampton at the weekend) and damage the reputation of Sikhs by indulging in bhangra, the associated drinking and other bad anti-social behaviour. People stop differentiating between Sikh and Punjabi culture so they think drinking alcohol and singing about lambra di now, the pagri of jeonna morr etc etc is OK and in tune with Sikhi.

if i went to khalsa camp and started smokin weed and recorded it, and put it on a website, do u think it would be fair to say Khalsa Camp is pro-ganja? it definitely would not..

There is a difference between an isolated case and say if a whole group of you smoked weed. Some people may enjoy smoking ganja and think it is a good laugh but it would not fit in with a Sikhi camp.

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Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh.

I just want to say i have been to the camp in question. I have friends who go there. I have family that goes to it.

I have heard many things about this camp. Good and bad. Unfortunetly the bad outweighs the good. It is a shame because i am sure that is not the intention of the organisers to spread their manmat.

I apologise but I dont see how someone from canada can comment on this camp. Have you been there?

If my friend is doing something that is wrong i will point it out. I wont hide and pretend the issue doesnt exist. Many people are uncomfortable with the goings on. Many have pointed out rifts amongst certain individuals.

The biggest problem is that we are trying very hard to get our youth back into Sikhi. Everyone has different ways of doing this. What we fail to understand is we can try hard, please, apease or whatever but only Guru Ji can actually bring someone into or back to Sikhi. Why do we think we can do anything? Do we really believe if we make mone realise we are chilled out they are being shown the correct way? By the way telling the mona its ok to have sex with a prostitute is not chilling out.

Talking on the monas level is all good. BUT lets not give the mona a false hope. Guru Ji taught us to bring our heads on our hands. Lets not pretend its easy. Lets teach them Sikhi is hard and show them by leading by example. Not by missing our nitnem and saying 'its ok Guru Ji wont love me any less.'

Personally on the issue of bhangra my opinion is that we should show our youth that Sikhi is not the same as Panjabi culture. I heard a bibi recently talk of why she left sikhi for another religion. She was brought up in panjabi culture and had it all mixed up with Sikhi. She thought it was all one. Her problems were all panjabi culture related. The answers were all there for her in Sikhi, but people kept confusing her. This for me is enough to say we must do our best to distance the two.

The camp is arranged every year at the same time as the Khalsa camp. It is a ploy of the organisers that they should clash so that the Singhs dont turn up.

At the end of the day its very simple, if you care then you should take time out and be there. If you cant because you will make up 15million excuses then why even bother talk about it? Lets all work together, why the splits? Lets all go to as many camps as possible and lead by example. We should point people out if they are wrong. And we all get good sangat.

Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh.

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clearly its that time of the month

oh n by the looks of it that video was made before the camp started.... so it was a concert..... oh my gosh

Looks like the only person for who its time of the month is you....u sound so <admin-cut>... LOL.gif

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Let us keep this in perspective:

1) OK This was a Sikh camp and really they should stick to Sikhi.

2) Just sounded like a group of guys having a bit of fun, and it seemed harmless....ok it shouldnt be done at Sikh camp, but hey we are not Islamic fundamentalists...we are tolerant funloving Sikhs.

3) Don't Blow this out of all proportion, because you dont really know where this video was shot.

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