Sri Guru Singh Sahib Gurdwara Southall Elections Latest

[wjkk wjkf]

Cant say I'm surprised by this... It's only gonna change if get off our butts and change it! How else do we expect change...It dont just happen people!

[Harmeet_Singh]

The whole point of voting is that we get of our <admin-profanity filter activated> and vite for change. But then again why are we suprised when the countries favourite newspaper is The freaking SUN. They should introduce IQ tests for anyone who wants to vote.

[JagtarSinghKhalsa]

It is with great sadness that i annoucne Himmit Singh Sohi has won the election by approx. 300 votes.

This is a terrible day for all the sangat.

Understand the margin of 'victory' is very small. Less than 5% of the vote.

There is also talk of 'proof' that up to 1,500 'illegal' votes may have been cast and an official investigation may take place - possibly by the Charity Commission.

If all the 'illegal' votes are disqualified by the Charity Commission the final outcome is likely to be very different.

Please keep everyone updated on developments this week.

A speedy response/investigation from the Charity Commission is essential.

Irrespective of the final result - the Opposition has shown there must be BIG changes in the way Sri Guru Singh Sabha Gurdwara is managed on behalf of the Sangat.

[JagtarSinghKhalsa]

As requested from the Charity Commssion web site:

What complaints will the Commission take up?

6. The Commission's powers of intervention are specifically designed for use in circumstances where there is some grave, general risk to a charity's interests and are designed principally to protect the charity and its assets. Complaints that the Commission will take up as regulator are, generally speaking, ones where there is a serious risk of significant harm or abuse to the charity, its assets, beneficiaries or reputation; where the use of our powers of intervention is necessary to protect them; and where this represents a proportionate response to the issues in the case.

7. We will look to complainants to show good reason, backed with evidence, for concerns that they raise with the Commission. Except where it is clearly inappropriate to do so, we will expect complainants to have tried first to resolve their concern directly with the charity before involving the Commission.

8. By "harm" we mean:

- serious detriment to the people or causes the charity serves;

- loss or misuse of significant assets or resources; and

- serious damage to the reputation of a charity or charities generally.

9. Circumstances in which we would see serious risk of harm include those where there is evidence of the following:

- fraud or criminality;

- maladministration putting significant assets or funds at risk;

- the charity's assets being applied in significant breach of the terms of the governing document;

- trustees acting in significant breach of the provisions of the charity's governing document or of charity or trust law;

- risk of the charity being brought into serious disrepute, for example through association with public disorder or links to terrorist organisations;

- the administration of the charity having broken down to such an extent that it is not working effectively;

- the trustees seriously misleading the public, or the Commission, or others with an interest in the charity (eg funders, beneficiaries or employees) about matters of material importance;

- adequate accounts not being kept;

- trustees receiving unauthorised benefits from the charity;

- fund-raising or administration costs that are excessive; or

- the charity undertaking improper political activities.

[Guest militant singh]

i was impressed with malhis campiagn ,nice hoodies and t shirts but im outraged at himmat singh and party THEY LET HINDUS VOTE as the 'sher' party want 2 help promote the freedom movemnet and khalistan the HIndus of southall cant take that and turned out in thier HUNDREDS yesterday 2 vote an argument broke out with 'samra' himmats right hand man and another 1 of himmats boys over this thier reaction was so what they can vote SADH SANGAT JIYO HOW CAN WE LET HINDUS VOTE WHY?????????WHY SHOULD THEY HAVE INFUENCE OVER OUR GURDWARE - U WANA KNW WHY IL TELL U Himmat and co are VERY GD and i mean very gd friends with local hindu presits and hindu business man when thee hindus hear of KHALISTAN or SIKH FREEDOM they cant take it and then turn out 2 vote 4 massand himmat who lets hindus vote DO U C SIKHS VOTING 4 MOSQUE COMMITEES ??no, so why are they allowed the hindu agenda in this is very big ,I reckon if these hindus hadnt voted and if illegal votes were not csat along with double votes sher party would have won im not saying sher are saints but they would have been better than hiammt and co who with the help of HIndu leaders are crushing the sikh freedom movemnet in southern england..........................................by no means should a hindu be allowed 2 vote gurdwara concerns the sikh community not gangu baman and co .................................himmat won thourgh cheating ,intimidation ,illegal membership, and the hindu agenda.................let me give this message 2 his thugs u can intimidate all you like but 1 day you will be caught out in 1 of your dodgy dealings and u will pay 4 ur sins ...........................Sadh Sangat we need an action plan 2 throw out the massands NO MATTER HOW MANY ELCETIONS WE DO HE WONT MOVE AND WILL ALWAYS FIND A WAY 2 CHEAT AND WIN ......Sangat should protest 4rm ALL OVER THE UK AND OVERTHOW the baaj party ..........

[SaRpAnCh]

we all knw about the bollywood stuff himmat and co allowed,and hw he and other youth haters get sikhs arrested by false accusation os chian stealing- i have obtained a copy of an incident report tht was due 2 be aired on akash radio a few weeks back but due 2 unforseen reasons wasnt . Sikh youths assaulted in Havelock Gurdwara

On 21st August Ramdev came to Sri Singh saba Gurudwara, he was allowed into the Gurudwara also he was allowed to do his ‘ bhajan ‘. The committee was well aware of his arrival since they were the ones that invited him. When he arrived he was wearing a orange linen cloth around his body and he was inappropriately dressed. At the main entrance, when swami Ramdev arrived, several young Sikhs were pushed back by security as they opposed his presence in the Gurudwara. The reason for the opposition to Ramdev was because he is well known to be a RSS agent. He is the main tool of propaganda for the RSS network, he is known as the symbol of Hindutva. Charitable money that is given by his followers goes into actively funding RSS activities worldwide.

As the youths peacefully protested to let their opposition be known, they were pushed back by members of the committee and security of the Havelock Gurudwara. As this was going on women were bowing down, doing matha tekh and rushing to hold his hold onto his body parts as though if he was a god like figure. The committee then rushed Ramdev upstairs and took him for a tour. As this was happening the young sikh youths sat down within the diwan hall. 10 minutes after, Ramdev was escorted into the diwan hall and subsequently all the sangat that was waiting in a line to matha tek was immediately pushed out the way to make way for swami Ramdev to matha tek first as though he had priority over the sangat. Objecting to this atrocious act, a sikh youth stood up and questioned this action by saying “who is he to push sangat out the way and matha tek first? Everyone is equal”. Himmat singh Sohi tried to dismiss the matter as not important. Then the Sikh youth boy protested about this and as soon as he got up the committee members held him by his arms forcibly pushed him out of the diwan hall into one if the fire exits next to the kirtan stage. While this was happening several other youths intervened to help the innocent Sikh being assaulted. Another young sikh sitting down was horrified by this act, he was a gurusikh and would not tolerate this behavior inside the diwan hall. He was dragged from behind by committee members by his dastaar and the chakar on his dastaar. They was also pulling on his kirpan strap. The sangat witnessed this happening and some of them got up to stop this and went to he back exit to see what was happening. At this point in time, approximately 10 – 11 sikh youths were in the stairs where they were physically assaulted by security and committee members.

The gursikh was pushed and held against the wall of the stairs and was threatened with verbal abuse by security guards who themselves were not gursikhs and were self-confessed swami Ramdev supporters.

2 other youths were confronted in the joraghar by 3 security guards who threatened to throw them out and call the police. The youths refused to bow down to the commands set out by the security men. Then the so called “chief of security” who does not have the appearance of a sikh, tried to lecture these Sikhs about their own religion. The young Sikhs would not take notice of what he said and was defiant in the face of threats of police being called. the police arrived and were confused by the situation because the had no understanding of Sikh affairs. Half the youth had left the Gurudwara premises by now as to not cause anymore commotion. Upon hearing this several other youths arrived at the Gurudwara to find the youths who were throw out of the diwan hall in the car park being physically manhandled.

As Ramdev was leaving some of his followers were actually saying ‘Jai Mata’,which is clearly not sikh and shouldn’t be allowed to be sung in gurdwara premises outside the front entrance of the gurdwara and were praising him in the manner of a god.An elder youth tried to enter the gurdwara premises to question the committee and security members of why young Sikhs were being thrown out on the account of ramdev arriving.By then there was quite a large gathering outside the gurdwara in favour of the young youths.They denied any anti gurmat activites taking place and the young man was denied entry to the gurdwara and was also escorted off the premises.The police were then again called by security members,the police said it’s a committee matter and that the committee decides what goes on inside the gurdwara,even after several minutes of explanation to police they still took the committees side.The police than said to the youths to disperse as the security had lied and told the police that the youths were armed and ready to fight.The security than in panjabi said whoever dares to oppose us and step up to us will face the consequences.The youths than did a jakara and walked off the gurdwara premises,as the police does not knw about sikh affairs they had no choice but to side with the committee.Every sikh youth who even slightly looked like they opposed ramdevs presence was thrown out of the gurdwara in a manner that is not acceptable,is this what sikhi has come to today committees throwing out young Sikhs and giving RSS supporters VIP status in guru ghars.Ramdev is a symbol of RSS,and actively funds the RSS which carries out anti Sikh activities,is this how low we have got to funding the very people that destroy our faith? Below are the sequence of events :

• Ramdev had programme at Havelock Gurdwara

• Youth oppose his arrival, and are pushed away form main entrance.

• Ramdev arrives in diwan hall, sangat waiting to matha tek is pushed out the way just for him is he special?

• Youth oppose this move and confront committee,

• Committee/security manhandle and assault youth in back exits, young youths are grabbed by turbans

• Police are called but refuse to get involved

• Some youths leave, and elder youth arrive but are also denied entry

• Ramdev leaves Hindu slogans are heard being shouted by his followers

• Youth go home security threatens and think they have won

• This is not the only incident that has taken place against young Sikhs at sri guru Singh sabha below are a list of incidents.

• Youths were previously arrested under false allegations of stealing chains from a drunk woman who they threw out of the Gurudwara, and spent time in police cells for 24hrs,but were later released as they were innocent.

• A few weeks later allegations of them drinking and looking at girls in the Gurudwara arise.

• Youth are denied jora ghar di seva at park ave and Havelock Gurudwara.

• Are regularly talked to in a rude manner by security and committee. The security guards are not Gursikh but mostly with haircuts and have symbols like strings on their arms, so who are they to lecture young Sikh youths.

Now we ask is this what sikhi is????????? Is this right that sikh youths are being treated like this???????????Why

Note: everything stated above is true and there were hundreds of sangat that witnessed this. Himmat sohi crew need 2 be thrown out he paid thugs 2 come on election day 2 intimidate sangat and opposition ,then went with the glassy junction to a 'session'

[wjkk wjkf]

i was impressed with malhis campiagn ,nice hoodies and t shirts but im outraged at himmat singh and party THEY LET HINDUS VOTE as the 'sher' party want 2 help promote the freedom movemnet and khalistan the HIndus of southall cant take that and turned out in thier HUNDREDS yesterday 2 vote an argument broke out with 'samra' himmats right hand man and another 1 of himmats boys over this thier reaction was so what they can vote SADH SANGAT JIYO HOW CAN WE LET HINDUS VOTE WHY?????????WHY SHOULD THEY HAVE INFUENCE OVER OUR GURDWARE - U WANA KNW WHY IL TELL U Himmat and co are VERY GD and i mean very gd friends with local hindu presits and hindu business man when thee hindus hear of KHALISTAN or SIKH FREEDOM they cant take it and then turn out 2 vote 4 massand himmat who lets hindus vote DO U C SIKHS VOTING 4 MOSQUE COMMITEES ??no, so why are they allowed the hindu agenda in this is very big ,I reckon if these hindus hadnt voted and if illegal votes were not csat along with double votes sher party would have won im not saying sher are saints but they would have been better than hiammt and co who with the help of HIndu leaders are crushing the sikh freedom movemnet in southern england..........................................by no means should a hindu be allowed 2 vote gurdwara concerns the sikh community not gangu baman and co .................................himmat won thourgh cheating ,intimidation ,illegal membership, and the hindu agenda.................let me give this message 2 his thugs u can intimidate all you like but 1 day you will be caught out in 1 of your dodgy dealings and u will pay 4 ur sins ...........................Sadh Sangat we need an action plan 2 throw out the massands NO MATTER HOW MANY ELCETIONS WE DO HE WONT MOVE AND WILL ALWAYS FIND A WAY 2 CHEAT AND WIN ......Sangat should protest 4rm ALL OVER THE UK AND OVERTHOW the baaj party ..........

Yeh lets do it! when do you propose we do it?

[truekhalsa]

Keeping this short and to the point..i am sure it is obvious to neutral observers reading relevant negative posts in relation to Himmat Singh would agree that the individuals responsible for writing these totally make believe posts are sad deranged and confused souls, whose sole objectives are not personal,but financial,how dispicable! A man of Himmats stature and integrity,having done so much for the community as a whole,cleared the gudwara of over 2million in debt,put sikhs on the map in many positive progressive ways,been a good ambasidor for the sikh koum and much more deserves more credit and respect.

The wrong doings of all those concerned relating to the lion party were clear to see for all those present. Such a obvious blatent and premeditated and funded campaign of disruption,Intimidation and disorder. WHY WERE THEIR BLACK SECURITY GUARDS WEARING LION TSHIRTS PRESENT? WHY WERE MUSLIM BOYS SEEN ROAMING AROUND WITH CERTAIN LION GROUPS MEMBERS ON SITE LET ALONE TRYING TO INTIMIDATE THE SANGAT ? The persons responsible for this total ill -judged actions were oblivious to the fact that women and children were present and the potential to cause concerns with the attending members was a reality. Mali is a firm believer of ' everyone has a price' and ' SOLD'. I hope he can live with his conscience.To sink to the depths he and his allies have is unfortunate.

Thankfully with the blessing of the guru..the election day went without incident ,even though attempts were clearly made wholehartdly by lion group members to the contrary.

Congratualtions to the baag party members all your hard work , tolerence , patience and genuine efforts have, with the lords blessings been rewarded. Lets hope with the sangats blessings, the continuing focus of the present commitee the SSSGS goes from strength to strength. Finally for those who know who this refers to please for the positive development of the koum , dont let your judgement be clouded by your quest for greed ,recognition and purely financially motived objectives,stick to running your strip joints and finding loop wholes in the tax return policies which benifit the nation as a whole.

[Punjab1701]

I am extreamly shocked to hear fellow brothers and sisters saying that hindus should not be allowed to vote in gurudwara elections.

Basically 2 points, firstly the sikh relegion originated from Hinduism and Guru Teg Bahadur gave his life to save the Hindu and Sikh religion.

Secondely, it says numersous times in the guru granth sahib that the gurdwara doors are open to everyone, and when becoming a member of the gurudwara you actually state that you belive in the gurus.

[Guest militant singh]

I am extreamly shocked to hear fellow brothers and sisters saying that hindus should not be allowed to vote in gurudwara elections.

Basically 2 points, firstly the sikh relegion originated from Hinduism and Guru Teg Bahadur gave his life to save the Hindu and Sikh religion.

Secondely, it says numersous times in the guru granth sahib that the gurdwara doors are open to everyone, and when becoming a member of the gurudwara you actually state that you belive in the gurus.

excus me mate strat a topic on hindusim came 4rm sikhism and ull get the ansewr we ddnt come 4rm hindus ok u mus be an RSS agent....2ndly gurdwara elections concern the sikh community not the hindu community they are NOT alloed 2 vote 4 our religious instutions,9th guru died 4 human rights not co we acme 4rm hindus - we hve no link with the hindu faith in sikhi....u wana argue about this im ready

Keeping this short and to the point..i am sure it is obvious to neutral observers reading relevant negative posts in relation to Himmat Singh would agree that the individuals responsible for writing these totally make believe posts are sad deranged and confused souls, whose sole objectives are not personal,but financial,how dispicable! A man of Himmats stature and integrity,having done so much for the community as a whole,cleared the gudwara of over 2million in debt,put sikhs on the map in many positive progressive ways,been a good ambasidor for the sikh koum and much more deserves more credit and respect.

The wrong doings of all those concerned relating to the lion party were clear to see for all those present. Such a obvious blatent and premeditated and funded campaign of disruption,Intimidation and disorder. WHY WERE THEIR BLACK SECURITY GUARDS WEARING LION TSHIRTS PRESENT? WHY WERE MUSLIM BOYS SEEN ROAMING AROUND WITH CERTAIN LION GROUPS MEMBERS ON SITE LET ALONE TRYING TO INTIMIDATE THE SANGAT ? The persons responsible for this total ill -judged actions were oblivious to the fact that women and children were present and the potential to cause concerns with the attending members was a reality. Mali is a firm believer of ' everyone has a price' and ' SOLD'. I hope he can live with his conscience.To sink to the depths he and his allies have is unfortunate.

Thankfully with the blessing of the guru..the election day went without incident ,even though attempts were clearly made wholehartdly by lion group members to the contrary.

Congratualtions to the baag party members all your hard work , tolerence , patience and genuine efforts have, with the lords blessings been rewarded. Lets hope with the sangats blessings, the continuing focus of the present commitee the SSSGS goes from strength to strength. Finally for those who know who this refers to please for the positive development of the koum , dont let your judgement be clouded by your quest for greed ,recognition and purely financially motived objectives,stick to running your strip joints and finding loop wholes in the tax return policies which benifit the nation as a whole.

u say the statment 4rm sikh youths was a lie well god is witness tht evryfing stated is tru and nufin but da truth .sadh sangat her we have new member on da forum sent by himmat and co well 'tru khalsa' u r defending the beadbi himmat did with bollywood,ramdev and corruption and the thuggery he reps and corruption he reeks of....you ma man are a lie.. u go on about black security guys well why dnt u mention the thugs himmat bought 4rm glassy junction and the illegal dons he bought 2 intimidate young sikh girls and boyz with lion markings on thier clothing and the illegal double voting he did and when the illagl voter got wacked up by singhs ...no u wnt mention none of the beadbi stuff will u cos u have been sent by himmat,samra,johal- wine store guy selles ciggerrtes and alcolhol wearing a kirpan,,, aNd tht scoorge garcha the money maker secretary THESE MANS NEED 2 BE OVER THROWN...im not sayin sher are saints but at least they recognize the poential the youth have and respect them and dnt call bolywood 2 srtip at gurdwara