Pritam Singh Sekhon

[proactive]

yes everyone knows jasbir rode is a weak man. he is not a cat as such. just couldnt face torture in jail. so he came out with puran azadi in india. he is pro khalistani, just couldnt face the heat at the time.

That doesn't seem to be correct. If he couldn't face the heat in 1988 when the Khalistan movement was at it's height and most of the Punjab police and government officials had lost all hope of retaining Punjab in India then how can all of the sudden be a Khalistani now and was for Puran Azadi in 1988. Jasbir Singh Rode should have come out in favour of Khalistan on his release instead of playing games by coming up with Puran Azadi in India. How can you have Puran (complete) Azadi yet still be a part of the oppressive Indian state? Majority of Sikhs were waiting for Rode to make a ground breaking announcement when he was released so that the Khalistan movement would gain a further impetus. Instead he came with an announcement which was similar to what the discredited Akali Dal of Barnala and Badal were asking for under the Anandpur Sahib resolution. The key to the success of every liberation movement is that it has clear goals and objectives. If you look at any other liberation movement which has succeeded they have never had to waste time and energy on arguing for less that complete independence. East Timor never had a section of their own movement which wanted to remain in Indonesia but with more autonomy. The Kosovans even though their state is less than the area of a couple of districts of Punjab yet they have not asked to remain a part of Serbia with more autonomy. The Indian government committed atrocities a hundred times worst tha what the Serbs did in Kosovo.

All Jasbir Singh Rode did was to muddy the water more and destroy any chance for the movement to gain movement after the setting of clear goals.

[Provide]

Brothers,

Bittu and Party (KLF and co.) were against Mann fighting the elections. There is a lot of evidence that they probably went to the point of threatening him if he were to stand. They had a good reason for their opposition to the elections. I will explain them as follow.

Firstly, GOI was continuously picking up young Sikh men and women and dissapearing /killing them and there was no end in sight. Even so, GOI was knocking off candidates from Mann's party. Such murders have been well documented in "Burnt to Ashes". Under these circumstances, how then could the Khalistani's all of a sudden support the elections.

Secondly, even if we Sikhs had won the elections, many of Mann's party members were untrustworthy people with low to no character. Their only interest was the "Gaddi". Examples are Bibi Jagir Kaur, Ajit Muktsar and many more got their queue into Politics from Akalidal (Amritsar). Given the damage done to Punjab by GOI up to this point, there is no telling what it would do if the elections were won by Akalidal (Amritsar). The most probable response would have been the declare the state of emergency in Punjab and bring it under Governors (Central) rule. This would have been very easy to do and at the same time result in political unity at the cental level for the Congress/Janata Dal. In short Bitta and Party rightly beleived that the elections would have made no difference to the Sikhs particularly given the 500 years anti-Sikh history of the Brahmin rulers.

Thirdly, given recent history, does anyone really believe that people like Mann have the brains and ability to create to any degree a sustaniable level of progress to the lives of Sikhs? Mann is a Sardaar and by ancestory has pedigree. He and his entire lineage has consumed from Punjab in the manner done by feudals. Whenever, Mann would visit democratic think tanks in UK, USA and Canada etc, he would always make a point to tell his audience that he is from landowing family of feudals. Such people only work for themselves and their family name. Being close to the Patiala family, he his children will always be part of the feudal network. Within most nationalism movements such people (Nobles) have always been the first to sell themselves to the enemy. For this reason, many around Bittu had little faith in Mann. Additionally, when negotiating with GOI for the Panth to support elections they needed some in return from the government which it had not yet received.

Mann's main grudge against Bittu is that he never let him fight the elections and thus become chief minister. Additional grudges have started eversince Bittu joined politics as he has proven in a short period of time to be a more capable speaker and thinker than Mann which Mann has difficulty accepting. Bittu is clearly a gifted leader and this can be noted from his early age with the movement. Bittus, Pritam Singh Sekhon and several other young boys were all PAU students of Prof. Rajinder Singh Bulara who followed his path into the movement in 1984. On his part Mann should find a way to divorce his personal feeling against Bittu and behave in a more dignified way for the sake of the panth.

My aim is not to discredit Mr. Mann but to present a view of the mindset of the Khalistani militants at the time of these elections to show why the were against the elections.

Having said all of this, I would also like to point out that I have agreat deal of respect for the workers of Akalidal (Amritsar). They are most noble souls with great strength and conviction to stay committed to the cause of the panth and they should be praised for this. It is they who have been the true voice of Khalistan. The brother who has been supporting Mann from the very beginning is testamony to this.

[chatanga]

provide , what a turd you have posted. nothign but speculation about mann dal. and look at the results of boycotting elections? thousands of sikhs dead, and the moevment completely routed. if the election had been fought and won, at the moevment would have lived to see another day. not fallen flat on its butt.

In short Bitta and Party rightly beleived that the elections would have made no difference to the Sikhs particularly given the 500 years anti-Sikh history of the Brahmin rulers. ... how do they or you know that? lokk at situation after. plz think b4 you post another turd.

[proactive]

Provide,

I don't think your point about a win for Mann making no difference is incorrect. Remember that it was a coalition Janata Dal government in Delhi and not a Congress one when the original decide was made to target any Sikhs standing for elections (1991 and not the later 1992 boycott) In 1991 the elections were cancelled by the government because a large number of candidates were killed as well as violence had increased during that time. Had the election been allowed to run their course in 1991 Mann would have won and he would have been the head of a Sikh government dealing with a non-Congress central government. Even in 1992 when the boycott not been announced Mann Dal would have won. It is hypothetical but I think most people would agree that the movement would have been in much better shape had Simranjeet Sing Mann been Punjab chief minister rather than Beant Singh. For one you would not have had the fake encounters that occurred and killed large numbers of Sikh youth between 1992-1994. You state that the central government could have declared emergency rule in Punjab, you are right it has powers to dismiss a state government but can you imagine what the knock the image of India would have got outside the country in International forums like UN and European Union? It is easy for a government to announce emergency rule when they are facing an armed group about whose support base and popularity the outsise world knows nothing about. It is a totally different matter to declare emergency rule and dismiss a popularly elected government.

You should not discount so lightly the effect on a people's national consciousness when they are able to elect a government which they believe will give them independence. Events like these have a habit of snowballing and even the most paranoid and oppressive government would find it difficult to act against a movement which has proven that it has mass support through an election win.

If you are still not convinced then ask yourself why the act of Rajiv Gandhi leaving the government after it's defeat in 1989 was to release Simranjeet Singh Mann. It was because Mann had shown his popularity with the Punjab voters and consequently he profile in the outside world had been raised. Had Rajiv not freed him and the Janata Dal government also kept him in prison then Mann for all intents and purposes would have become the Nelson Mandela of the Sikhs. This is why it came as such a surprise that the miltants announced a boycott and virtually gifted their sworn enemies the Congress the Chief Ministership of Punjab, when they had seen only a few years before how an election win had transformed Mann's profile and the morale of the movement.

[dasmesh_regiment]

manochahal wanted to partipicate in elections to get manjit singh elected as chief minister (which would never happen) - manjit singh (brother of amrik singh) is now a badal poodle.

many people speculate here that bittu had made threats to kill mann and sohan singh at various times. if this is correct, it was not bittu alone. he had panjwar and bki with him.

bittu always tries to gain consensus.

mann is happy to go alone. that is why bittu is better.

[guptveer1469]

Amongst the living, no Sikh leader is better than another. Point final. Bittu isnt better

than Mann, or vice versa. Why keep discussing and arguing such stupid things?? Both have done what was written in their destiny... Now what have we done??? NoTHING! Its time we, the Internet Khalistan Jujharoos (IKJ) do something..

[dasmesh_regiment]

im not an IKJ. and bittu is a "better" leader than mann

[chatanga]

and is bittu as good as a follower as he is as a leader? That is what Sikhn leaders should be measured against. Guru Gobind Singh, Nawab Kapur Singh , Darbara Singh Maharaja Ranjit Singh etc all lived up to this ideal as leaders of Sikh Nation.

rememeber what Sant Jarnail Singh said about poeple who wanted to be leaders?

" those that display promote themselves as leaders, you are to be be wary of...."

" leader chamkoun wale to bach ke reha karo..."

[guptveer1469]

Agree with chatanga, but with adding Ranjit Singh to it, many inmature members will begin to bash him, saying he had muslim wives etc

but he was a GREAT ruler

infact he is the best ruler along with Akbar ever!! Both were secular.. Didn't force religion upon others... And many more

But Bhai bittu is indeed a great gentleman and brave khalistani!

[dasmesh_regiment]

how many people did sant jarnail singh ji follow?

leaders lead, they do not follow. they listen but do not follow.