Why Sikhs Shouldn’t Celebrate Indian Independence

[ocelot]

Sat Sri Akal,

First read the topic posted by our sister Shaheed Bhai Seetal Singh Matewal, then introspect yourself and you will get an answer if you have self consciousness left in you.

UK will never pick the entire family.

See hawara case, what happens to hardeep kaur, i have posted in general section.

See Tytler if this happens in Britain he would have jailed but in India he is MP.

A hindu who killed 14 sikhs in India was just convicted to 12 years as he has done this act emotinally, But sikhs were given Death sentence in tada, as they were not able to find any proof.

Truth is India use Law to target minorities see Bombay Riots and Bomb blast case, even a blind can see the difference in Judiciary.

You can hear the stories of our martys and find how they were killed, you will see what India really is?

Everything is politics and you can see laws are different for different religions.

Atleast In Uk the conditions are not that.

36 Sikhs Killed in ChattiSinghPura and Indian army killed five innocent Muslims (can read entire news was available everywhere). It is law, case closed.

84 sikhs never get justice, this is India.

Kill innocent sikhs gets reward, such policemen are awarded. Do you know kalra,

jathedar kaunkee being killed by tying his hands on two jeeps and running in opposite directions. This is India, Is it happened in Britain.

Truth is sikhs were more free in British time then in present India. As they not target sikhism but RSS is targeting our religion itself.

Even British dont attack Golden temple but Indian govt did.

truth is Hindus always are jealous of our separate identity. and they want to vanish sikhism in Hinduism. but this will never happen. proof is other RSS rashtriya sikh sangat.

"Singh Mukhayan nahin Mukne jaalim sarkaran ton"

[Guest Dancing Warrior]

being members of militant outfits such as al-qaeda or ira is 1 thing. yeh u prob will get arrested. just as in india being members of babbar khalsa or kcf u'l be arrested. being members of militant outfits is 1 thing, protesting peacefully for independant states r another. in u.k u wudnt get arrested for protesting peacefully for an independant state so wat u on about? u'v jus compared 2 totally different things. well done.

You’ll get arrested for being members of Babbar khalsa , ISYF, KCF etc if you’re in the U.K also, it so happens they are on the terror list compiled by the U.K government, get your facts right.

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/security/terr...oscribed-groups

Abu Nidal Organisation (ANO):

ANO’s principal aim is the destruction of the state of Israel . It is also hostile to ‘reactionary’ Arab regimes and states supporting Israel .

Abu Sayyaf Group (ASG):

The precise aims of the ASG are unclear, but its objectives appear to include the establishment of an autonomous Islamic state in the Southern Philippine island of Mindanao.

Al-Gama'at al-Islamiya (GI):

The main aim of GI is through all means, including the use of violence, to overthrow the Egyptian Government and replace it with an Islamic state. Some members also want the removal of Western influence from the Arab world.

Al Gurabaa:

Al Gurabaa is a splinter group of Al-Muajiroon and diseminates materials that glorify acts of terrorism.

Al Ittihad Al Islamia (AIAI):

The main aims of AIAI are to establish a radical Sunni Islamic state in Somalia, and to regain the

Ogaden region of Ethopia as Somali territory via an insurgent campaign. Militant elements within AIAI are suspected of having aligned themselves with the ‘global jihad’ ideology of Al Qaida, and to have operated in support of Al Qaida in the East Africa region.

Al Qaida:

Inspired and led by Osama Bin Laden, its aims are the expulsion of Western forces from Saudi Arabia , the destruction of Israel and the end of Western influence in the Muslim world.

Ansar Al Islam (AI):

AI is a radical Sunni Salafi group from northeast Iraq around Halabja. The group is anti-Western, and opposes the influence of the US in Iraqi Kurdistan and the relationship of the KDP and PUK to Washington. AI has been involved in operations against Multi-National Forces-Itaq (MNF-I).

Ansar Al Sunna (AS):

AS is a fundamentalist Sunni Islamist extremist group based in Central Iraq and what was the Kurdish

Autonomous Zone (KAZ) of Northern Iraq. The group aims to expel all foreign influences from Iraq and create a fundamentalist Islamic state

Armed Islamic Group (Groupe Islamique Armée) (GIA):

The aim of the GIA is to create an Islamic state in Algeria using all necessary means, including violence.

Asbat Al-Ansar ('League of Parisans' or 'Band of Helpers'):

Sometimes going by the aliases of 'The Abu Muhjin' group/faction or the 'Jama'at Nour', this group aims to enforce its extremist interpretation of Islamic law within Lebanon, and increasingly further afield.

Babbar Khalsa (BK): BK is a Sikh movement that aims to establish an independent Khalistan within the Punjab region of India .

Basque Homeland and Liberty (Euskadi ta Askatasuna) (ETA):

ETA seeks the creation of an independent state comprising the Basque regions of both Spain and France .

Baluchistan Liberation Army (BLA):

BLA are comprised of tribal groups based in the Baluchistan area of Eastern Pakistan, which aims to establish an idependant nation encompassing the Baluch dominated areas of Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iran.

Egyptian Islamic Jihad (EIJ):

The main aim of the EIJ is to overthrow the Egyptian Government and replace it with an Islamic state. However, since September 1998, the leadership of the group has also allied itself to the 'global Jihad' ideology expounded by Osama Bin Laden and has threatened Western interests.

Groupe Islamique Combattant Marocain (GICM):

The traditional primary objective of the GICM has been the installation of a governing system of the caliphate to replace the governing Moroccan monarchy. The group also has an Al Qaida-inspired global extremist agenda.

Hamas Izz al-Din al-Qassem Brigades:

Hamas aims to end Israeli occupation in Palestine and establish an Islamic state.

Harakat-Ul-Jihad-Ul-Islami (HUJI):

The aim of HUJI is to achieve though violent means accession of Kashmir to Pakistan, and to spread terror throughout India. HUJI has targetted Indian security positions in Kashmir and conducted operations in India proper.

Harakat-Ul-Jihad-Ul-Islami (Bangladesh) (Huji-B):

The main aim of HUJI-B is the creation of an Islamic regime in Bangladesh modelled on the former

Taleban regime in Afghanistan.

Harakat-Ul-Mujahideen/Alami (HuM/A) and Jundallah:

The aim of both HuM/A and Jundallah is the rejection of democracy of even the most Islamic-oriented style, and to establish a caliphate based on Sharia law, in addition to achieving accession of all Kashmir to Pakistan. HuM/A has a broad anti-Western and anti-President Musharraf agenda.

Harakat Mujahideen (HM):

HM, previously known as Harakat Ul Ansar (HuA), seeks independence for Indian-administered Kashmir. The HM leadership was also a signatory to Osama Bin Laden's 1998 fatwa, which called for worldwide attacks against US and Western interests.

Hizballah External Security Organisation:

Hizballah is committed to armed resistance to the state of Israel itself and aims to liberate all Palestinian territories and Jerusalem from Israeli occupation. It maintains a terrorist wing, the External Security Organisation (ESO), to help it achieve this.

Hezb-E Islami Gulbuddin (HIG):

Led by Gulbuddin Hekmatyar who is in particular very anti-American, HIG desires the creation of a fundamentalist Islamic State in Afghanistan and is anti-Western.

International Sikh Youth Federation (ISYF):

ISYF is an organisation committed to the creation of an independent state of Khalistan for Sikhs within India .

Islamic Army of Aden (IAA):

The IAA's aims are the overthrow of the current Yemeni government and the establishment of an

Islamic State following Sharia Law.

Islamic Jihad Union (IJU):

The primary strategic goal of the IJU is the elimination of the current Uzbek regime. The IJU would expect that following the removal of President Karimov, elections would occur in which Islamic-democratic political candidates would pursue goals shared by the IJU leadership.

Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (IMU):

The primary aim of IMU is to establish an Islamic state in the model of the Taleban in Uzbekistan . However, the IMU is reported to also seek to establish a broader state over the entire Turkestan area.

Jaish e Mohammed (JeM):

JeM seeks the 'liberation' of Kashmir from Indian control as well as the 'destruction' of America and India . JeM has a stated objective of unifying the various Kashmiri militant groups.

Jeemah Islamiyah (JI):

JI's aim is the creation of a unified Islamic state in Singapore , Malaysia , Indonesia and the Southern Philippines.

Khuddam Ul-Islam (Kul) and splinter group Jamaat Ul-Furquan (JuF):

The aim of both KUI and JuF are to unite Indian administered Kashmir with Pakistan; to establish a radical Islamist state in Pakistan; the ‘destruction’ of India and the USA; to recruit new jihadis; and the release of imprisoned Kashmiri militants

Kongra Gele Kurdistan (PKK):

PKK/KADEK/KG is primarily a separatist movement that seeks an independent Kurdish state in southeast Turkey. The PKK changed its name to KADEK and then to Kongra Gele Kurdistan, although the PKK acronym is still used by parts of the movement.

Lashkar e Tayyaba (LT):

LT seeks independence for Kashmir and the creation of an Islamic state using violent means.

Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE):

The LTTE is a terrorist group fighting for a separate Tamil state in the North and East of Sri Lanka.

Mujaheddin e Khalq (MeK):

The MeK is an Iranian dissident organisation based in Iraq . It claims to be seeking the establishment of a democratic, socialist, Islamic republic in Iran .

Palestinian Islamic Jihad - Shaqaqi (PIJ):

PIJ aims to end the Israeli occupation of Palestine and to create an Islamic state. It opposes the existence of the state of Israel , the Middle East Peace Process and the Palestinian Authority, and has carried out suicide bombings against Isreali targets

Revolutionary Peoples' Liberation Party - Front (Devrimci Halk Kurtulus Partisi - Cephesi) (DHKP-C):

DHKP-C aims to establish a Marxist Leninist regime in Turkey by means of armed revolutionary struggle.

Teyre Azadiye Kurdistan (TAK):

TAK Kurdish terrorist group currently opperating in Turkey.

Salafist Group for Call and Combat (Groupe Salafiste pour la Predication et le Combat) (GSPC):

Its aim is to create an Islamic state in Algeria using all necessary means, including violence.

Saved Sect or Saviour Sect:

The Saved Sect is a splinter group of Al-Muajiroon and diseminates materials that glorify acts of terrorism

Sipah-E Sahaba Pakistan (SSP) (Aka Millat-E Islami Pakistan (MIP) - SSP was renamed MIP in April 2003 but is still referred to as SSP) and splinter group Lashkar-E Jhangvi (LeJ):

The aim of both SSP and LeJ is to transform Pakistan by violent means into a Sunni state under the total control of Sharia law. Another objective is to have all Shia declared Kafirs and to participate in the destruction of other religions, notably Judasim, Christianity and Hinduism.

Note: Kafirs means non-believers: literally, one who refused to see the truth. LeJ does not consider members of the Shia sect to be Muslim, hence they can be considered a ‘legitimate’ target

Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG):

The LIFG seeks to replace the current Libyan regime with a hard-line Islamic state. The group is also part of the wider global Islamist extremist movement, as inspired by Al Qaida. The group has mounted several operations inside Libya, including a 1996 attempt to assassinate Mu’ammar Qadhafi.

Jammat-ul Mujahideen Bangladesh (JMB):

JMB first came to prominence on 20 May 2002 when eight of its members were arrested in possession of petrol bombs. The group has claimed responsibility for numerous fatal bomb attacks across Bangladesh in recent years, including suicide bomb attacks in 2005.

Tehrik Nefaz-e Shari'at Muhammadi (TNSM):

TNSM regularly attacks coalition and Afghan government forces in Afghanistan and provides direct support to Al Qaida and the Taliban. One faction of the group claimed responsibility for a suicide attack on an army training compound on 8 November 2007 in Dargai, Pakistan, in which 42 soldiers were killed.

Proscribed Irish groups

• Continuity Army Council

• Cumann na mBan

• Fianna na hEireann

• Irish National Liberation Army

• Irish People's Liberation Organisation

• Irish Republican Army

• Loyalist Volunteer Force

• Orange Volunteers

• Red Hand Commando

• Red Hand Defenders

• Saor Eire

• Ulster Defence Association

• Ulster Freedom Fighters

• Ulster Volunteer Force

[Goli Da Vair Sada]

maybe i didnt make myself clear enough.

u sed:

You can stand in a street in Panjab or in a court of law for that matter and shout Khalistan and I’m a Khalistani your free to say that, you couldn’t stand in the streets of England and claim to be an IRA or Al-Qaeda member you go to prison to join the elderly people they lock up for not paying their council tax.

i sed:

being members of militant outfits such as al-qaeda or ira is 1 thing. yeh u prob will get arrested. just as in india being members of babbar khalsa or kcf u'l be arrested. being members of militant outfits is 1 thing, protesting peacefully for independant states r another. in u.k u wudnt get arrested for protesting peacefully for an independant state so wat u on about? u'v jus compared 2 totally different things. well done.

u compared being pro khalistan supporter (khalistanis) wiv proscribed terrorist organisations such as al qaeda and ira. in the uk if u was pro irish independance u wudnt be arrested so wat u on about? but if u claimed to be a member of a proscribed terrorist org u wud. such as alqaeda and yes babbar khalsa well done. just as in india if u claimed to be pro khalistan u wudnt be arrested (well atleast sumtyms) but if u claimed to be member of babbar khalsa u wud be. my point was u compafred to different things i.e ppl who r pro sumthing but do it by peaceful means and and ppl that claim to be sumthing but r proscribed terrorists.

get ur facts right.

[ocelot]

Bittu was peacefull so why he has been arrested.

Mann does not belong to any outfit nor in any so called terrorist activity.yet he is in jail.

can anyone give reason for them?

[Guest Dancing Warrior]

maybe i didnt make myself clear enough.

u sed:

You can stand in a street in Panjab or in a court of law for that matter and shout Khalistan and I’m a Khalistani your free to say that, you couldn’t stand in the streets of England and claim to be an IRA or Al-Qaeda member you go to prison to join the elderly people they lock up for not paying their council tax.

i sed:

being members of militant outfits such as al-qaeda or ira is 1 thing. yeh u prob will get arrested. just as in india being members of babbar khalsa or kcf u'l be arrested. being members of militant outfits is 1 thing, protesting peacefully for independant states r another. in u.k u wudnt get arrested for protesting peacefully for an independant state so wat u on about? u'v jus compared 2 totally different things. well done.

u compared being pro khalistan supporter (khalistanis) wiv proscribed terrorist organisations such as al qaeda and ira. in the uk if u was pro irish independance u wudnt be arrested so wat u on about? but if u claimed to be a member of a proscribed terrorist org u wud. such as alqaeda and yes babbar khalsa well done. just as in india if u claimed to be pro khalistan u wudnt be arrested (well atleast sumtyms) but if u claimed to be member of babbar khalsa u wud be. my point was u compafred to different things i.e ppl who r pro sumthing but do it by peaceful means and and ppl that claim to be sumthing but r proscribed terrorists.

get ur facts right.

Whatever you say!

[Goli Da Vair Sada]

ocelot ur right. any1 that pushes the issue gets arrested or more. mann has been tortured bare tyms. he was given the old electric shock treatment. manns toes have actually moulded together. thats how bad he was tortured.

[chatanga]

Chauhan spent his last years in India, but he was charged with sedition for raising the slogan of Khalistan. Why , if the worlds largest hypocrisy believes n the freedom of expression.

dw is that why your pic is always laffin , cos we amuse you?

chatanga

[Guest Dancing Warrior]

[ dw is that why your pic is always laffin , cos we amuse you?chatanga

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31TTcjYw0hQ

You should try it!! :nihungsmile:

[Goli Da Vair Sada]

^^^ lollllllllllllllllllllllllll. thats sum good stuff.

[proactive]

Dancing Warrior it's better to admit you made some pretty stupid comparisons and accept what even a 5 year old knows, that Sikhs do not have freedom in India.