Vedanti and the 3 Anniversaries of 2004

[ms514]

Sat Sri Akal:

Vicky Singh Ji, Punjab Sikhs know a LOT more about the political scene than us. and the GOI knows this too. To suppress the grievances of the Sikhs, liquor flows freely through the state, as well as drugs. What happened when Sant Jarnail Singh Sahib removed drugs and alcohol from the Sikh youth? Well, have a look at events around 1984.

[DhadiMania]

shouldnt the 5 payre b controlling the akal takhat instaed of sum guy hu is just as corrup as the SGPC. has there ver been a time when the sgpc was good (aside 1925 wn they took control of the gurdwaras again????)

[AK-47]

Right then the guy who was meant to do the write up has been busy so im gonna have a try at trying to remember exactly what was said!

Ok started off at a gurdwara sahib where the youth gets together every wednesday evening for sikhi discussons. the gurdwara committee and other important personalities who like having their picture taken accompanied Mr Vedanti into the hall where around 80 teenagers both boys and girls, where the majority speak little if any punjabi, and around 80% dont keep their kesh but attend weekly to find out more on sikhi. Upon his entrance the old committee boys did a jakara and everyone turned around thinking 'what!?'.

Around 20 -25 guys accompanied him in, you can imagine the sort! and they all sat down together for a few promotional pictures with the sikh youth.. you know the old kiss kiss kiss pictures! Mr Vedanti got up and did a 5 min speech on various sikh issues, nothing extraordinary, in punjabi. then he sat down.

The youth (having been given leaked info that he was coming down) were determined to have a questions and answers session wth him and although they had prev promised, the sight of around 10 singhs sitting at the back with a mike in their hands round dastaaran, and anticipating smiles on their faces must have un-nerved them! if not that the committee guys know what the guys were like so they were nervous as it was!

Finally he agreed to get up, and the questions and answers were as followed!

Q1; A trim singh asked, Bhai Sahib, as you can see this is the way we are trying to do sikhi parchar in this country, what kind of sikhi parchar is happening in Punjab, as when we go over ther

e, there seems little done and a lot of kids seem to be leaving sikhi?

Answer by Mr Vedanti "First sort out your own sikhi, then worry about the rest".

the answer cheesed many people off, as it had been a genuine question, and rather than answer it, he had just made a personal attack at the guy cus he trimmed his beard! This guy by the way does a hell of a lot more seva than most of us and is on the path!

Q2; Bhai sahib, when the committee is selected here, they have to stand in front of Guru Granth Sahib Ji and swear an oath, which includes that they will fight with any physical, mental or wealth means for the freedom of khalistan (ha ha yeh right!), and also the sarbat khalsa in 1986 from the akal takhat decided to free khalistan, so what is the present akal takhat doing about this? Also what is being done to help the families of the shaheeds?

Answer; "yes we should have our own home, it would be nice etc etc, but first we need to become proper khalsa's. before that it is a waste of time discussing issues like this, if you have any proper questions to ask then ask them or leave it". he got so angry at these questions and was proper grumbling and being a right arse! Everyone got even further annoyed since he refused to answer any of the points!

Q3, one boy told of how his family went to punjab and taught kids how to play dhadhi and sarangi and had created 5 dhahdi jathe, he again asked what akal takhat was doing in similar terms?

Answer, we do loads, we have colleges for that kind of thing" when the boy said where? i have never heard of them? the jathedhar turns around and goes, well where are the 5 that you created, i ahvent heard of them either! He then got into a one on one debate with this 20 yr old kid, saying that he should be responsible for the sikhi of his own family and that he (the jathdhar) wasnt responsible for them! he said since theyre your mama chacha etc's kids, why dont you teach them sikhi?!

Reply to this was,

"well if these kids are ours, then what about those who have nobody because theyre whole families where wiped out in the 80's? Do they mean nothing to you either? do we have to look after them by ourselves also?

The mike was taken off the kids and a uncle told the youth off for being rude, (despite the fact that it was Mr Vedanti who lost his temper first), the organiser of the youth group informed the elders that we were not asking questions to be rude but because we are hurt about what is going on, as youngsters we deserve to be heard, and as elders it is their duty to answer the questions, not to get angry and make personal attacks and avoid the topics! (Jakara By the youth!)

By this stage things had badly gone down hill, and rather than answering any questions, there were just personal remarks flying about, every question was answered with, "why dont you come with me and i'll show you what we do", when asked for deatils about how much money was sent to shaheed parivar, the above was said, when mentioned how much money going into parchar above line was mentioned!

One singh told Mr Vedant i that the akal takhat had sent only 16,000 rps a month to the gurasra trust which looks after around 100 kids from shaheed parivars, he asked is this all they are worth?! No reply given.

Basically no questions where answered, the guys PA took the mike and started talking for him, Mr Vedanti is not even a good politican, since he wasnt even able to face questions from a bunch of 20 yr olds! The PA told us that the akal Takhat had little to do with any of our questions and that we should refer them to the SGPC!! Then he said that even then, the SGPC was responsible for the maintaince of the Gurdwara's and not for anything else such as shaheed parivar! (question asked well who is, if not akal takhat or sgpc, question drowned out by complaints by speakers)

At this stage the main committee guy who for the last 20 mins had been telling us all that we had no

respect for our jathedhar and that if were in the army we would be scared of our general etc etc that we didnt know how to debate etc etc.

He said that he was sorry that only 4 or 5 people had ruined the prog, which is where one of the guilty got up and asked the rest of the people present to raise their hands into the air if they also felt pain in their hearts that nothing was being done for the families of those that gave their lives for sikhi, to show that it wasnt just 4 or 5.

Can you belive that every single youth in that room, girls boys kesh, skin heads, druggies etc all lifted their hands and one of the loudest and most spontaneous jakareh i have heard in a long time was shouted. That bought the debate to an end, as they could see the true feelings of the sikh youth, and since they were not ready to answer the questions they all left, not before a closing comment from Mr Vedanti, which again involved a personal dig and a sustained EVIL look in the direction from which the questioning was coming!

Exit Elders and the jathedhar of the khalsa panth, not being able to withstand questiong from kids.

Afterwards many felt really bad, not because of the questioing but because of the fact that they had been able to question the akal takhat jathedhar like that and get away with it?! these guys were nothing special, but if they got no replies what hope have we that these guys can debate against the politicians in India?! All it showed was just how much of a pawn the jathedhar is these days, its the SGPC that runs the show. Kinda felt sorry for the guy! Is it his fault? or does he have his hands tied behind his back!?

SAD SAD SAD (Bring back the likes of Akali Phoola Singh, Baba Manochal, Gurdev singh Kaunke(oh by the way he was also asked what investigation was happening into the dissapearnce of former jathedhar G S Kaunke.... no reply))

I want a jathedhar who if i ask a stupid quesion too, can either answer it, or come and give me a slap for being so stupid&

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Anyway sorry for the long email, im sure somebody will write a better one soon, some people have told the guys off, saying that they were too forward etc, but at the end of the day, they said what their hearts were feeling. Right or wrong, let Vaheguru decide.

[mann_kaum_layee_qurbaan]

oh man, a jathedar of the akal takhat should never turn to name calling especially with youth....our people are going to get beat and beat really hard in punjab for some time my friends becuase of leadership like this....

[Guest mehtab]

:D :wub: @

i dont even feel like saying anything

[DhadiMania]

shameful

[SarabLoh]

there is also rumour of some our heads from akal takhat and SGPC of bein corupted by the indian goverenment and/or greed.