THE REAL Guru Granth Sahib Jee ?

[SaadhRayn Kaur]

question...

if we have a machine-printed PAD-CHEDD suroop

(not ladeevaar) ...

is it concerned a "pothi"

and not a real suroop of guru granth sahib jee ?

[Guest SikhForLife]

the Guru is who leads us to realize the truth.. whether hand written or printed or online. or in a computer program shouldnt matter... but i do get ur point as in how should it be respected,,,

[Son of Guru Gobind Singh Ji]

I don't think she's asking about hand written or printed. Her question is about Pad-Chead or Larridaar.

[S1ngh]

in my personal way i will say Larrivaar guru sahib jee.. cauz the hand written guru granth sahib jee in amritsar is written in that format and that's the original ! BUT since message from both guru granth sahib jee is same, So it doesn't matter.. and hence both is our real guru granth sahib

i think the broken word format is to make majority of sikhs to understand it's meaning and message..

[JSingh]

The original saroop of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji was laree-//.

I think pad-chhed was done about 100 or so years ago. It was very difficult for a person to read Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and extremely hard to do Akhand Panth. I think Prof. Sahib Singh wrote a essay on the the shabad, "aiti maar payee kurlaney tain ki darad na aaya..." and people and scholors translate this sabad that Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji complained Akal Purukh that sending Babar and killing of innocent ppl doesn't hurt You (God). When we make this shabad laree-//, the translation happends to be different, depening on how one prounces the syllabels. As one can see though out Sikh history, our Gurus never complained Akal Purukh for anything. They accepted His will and asked us to "bhane vich rehna". And saying Guru Nanak Dev Ji blamed Akal Purukh is totally against the teachings of Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji.

Sant Waryam Singh Ji translate this shabad that Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji is refering to Babar, not Akal Purukh, for the killings innocent ppl that doesn't it hurt you (Babar) when you kill innocent ppl.

There is another Shabad whose translation is, "Truth is high, but still higher is truthful living." And when we join the shabads of this shabad together and make them laree-// again, the translation becomes totally different, depending on how one reads the shabad.

One day Jaswant Singh was doing keertan in our local Gurdwara and talked about pad-chhed and mentioned these two shabads that what kind of damage pad-chhed has done to the essense of Gurbani. He also mentioned that the meaning of a shabad, forgot which one it was, has changed 3 times in his lifetime. He said that Gurbani should be

read as it was given to us, laree-//, and even if it is difficult to pronounce and understand, Guru Ji would help us what Guru Ji is saying. But the people who did pad-chhed make meanings themselves and separated the words as they thought this is what it means and so on.

We are not perfect, nor were the ppl who did pad-chhed, and therefore, there is a very good chance that they might have made a mistake. The words are the same, but they are separeted from the laree.

I do not know much about it and just shared what I have heard.

bhul chuk di khima...

[ms514]

Sat Sri Akal:

Paad-chhed written Gurbani is still Gurbani. So Guru Granth Sahib saroops, even if Paad-chhed, should be respected as such.

HOWEVER, the origional writings of the Guru Sahiban are in larivaar. That is they way they wrote it and that is the way it should be printed and taught. Difficulty...eh. Here is an example:

Iwenttogurudwarasahibandhadlangar.

Ok...so it takes a bit longer to understand, but it is not impossible (and there are classes to teach how to read larivaar Gurbani). Pad-chhed, as already stated, is done by a person to the best of their abilities, and is subject to variations as breaking the same tuk a different way can mean another thing. This Gurbani was recieved in larivaar format from the Almighty itself and we should therefore leave it as such.

My views. Forgive and correct mistakes.

[SaadhRayn Kaur]

you know

when you said

Iwenttogurdwarasahibandhadlangar

I actually made myself READ what you wrote

and I actually made myself PROCESS the information to make sure I was understanding it

so let me get this straight, you're saying I WENT TO GURDWARA SAHIB AND HAD LANGAR.

aah, i understand. Boy am I glad I had to FOCUS MORE.

I think ladeevaar suroop definately makes you focus more.

This way reading paath is a journey of learning. You aren't baby-fed the infinite truth, you need to do A LITTLE EFFORT.

it's all guru's grace

[gupt faujaan]

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

agreed wit vicky.

[V]

Agreed with SaadhRayn Kaur

So true I had to got closer to the screen adn FOCUS