Lion Vs Tiger? Who Will Win?

[sunny_love_kirtan]

bWdr ij~qUgw :s

[Amrit Kaur Khalsa]

One of my santhia ustads informed us that singh actually means tiger rather then lion. But for some reason we have adopted the lion translation.

I can imagine puratan singhs being more like tigers then lions to be honest, eg always on the move, deadly, quick etc.

Does anybody have access to mahan kosh etc to check or have other opinions?

Yeah that's what I've been told.

[THE WARRIOR]

^^ Singh isn't a general term. It is specifically used for Lion.

Lion is Sinh ie Singh.

Tiger is Baagh.

Leopard is Cheeta.

Panther is Tendua.

ye, you're right what i should have said is "shere" is the general term Not "Singh" it can mean any of the above....long day

[kds1980]

^^ Singh isn't a general term. It is specifically used for Lion.

Lion is Sinh ie Singh.

Tiger is Baagh.

Leopard is Cheeta.

Panther is Tendua.

Just a correction

cheetah is cheetah

leopard is tendua

[kds1980]

Character wise tiger is much better than lion

A tiger hunts his prey alone and himself while It is lioness that hunt

and that too in pride.Male Lion is just a bully who eats the prey killed by lionesses.he is just like a person who live's on the income of her wife and do nothing.

[chatanga]

Character wise tiger is much better than lion

A tiger hunts his prey alone and himself while It is lioness that hunt

and that too in pride.Male Lion is just a bully who eats the prey killed by lionesses.he is just like a person who live's on the income of her wife and do nothing.

can u believe my misses said exactly the same thing to me ? she came home after a 12 hour shift and i was still in my kashera watching tv. make some parothe is all i sed. she came out with the above.

shocking.

[ISDhillon]

A lion hands down:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4318948967926803903

[ISDhillon]

Lions have a loving side:

[Heera Singh]

A lion hands down:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4318948967926803903

BADDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!

BIG UP Lions dem :s

[kds1980]

http://indrajit.wordpress.com/2006/03/11/l...-of-the-titans/

. Informed . Opinions .

March 11, 2006

LION VS TIGER: Who Will Win In A Fight?

Filed under: Animal Fight, Fight, Lion Tiger Comparison, Lion vs Tiger, Tiger vs Lion — Raja @ 3:59 pm

** Thanks to Charles and Max for the wealth of information they have supplied (See comments 450 to 600) **

The tiger is the largest of the cats and is a perfect killing machine with a superior combination of power, stamina, cunning and agility. On the other hand, A lion is a supreme warrior with almost unmatched fighting skills and an appearance to frighten even the mightiest of animals. There have been some real fights between the two kings of the jungle. So, what do the evidences and experts (and common sense) say about who will win a fight between the two, or rather, if there are 100 tiger-lion fights which one will have more victories?

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The image below gives a vivid comparison of apparent and actual size of these felines. I don’t know what’s written there, but the image is self-explanatory. There are some links to video in this post where, when a lion stands near a tiger, you can have a good comparative view that conforms with the image here. The vidoes and this image clearly explain why a lion looks bigger even though an average Bengal tiger is actually bigger than an average African lion. The tiger being shown here is most probably an IndoChinese one (going by the color and stripes). Bengal/Siberian tigers are even bigger. (Photo taken from www.icebin.net)

Another size comparison image, taken from National Geographic:

This image compares a 6′ man with a lion (without the mane), a Bengal tiger and a Siberian tiger. Even though it is from National Geographic, I’d say it definitely exaggerates the size of the Siberian tiger!

Here are more size comparisons from National Geographic (clock-wise from top-left: Polar Bear, Brown Bear, Black Bear and Grizzly). Notice that, the Grizzly and Black Bear images are actually the same!

If these size comparisons from National Geographic are to be believed, even a Grizzly doesn’t stand a chance against a Siberian tiger, let alone an African lion!

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FACTS FROM ‘TRUSTED’ SOURCES! CONFLICTING AND BIASED INFORMATION!

Different people, as it should be, have different opinion on the possible outcome of such fights. Region plays a major role. While most of the East Asian people would put their bet on a tiger, people from other places (other than Cincinnati Bengals fans) pick a lion to win - largely because of more familiarity with stories of one of them (I found that the tiger enjoys good support from South America!). Where you grow up hearing ”Lion is the king of the jungle/beasts” you form the idea that no animal can beat a lion. Similarly, at places like Bangladesh, tiger inspires awe and fear. People who have grown up listening to stories of the might of a tiger, wouldn’t imagine a tiger getting defeated in a fight with another animal.

The partisan approach is evident in supposed analyes by Discovery Channel or Lairweb. They keep in mind that they largely serve the population of British origin and so they must ‘analyze’ the cats in a way to make the lion have an advantage! While they mention that there are more lion victories ‘recorded’, I was sent a tourism booklet by Govt of Nepal that claimed “The Bengal tiger is the mightiest of all land animals. Bengal tigers found in Nepal average 550 lbs …………. The closest rival is the lion. But from the documented accounts, fights always ended in the tigers’ favor.” A PBS web site mentioned later in this post claims the same. Also, the size comparison by National Geographic, if true, means that a lion has no chance whatsoever against a Siberian tiger. So, no proper ‘recorded’ or ‘documented’ evidence really.

A lion is frequently picked because of the intimidating appearance and the wrong notion that they are generally bigger than tigers. I had even found a web site of a zoo that says an average lion is 1.5 times as big as an average Bengal tiger!

Some European powers have (had) lion as national symbol (Some had tiger, too, like the Nazis). When the British ruled over India, numerous mentions of “victory of British lion over Indian tiger” have been made. So it’s not surprising that most of the Indians ’consider’ a lion to be much bigger and stronger than a tiger. Also, the Indian surname ‘Singh’ means ‘lion’, making a lot of people with that surname ‘believe’ that the lion is the strongest animal on this planet. On the same tone, the Chinese paintings of tiger fighting a dragon, make a lot of them think that the only enemy that a tiger might have, is a ‘dragon’. A tiger is supposed to bear the Chinese royal mark on the forehead.

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THE WARRIORS:

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THE KING OF BEASTS:

Lion is known to be the King of Beasts across most cultures of the world. This is mostly because of a lion’s appearance and partly because of the social structure of a pride and the lion’s role in the pride. A lion does possess a royal look and attitude. Add to that a tremendous roar that can be heard over miles on the Savannah. Also, living in a pride, a lion doesn’t need to hide itself or avoid any other animals including human beings. A lions lives in the open and controls its territory like a true king, sporting a ‘kingly’ mane and heading a pride that feeds him. The Bible of the Christians and the Geeta of the Hindus both mention the lion as the king of the beasts. So it has got accepted as a sign of royalty all over the world from as early as the Roman empire. Have a look at this magnificent lion (Shambala zoo).

Vital Statistics:

[There are a lot of variation in the figures found online. I tried to collect them from reputed instituion and/or govt sources]

Largest Lion in captivity: 806 lbs (366 kg)

Largest Lion found in the wild: 702 lbs (318 kg) and 11′ (3.35 m)

Average size (mode) of African Lion: 410 lbs (186 kg) and 8′10″ (2.7 m)

** Lions stand around 1.15m (including mane) at shoulder as opposed to 1m of a tiger **

The King of The Kings:

When you think of a lion, you think of an African lion. The Asiatic ones are somewhat smaller in size and relatively unknown living in the tiger country. There is no significant variation in size among the African lions. In some online forums it is claimed that Ngorongoro Crater lions are the largest sub-specis of lions. But there is no base to that claim.. The Tsavo lions are generally considered more aggressive, but they are naturally maneless.

Choice: African lion (with mane).

Relative advantages over a tiger:

Thick protective mane. It also makes a lion look much bigger, heavier and taller than it really is. This is of immediate psychological disadvantage to any animal fighting a lion. It’s downright scary to see a lion coming towards you roaring. A lioness, even if it were of similar size, wouldn’t inspire as much awe. From the fight videos, it does seem that the mane is of huge advantage to the lion. In the only fight-video of a maneless (shaved) lion, the lion seemed too easy to beat by the tiger. The mane is the biggest weapon for a lion - both for defence and for scaring off the opponent.

More massively built shoulders. Both the cats have extremely powerful and muscular ’shoulders’. But a lion has it more developed and stronger than a similar-sized tiger. Again, this is an advantage for the lion.

Role played as a fighter. This is the most important point cited by the ones who pick a lion to win. A lion is built to be a fighter - super-strong forequarters, protective mane, shorter ears, large head (compared to its body), a big muzzle and strong jaws. In every respect, it seems to have been built for pit fights. And lions do fight over territory and mating fairly often.

Taller structure. This makes the lion more intimidating. Also, this somewhat compensates for the weaker hindquarters.

Here’s a very good video showcasing lions.

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THE AMBUSH KILLER:

Living largely secretive life and attacking preys using stealth, cunning and agility, a tiger is mostly considered a villain (like Sher Khan in Kipling’s Jungle Book). Moreover, the man-eaters in India have further maligned the image of a tiger. Not much is still known about the lives of the tigers in the wild and hence a lot of the information considered as ‘facts’ about tigers are merely informed guesses. Since the chance of encountering a tiger in the wild is way less than the chance of encountering a wild lion, a lot of data about tigers reflect either only a small population of them, or are based on indirect studies, or both. Also, a tiger’s unwillingness to fight without necessity has often been seen as lack of courage and aggression. Look at these majestic Bengal tigers.

Vital Statistics:

[There are a lot of variation in the figures found online. I tried to collect them from reputed instituion and/or govt sources]

Largest Siberian Tiger found in the wild : 845 lbs/ 384 kg.

Longest Siberian Tiger found in the wild: 12′9″/ 3.9 m

Largest Bengal Tiger found in the wild: 857 lbs/ 389 kg. 3.22 m 10 ft 7 in between pegs (3.37 m 11ft over the curves)

(The largest tiger ever held in captivity, and the heaviest ‘natural big cat’ on record, is a nine-year-old male Siberian named ‘Jaipur’, owned by animal trainer Joan Byron-Marasek of Clarksburg, New Jersey, USA. This tiger measured 3.32 m 10 ft 11in in total length and weiged 423 kg 932 lb in October 1986)

Average size (mode) of Siberian Tigers living in the wild: 550 lbs (250 kg) and 11′/ 3.35 m

Average size (mode) of Bengal Tigers living in the wild: 500 lbs (227 kg) and 9′6″/ 2.9 m (Bengal tigers have a slightly shorter tail than the Siberians)

** The Bengal Tigers have the longest canines **

The Greatest Cat:

Tigers vary in size as well as in aggressiveness (supposedly, at least), not only across different sub-species but also depending on the region they inhabit. Bengal tigers found in Nepal, Bhutan and in Assam, Uttaranchal & West Bengal (Northern part) states in India (collectively, the tigers of the Terrai and Duars) are larger than Bengal tigers found in Sunderbans and Rajasthan. The Sumatran tigers are supposedly the fiercest but they are the smallest sub-species of tigers. The Siberian tigesr are the biggest, but considered to be less agile and less aggressive than a Bengal tiger. The Bengal tigers are most widely touted as the most skillful and overall best breed of tigers - nearly as big (male ~230 Kg, ~3 m) as the Siberian ones but much more fierce, agile and strong. The Bengal tigers of the Terrai are often bigger than average Siberian tigers (Update on Aug 4, 2007: I’ve found this in many a trustworthy source that the Bengals are now considered larger than the Siberians).

Choice: Bengal/Siberian Tiger.

Relative Advantages Over a Lion:

Longer and often larger size. Now this is often posed by the people who pick a tiger to win, as a serious threat to a lion. A larger yet more agile body of a tiger is really a serious threat to a lion. But this alone can not be a decisive factor.

More powerful back legs. This helps a tiger to leap more, to spring from a disadvantageous position and to make sudden moves. This is of tremendous advantage to the tiger. This gives the tiger the ability to rest its weight on the hind legs and make swipes with both of the front legs. When you look at the tiger vs lion fight videos, you may notice that this is a huge advantage to the tiger. Plus, the strong hindquarters allow them to attack from the side and spring from unexpected/disadvantageous corners. Moreover, a tiger makes faster swipes than a lion. Tigers are more agile than lions.

Skills of ambush attacking, tree-climbing, swimming etc are handy if the going gets tough. Plus, tigers are faster runners. These are all defence mechanisms for a tiger just as the mane is for a lion.

More stamina and power, and a more muscular built. More stamina of a tiger may be a debatable thing, though. The ‘power’/strength of a cat is generally proportional to it’s size.

Longer canines and larger paws. These are the ultimate weapons of a cat. Tigers have considerable advantage here.

And here’s a video showcasing tigers. And I found this video to be very interesting. Here is more of Siberian tigers.

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Myths About (and Against) Lions and Tigers:Myth 1: [The lion has a stronger forequarter] The fact is, the lion has slightly more massively built shoulders and the tiger has more developed legs. Overall a tiger is more massively built than a lion. Even pound for pound, a tiger has anatomy-advantage over a lion in the forequarters.

Myth 2: [The tiger hunts larger preys] The fact is, both these cats generally hunt similar sized preys (the size of wildebeast) and both these cats may go for larger preys once in a while.

Myth 3: [The lion has more bite force] The fact is, pound for ponud, a tiger and a lion have similar bite forces. Though the studies show varying results, actually the tigers have a slightly higher bite force, but that’s accounted for by the extra weight.

Myth 4: [Tigers are more ferocious] The fact is, There has never been such a claim by any scientist or noted animal observer. This is a bizare claim with no base. Both these animals show similar ferocity (of course, ferocity is not quantifiable) when drawn into a fight.

Myth 5: [Lions have larger heads] The fact is, an average lion has (surprisingly) the same size of head as an average Bengal/Siberian/Indochinese tiger. The tiger’s head is just a little wider and shorter, allowing it to have more bite force.

Myth 6: [Lions just fight and tigers just hunt] The fact is, nomadic male lions hunt regularly and skillfully. Even resident male lions hunt sometimes. On the other hand, tigers fight, often to death, with other tigers. Tigers fight fairly often, so much so that around 30% of tiger deaths (for Bengal tigers) occur due to territorial fights. Also, tigers fight with leopards, bears, wild dogs, elephants etc. Most of the tiger vs tiger and lion vs lion fights end after one combatant escapes while some fights in both the cases may result in severe injury or death.

Myth 7: [The lion has better fighting techniques] The fact is, the tiger shows better ’skills’ of fighting. It can swipe much faster than a lion, can use both the front legs at the same time for making swipes, is faster and more agile than the lion, and learns very quickly (In one video linked here, the tiger first attacks the neck. After getting a mouthful of mane, it quickly turns to the hind legs)

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THE LIKELY WINNER

Captive animals:

Captive animals often behave differently than the wild ones. In a fight between captive animals, a tiger will have the advantage of size and power. A captive lion will lack the fighting experience of a wild one.

Let’s now talk about ‘wild’ animals, ie, both the animals are at their prime and have been captured fresh from their natural habitat and are in good natural condition.

In small pit/cage:

Lion will have a slender advantage if the fight is in a small closed area since it may get the benefit of stronger shoulders & the mane and the tiger may feel the lack of space. Agility may not be a big factor. The lion’s head-on attacking technique and taller structure should prove decisive. But it may really depend on the size of the respective animal. If the tiger is significantly larger than the lion, the lion may not get a chance to do much harm to the tiger.

In a large area (forest/grassland or even a large ‘cage’):

Tiger may win easily. The stronger hindquarters come into play here. It helps to keep balance and make fast movements. The fight may or may not be a first-round knock-out, but a tiger may escape and strike back if needed since it has more stamina and higher speed.

If the two animals are ignorant of each other’s presence at the begining, it will really be a tiger’s game. Siberian tigers are sometimes reported to predate on female/young brown bears. The female bears may be larger than the tigers and as aggressive as the male ones. But the tiger stalks the bears and then and hunts them. In a similar way, if a tiger and a lion are released in a forest/grassland, a tiger’s stealth-attacks may be decisive.

Why The Tiger Has a Better Chance of Winning:

There is a popular notion that a lion is meant for fighting whereas a tiger is meant for hunting and hence a lion will win in a tiger-lion fight. Some people mention that like a pitbull can own larger dogs, a lion can defeat a tiger since, like the pitbull, the lion is meant to be a fighter. This is a bad comparison. That a lion plays the role of a fighter in a pride doesn’t make the tiger a non-fighter and just a predator. A tiger predates AND fights. And that’s why they are way more active than lions. Over their lifespan, a lion fights other lions less than ten times. This may be well less than the number of tiger-fights a tiger has to face over food/mating/territory. A lion may have to fight off hyenas, too. A tiger, on the other hand, fights with leopards, wolves, dholes and black/brown bears over food/territory.

The ’strength’ analysis is of course an ideal one. A lot of them may prove to be invalid in real fights. Most of the ‘documents’, ‘eye-witness accounts’ and vidoes (though most of them are manipulated to suit the story of movies) show that there is more chance of a tiger winning the fight than a lion winning it. It seems that a tiger might be reluctant to fight at first. But if compelled to, it’s a much better and more powerful fighter than a lion.

Size does matter. An average Bengal/Siberian tiger measures 10 feet and 500 lbs. Can measure up to 11 feet and ~620 lbs. Lions average 9 feet and 410 lbs. Can grow as large as 10 feet and 530 lbs. (Not considering the more extreme cases for either cat). Clearly, tigers have an advantage. Additionally, the build of a tiger provides much more balance and agility. The weight of a tiger is more evenly distributed over its body-length than that of a lion. A tiger’s tail, being heavier compared to a lion’s, makes it easier for the tiger to turn. And if the animal with larger size also has greater agility, it’s the one that should win more fights. Add to that the advantages of bigger paws, faster swipes and longer canines!

An African lion, hailing from a place where it doesn’t get much competition from other animals, attacks from the word ‘go’. On the other hand, a tiger, coming from places where it fights bears, wild dogs etc, assesses the situation first and then goes for the kill. (Ok, lions, too, live alongside wild dogs. But they don’t clash much since lions live in prides. For the same reason, lions rarely fight leopards). For this reason, some animal trainers and experts have mentioned the tiger as an intelligent boxer. Additionally, the Bengal tigers are widely considered as being extremely aggressive when drawn into a fight.

In 10 fights between the two in any natural setting and in non-extreme climate, I’d bet a Bengal tiger will own an African lion 9 times provided there is no bias in choosing the animals. I’d expect an average Bengal tiger of the Terrai (see above) with 530 lbs and 10′, to make a short work of an average South African lion (~410 lbs and 8.5′). Even pound for pound, a tiger is stronger. If it’s a smaller-than-average Bengal tiger, with size and wight similar to the lion’s, it should be 7-3 in favor of the tiger.

Overall, there may be very few really big and aggressive lions that may defeat a Bengal/Siberian tiger, but on an average a tiger will win against a lion almost everytime.

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REFERENCES AND LINKS TO VIDOES AND INFORMATION:

From Wikipedia Discussions:

Wikipedia, being a relatively open body of knowledge and fed by contributions of a lot of informed people (and a lot of morons, too), tend to have more-or-less unbiased information. I’ve found some interesting discussion there (Wikipedia Talk) about tigers and lions. These are mainly about size comparison and the following types of animal interactions. While these don’t necessarily say anything about about fighting skills of either lion or tiger, they go on to show how immensely powerful the tiger is.

Tiger/Lion and Rhino: There are evidences that tigers in the North and East India kill rhinos, even though rarely. But no lion has been known to have killed a rhino. Not even a lion pride. But this is not a good comparison of strength. It surely goes on to say that the tigers must be super-strong, but it can’t discredit the lion for not attacking a rhino. The African rhinos have longer and sharper horns and may grow bigger than the Indian ones. Here’s a WWF report on two orphan rhino cubs whose mother has been killed by a tiger. Here’s a report saying that three rhinos have been killed by tiger(s).

Tiger/Lion and Elephant: The Indian elephants avoid tigers. Elephants are known to be attacked by tigers, even though rarely. One single tiger can kill a bull elephant. While it’s true that one single lion can not kill a bull elephant, we need to see the difference in elephants. The African elephants are much larger than the Indian ones and have longer tasks. A bull African elephant is around 1.5 times in weight compared to an Indian one. Here’s a Yahoo!News article about how a bull elephant died after getting injured by a Bengal tigress. One of the most viewed videos online is a small clip where a tiger attacks the person sitting on an elephant. Notice how the tiger completely ignores the elephant!

Tiger/Lion and Buffalo: The tiger wins a point here. It’s extremely rare for a single lion to take down a Cape Buffalo. The tigers frequently prey on Gaur and Asian Water Buffalo, both of which are much bigger than the Cape Buffalo. The Gaur is the largest of the major species of wild oxen and has a superb muscular built. It can stand more than 6′ at shoulder and weigh more than a ton. This journal paper by John Singh indicates that Gaur falls into regular prey category of tigers. A Gaur had reportedly been killed and dragged by a tiger whereas 13 men could not move the carcass!

Analyses By Others:

The most unbiased answer I’ve found is, “Both these cats have very similar built. The difference being, the lion has a protective mane whereas the tiger enjoys a slight advantage on strngth and agility. The fights really should be evenly matched and end with no great injury to any of the cats. I see the lion escaping after getting a lot of swipes on the face and the tired tiger happily letting it go.”

Lairweb has a good comparative study and puts lion ahead. It concludes, “The tiger has a longer body, and is usually more powerful in the back legs, having evolved this way for great speed and unmatched leaping power. The lion evolved primarily for fighting, with a larger head and more power in the forequarters…….. It seems obvious that there are a small number of tigers out there which are superior fighters to the lion, but across the majority of the animals, the lion would probably indeed be the King of the Beasts.” The important point is, tiger may be a better predator, but lion is a better fighter. But it also mentions that “After trying a number of options they (Koreans) settled for a Bengal from the extreme northern range of the subspecies (the Nepal Valley). These tigers almost matched the Amur subspecies in size and were up to 600 lbs in weight. Within this Bengal the Koreans are said to have found an almost disturbing ferocity. It is claimed these tigers attacked violently and relentlessly, most often winning in any fight against the lion.“

This discussion tells us of a fight between an african lion and a sumatran tiger in which the tiger wins.

Some decent arguments in favor of the lion (I’ve already mentioned these while talking about a lion’s strengths).

Certain things copied from a forum. These are in favor of tiger (the person posting these, picked the tiger to win ANY fight between the two). He may have been biased in collecting information, but it’s a nice collection nonetheless. Tiger seems to be the outright winner:

<1> “This observation was confirmed more recently in the 1950 by a keeper in the Bronx Zoo, where a lion cub named Zambezi and a young tiger named Ranee were raised together. There occasional fights always resulted in a victory for the tiger. Alfred Martini, the keeper, described the tiger as being the better fighter, like a clever boxer against a heavy hitter, shrewder and trickier.” (Mel and Fiona Sunquist, 2002 page 287)” .

<2> “When the ancient Romans set tiger against lion in the Coliseum, the tiger invariably won” - The Living Edens.

<3> “The lion is a less active animal than the tiger, and apparently not so powerful; in every case of a fight between the two in a menagerie the tiger has invariably killed his opponent.” (Referring to the Asiatic lion) (pg. 212) .

<4> “In fights between a tiger and a lion in the wild, the tiger is usually the winner. - The Rudiments of Wisdom Encyclopedia by Tim Hunkin “.

<5> “They have accidentally gotten into each other’s cages, and the tiger has killed the lion. As regard to their comparative courage in the presence of man, all evidence is in favor of the tiger. Yet the poets nearly always insist on having it the other way.” (pg 497) - A Handy Book of Curious Information ” .

<6> “The tiger is a rare jewel in a treasure chest of truly spectacular Indian wildlife. When the ancient Romans set tiger against lion in the coliseum, the tiger invariably won. In some ways, the tiger is the ultimate predator. -PBS.ORG” .

<7> “George Stubbs, the most famous and original animal painter of his time who was just reaching his peak in 1759, liked to display combats of lion versus tiger, though he did not commit the egregious mistake made in James Ward’s animal pictures painted later in the century where the lion symbolizes Britain and the tiger India; in reality, as we know very clearly from the obscene animal fights staged by the Ancient Romans in the arena, the tiger would win in such a sight every time.” (pg. 163) - 1759: The Year Britain Became Master of the World.

<8> “In the Middle Ages a few lions were kept in European menageries in Germany, England France and Italy. The best known of these early zoological collections was one belonging to Henry I of England that was eventually moved to the Tower of London, where it remained until 1840. Occasionally lions where forced to fight tigers, but apparently the tigers always won.” - Wild Cats of the World by Mel and Fiona Sunquist.

<9> “In 1857 a tiger at Bromwich broke into the cage of a lion and a fearful scene ensued: ‘the lions mane saved his head and neck from being much injured, but the tiger at last succeeded in ripping up his belly, and in a few minutes he was dead. -The Descent of Man, and Selection in Relation to Sex. Charles Darwin.

<10> Clyde Beatty actually says he knows of cases of tigers fighting off several lions at once and emerging from the fight unharmed. One sumatran tiger named Chester fought off seven lions at once and only incurred slight injuries. The bengal tiger Rex was apparently also more than a match for lions that attacked him even when he was outnumbered

[This ‘fighting off seven lions’ part is either an exeggeration or it was not a serious fight at all, just a bit of teasing, or the lions were toothless/broken-nailed/dying-old/blind/… :-D. Forget about seven lions, I’d doubt if a Sumatran tiger can fight even seven medium-sized dogs]

Online Videos:

A collage of nearly all the fight videos available online for free.

A nice video collage showing lion-tiger interaction. It’s a good resource for getting idea of size comparison, fighting technique and attitude. There is no ‘fight’ as such in this video. Just some small conflicts.

A ‘funny’ video of lion vs tiger. There are some interesting sequences including a small one where a tiger has been attacked by three lions. Like the last one, this is not a ‘fight’ video.

Video showing a one-to-one fight between a lion and an equal-sized tiger . It is taken from a movie, but the fight is real. There seems to be distinct rounds in the fight (:-p). Round 1: Tiger wins. Round 2: Lion wins. Round 3: Tiger wins. Unfinished Round 4: Tiger had clear advantage before water cannon was used to stop the fight. It’s mentioned elsewhere that the tiger had killed the lion. That seems reasonable.

Another lion vs tiger video from a movie (Jungle Jim). It has been edited to suit the sequence of the movie where the lion is supposed to kill the tiger. So, a fight has been shown and then, abruptly, a sleeping (’dead’ in the movie) tiger is shown in the next scene. The beasts seemed evenly matched and both had some slender advantage at some point in the fight. The lion is fully grown (see the mane). The tiger is either young, or a female, or Sumatran - going by the size.

Some clips from Everland.

Korean pit-fight video on a fight between a tiger and a shaved lion. Not a very clear one, but seems like the tiger was dominating throughout the fight.

A collection of some of the videos mentioned here, declaring the tiger as the ‘true king’. In one part of the clip, there is a sequence where a tiger kills a lion.

A wealth of lion-vs-tiger videos from YouTube. The members of the LeoTigrisElite try to collect and upload relevant videos on YouTube. I shall keep putting those links here as and when I find something new there.

Video showing that a tigress killed a leopard

Small video clips of Siberian, Bengal and Sumatran tigers

A lion vs black bear fight in which there is no clear winner. The lion (a shaved one) dominated the fight and landed some good punches and bites on the bear, but the bear didn’t lose any bit of aggressiveness. Even when the lion wanted to rest a bit, the bear followed him and attacked relentlessly till the point when either of them could not carry it on any longer. One important thing here is that even a lion is much faster than a bear. The bear-swipes seemed as if in slow-motion compared to the lion-swipes.

A pit fight between a bull and a lion. The lion got humiliated.

A lion vs lion fight video.

A video of a fight between a tiger and a fairly large (~11′) croc. Tiger kills the croc

A video of a classic hyena vs lion fight. A group of lionesses kill a wildbeast in the night and the hyenas claim it by forcing the lionesses to retreat. ‘The next morning’ a lion comes and kills a hyena (wonder where he was hiding ‘the previous night’!).

Baffled lion and mad man. And here’s an experiment with a lion.

Lions kill and eat a man (**very disturbing**).

A wounded lion tries to fight back against hunters.

The African King is dead.

Look at the braveheart! A lion got scared by the roar of another animal (probably a jaguar shown in the begining of the video clip).

Other Related Stuff:

This PBS website says that tigers have won in most of the fights against lions.

A photo showing “a lion slaps on the face of a tiger as they fight for the control of a pool at a zoo in Nanjing, east China’s Jiangsu province July 18, 2004. The lion finally occupied the cool water of the pool in the summer heat wave after it defeated its challenger in two minutes.” A fight for a pool is really trivial. Some videos mentioned in the Online Video section show tigers displacing lions for vantage sitting spots. One tiger has been shown to displace five lionesses. These are no evidence of fight.

The best fight in the animal kingdom would be a fight between a Barbery lion and a Siberian tiger. A supposed newspaper report suggets that such a fight had happened and the tiger had killed the lion.

A supposed news report of lion vs bulldog fights. The first lion gets wounded, the second one settles the score.

Debate among some stubborn supporters of either group, and some links to videos

Discovery channel even used to sell a video of a tiger-vs-lion comaparison at a high price. (It puts the fight as “close”. “Northern India, where the last population of Asiatic lions lives only 200 miles away from the nearest group of tigers, is the setting for this catfight. Anatomist Dr. Frank Mendel shows that there is almost no anatomical difference between the two rulers of the jungle. The tiger has a slight weight advantage, but the lion, with its imposing mane, could have the psychological edge. And while the simulation team tries to account for differing hunting tactics – tigers hunt alone, while lions usually hunt and fight in groups – even lion expert Sam Stephens and tiger trainer Dave Salmoni agree on one thing: Same jaws, same paws, same claws will make for a close fight.” Not surprisingly, the ones who have seen the video on TV/DVD, have arguments in the website, too and made comments like “Lions are truly King of all beasts. Long live the King!” and “Seriously guys, learn your facts. The Tiger would have totaly tore. the lion appart”)

An article claiming that an Indochinese tiger, a male, killed a Bengal tigress “in the blink of an eye”

A poll on BigCats.com where Tiger wins handsomely

Some good points raised in this forum.

And, here is a Liger. Officially the largest cat in the world with 400 Kg and 4 m

Discovery Channel Animal Face-Off simulation results (I trust Discovery Channel to support populist views without giving a damn to truth/logic. A lot of these so-called simulations are plain ridiculous. These might have been made for typical low-IQ rumor-fed people):

Great White Shark beats Saltwater Crocodile (Video Link)

Elephant beats Rhinoceros (Video Link)

Lion beats Tiger. Watch it. As funny as it can be! They made the simulation, and they ‘analyzed’ that, too! Like a lot of video clips taken from movies where a tiger or a lion is suddenly shown as dead, this simulation ends abruptly. For most part, it seems a courtship simulation rather than a fight. Also, Discovery Channel is known to keep their viewers’ bias in mind. When they are catering mainly to North American people, they *must* show that a lion wins. Otherwise they will lose ‘credibility’.

Hippo beats Bull Shark (Video Link)

Cougar beats Wolf (Video Link)

Walrus beats Polar Bear (Video Link). Watch this video, too.

Grizzly Bear beats Siberian Tiger (video Link)

Nile Crocodile beats Lion (Video Link)

Anaconda beats Jaguar (Video Link)

Gorilla beats Leopard (Video Link)

Black Bear beats American Alligator (Video Link)

Sperm whale beats colossal squid (Video Link)

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1. Some links may not work since I don’t have any control over the linked pages

2. Some images posted here may be copyrighted. The copyright remains with the original publisher. If notified, I shall remove those images.

3. There are people who claim “this is sick mentality to talk ’bout animal fights” are just epitomizing prudery. Stop Bull-fighting, where a bull is slowly killed by by a man. Then criticize the discussion on a nearly even fight like a lion vs tiger one.

4. I have no intention of demeaning the author of the Lairweb by saying s/he’s biased. It’s just that his/her approach seems to be - having a conclusion first (Grizzly > Lion > Tiger), and then trying to show partial evidence to support that! Other than that, s/he has done an AWESOME job!

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