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penje! we all are our guurjees children, instead of wasting precious time 'LOVING'.. falling in love, thinking in that way, instead forget it yeh, theres no point, as i said, and will keep saying, love marriages are not right.

sorry.

:)

BUT I LOVE HIM MORE THAN MY JAAN ITSELF!! I CANT LET GO OF HIM. HE MEANS EVERYFING TO MEE!!!!

;)

belive it or not....ur obsessed with this dude

when he ends up walking off or w/e, ull snap outta it

Eventually u will.

p.s u also need to notice that u keep ignoring the fact that its wrong and keep looking for sum "hope" (which u got no chance btw) so chill out... rules of the game wont change so put up with it.

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Someone suggested earlier.. that i should Run away!?? :) Please none of these sort of opinions help. And i would never do anything as such. EVER!

Please, i would much appreiate views and opinions that are not of that sort of nature.

Thank you.

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Someone suggested earlier.. that i should Run away!?? :) Please none of these sort of opinions help. And i would never do anything as such. EVER!

Please, i would much appreiate views and opinions that are not of that sort of nature.

Thank you.

People who say its wrong phenji, believe me they are just jealous that you have got something to love and perhaps would get in to long term relationship i.e. marriage. This is how things happen, and one way of finding a partner. I know someone who is amritdhari, who fell in love and just got married, so dont listen to others, think about your heart and what you do. Bear people are just jealous because they can't fall in love, you can fall in love and get married as well as having your sikhi intact.

If your in a prime age, then go for it, if your too young, then live a little, but people with this kind of mentality only get married when they are budday. No wonder, no one gets married these days, cos they think its wrong to fall in love etc, which is pure bu"!£$"£$"£$ if you ask for my opinion.

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Someone suggested earlier.. that i should Run away!?? :) Please none of these sort of opinions help. And i would never do anything as such. EVER!

Please, i would much appreiate views and opinions that are not of that sort of nature.

Thank you.

People who say its wrong phenji, believe me they are just jealous that you have got something to love and perhaps would get in to long term relationship i.e. marriage. This is how things happen, and one way of finding a partner. I know someone who is amritdhari, who fell in love and just got married, so dont listen to others, think about your heart and what you do. Bear people are just jealous because they can't fall in love, you can fall in love and get married as well as having your sikhi intact.

Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :WW:

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pal hasna umar da rohna

kisse nu koi pyaar na karre..

allah kher karre.. my fellow mastaaniye, this zaalim duniya will never understand what love is.. they'll just say you're mad, crazy, deluded

the beauty of life is love.. even unrequited.. *sighs*

If you want to talk about it more PM karde

Rab Rakha

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People who say its wrong phenji, believe me they are just jealous that you have got something to love and perhaps would get in to long term relationship i.e. marriage. This is how things happen, and one way of finding a partner. I know someone who is amritdhari, who fell in love and just got married, so dont listen to others, think about your heart and what you do. Bear people are just jealous because they can't fall in love, you can fall in love and get married as well as having your sikhi intact.

If your in a prime age, then go for it, if your too young, then live a little, but people with this kind of mentality only get married when they are budday. No wonder, no one gets married these days, cos they think its wrong to fall in love etc, which is pure bu"!£{:content:}quot;£{:content:}quot;£$ if you ask for my opinion.

Tomorrow when there is a ton load of tension and clash between her and the boy's family, when her own parents are in tears in front of her, when some stupid people from both the castes are ready to "do away" with either one of them, then I will wonder who is jealous of whom :) . Also, if this kind of "love" is all that "amazing",why do people say "I FELL in love", why don't they say "I rose in love"? Doesn't that itself stand as a proof that such a "love" makes you FALL? Those who have been saying that the only true love is Vaaheguroo's love do know that only Vaaheguroo's love is genuine. You said "you can fall in love and get married as well as having your sikhi intact". Brother I sure hope you know that when the panj pyaare administer Amrit, they clearly tell you that from this day every man/woman who isn't your spouse is like a brother/sister or father/mother or son/daughter. How is this "love" going to help her in Sikhi when the root cause of the problem is caste (something totally unSikh)? Labelling some people as jealous or not understanding equates one to those who say love is wrong, because at the end both sides are judging each other as wrong. If she truly loves him, she should be bold enough to express it to her parents. She says his parents have no problem, and said her mother isn't strict, so who is left? Her dad? I asked her that if she needs genuine help she should contact the mods and they can maybe talk to her dad. What more does she want from us? We can't rub Aladdin's lamp and invoke a genie who will go scare her dad, can we? What can we do for real, please let me know. If she is too young, she should wait for the right time. In today's professional and competitive world it is always a good idea to tie the knot once you are professionally and financially stable on your feet, which is why you see people marrying late. Some who have had bad experiences find it hard to trust the opposite gender and so choose to stay single. Therefore your logic that "people with this kind of mentality only get married when they are budday. No wonder, no one gets married these days" is I am very sorry to say but totally incorrect.

Life is a path on which one runs after his/her priorities. If her priority in life is this guy whom she loves to death, then by all means she should do whatever it takes to be with him, to make any sacrifice she has to make to marry him. She shouldn't have posted this question on a Sikh forum if thats the case. For a Sikh, his/her first and last priority is Gurujee, the Guru who said "every man/woman who isn't your spouse is like a brother/sister or father/mother or son/daughter".

The choice is in her hands. Who is her priority in life? The boy? Fine, go ahead and marry him at any cost! Or Gurujee? Then do what you should do as a Sikh within the boundaries of Gurmat.

Please forgive me if this post sounded as a personal attack. My only intention was to point out what I found wrong. However, I am not perfect, so if you think I am wrong, please feel free to correct me.

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a part of me wants to say you should be able to love anyone who your parents introduce you o but i would be denying reality, i feel parents have to comprimise also, the beauty of love is that when you follow your heart you unintentionally follow sikhi because you overcome any caste , racial difference because the heart is not brainwashed like the mind is.

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bhenji tell your parents...dont waste ur time in these stupid relationships! our janam is too short to run after someone other than our Guru. I kno it's easier said than done but thats the right hting in teh end....run after ur Guru and not someone else....

I believe in love but still loving someone other than ur Guru is WRONG!

" Bohut Janam Bichray Thai Madho Ehay Janam Tumarey Lekhey "

god knows how many janams we've spent chasing others...lets chase Our Guru this time...ehh?

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People who say its wrong phenji, believe me they are just jealous that you have got something to love and perhaps would get in to long term relationship i.e. marriage. This is how things happen, and one way of finding a partner. I know someone who is amritdhari, who fell in love and just got married, so dont listen to others, think about your heart and what you do. Bear people are just jealous because they can't fall in love, you can fall in love and get married as well as having your sikhi intact.

If your in a prime age, then go for it, if your too young, then live a little, but people with this kind of mentality only get married when they are budday. No wonder, no one gets married these days, cos they think its wrong to fall in love etc, which is pure bu"!£{:content:}quot;£{:content:}quot;£$ if you ask for my opinion.

Tomorrow when there is a ton load of tension and clash between her and the boy's family, when her own parents are in tears in front of her, when some stupid people from both the castes are ready to "do away" with either one of them, then I will wonder who is jealous of whom ;) . Also, if this kind of "love" is all that "amazing",why do people say "I FELL in love", why don't they say "I rose in love"? Doesn't that itself stand as a proof that such a "love" makes you FALL? Those who have been saying that the only true love is Vaaheguroo's love do know that only Vaaheguroo's love is genuine. You said "you can fall in love and get married as well as having your sikhi intact". Brother I sure hope you know that when the panj pyaare administer Amrit, they clearly tell you that from this day every man/woman who isn't your spouse is like a brother/sister or father/mother or son/daughter. How is this "love" going to help her in Sikhi when the root cause of the problem is caste (something totally unSikh)? Labelling some people as jealous or not understanding equates one to those who say love is wrong, because at the end both sides are judging each other as wrong. If she truly loves him, she should be bold enough to express it to her parents. She says his parents have no problem, and said her mother isn't strict, so who is left? Her dad? I asked her that if she needs genuine help she should contact the mods and they can maybe talk to her dad. What more does she want from us? We can't rub Aladdin's lamp and invoke a genie who will go scare her dad, can we? What can we do for real, please let me know. If she is too young, she should wait for the right time. In today's professional and competitive world it is always a good idea to tie the knot once you are professionally and financially stable on your feet, which is why you see people marrying late. Some who have had bad experiences find it hard to trust the opposite gender and so choose to stay single. Therefore your logic that "people with this kind of mentality only get married when they are budday. No wonder, no one gets married these days" is I am very sorry to say but totally incorrect.

Life is a path on which one runs after his/her priorities. If her priority in life is this guy whom she loves to death, then by all means she should do whatever it takes to be with him, to make any sacrifice she has to make to marry him. She shouldn't have posted this question on a Sikh forum if thats the case. For a Sikh, his/her first and last priority is Gurujee, the Guru who said "every man/woman who isn't your spouse is like a brother/sister or father/mother or son/daughter".

The choice is in her hands. Who is her priority in life? The boy? Fine, go ahead and marry him at any cost! Or Gurujee? Then do what you should do as a Sikh within the boundaries of Gurmat.

Please forgive me if this post sounded as a personal attack. My only intention was to point out what I found wrong. However, I am not perfect, so if you think I am wrong, please feel free to correct me.

I love this guy!!!!!! :)

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People who say its wrong phenji, believe me they are just jealous that you have got something to love and perhaps would get in to long term relationship i.e. marriage. This is how things happen, and one way of finding a partner. I know someone who is amritdhari, who fell in love and just got married, so dont listen to others, think about your heart and what you do. Bear people are just jealous because they can't fall in love, you can fall in love and get married as well as having your sikhi intact.

If your in a prime age, then go for it, if your too young, then live a little, but people with this kind of mentality only get married when they are budday. No wonder, no one gets married these days, cos they think its wrong to fall in love etc, which is pure bu"!£{:content:}quot;£{:content:}quot;£$ if you ask for my opinion.

Tomorrow when there is a ton load of tension and clash between her and the boy's family, when her own parents are in tears in front of her, when some stupid people from both the castes are ready to "do away" with either one of them, then I will wonder who is jealous of whom :) . Also, if this kind of "love" is all that "amazing",why do people say "I FELL in love", why don't they say "I rose in love"? Doesn't that itself stand as a proof that such a "love" makes you FALL? Those who have been saying that the only true love is Vaaheguroo's love do know that only Vaaheguroo's love is genuine. You said "you can fall in love and get married as well as having your sikhi intact". Brother I sure hope you know that when the panj pyaare administer Amrit, they clearly tell you that from this day every man/woman who isn't your spouse is like a brother/sister or father/mother or son/daughter. How is this "love" going to help her in Sikhi when the root cause of the problem is caste (something totally unSikh)? Labelling some people as jealous or not understanding equates one to those who say love is wrong, because at the end both sides are judging each other as wrong. If she truly loves him, she should be bold enough to express it to her parents. She says his parents have no problem, and said her mother isn't strict, so who is left? Her dad? I asked her that if she needs genuine help she should contact the mods and they can maybe talk to her dad. What more does she want from us? We can't rub Aladdin's lamp and invoke a genie who will go scare her dad, can we? What can we do for real, please let me know. If she is too young, she should wait for the right time. In today's professional and competitive world it is always a good idea to tie the knot once you are professionally and financially stable on your feet, which is why you see people marrying late. Some who have had bad experiences find it hard to trust the opposite gender and so choose to stay single. Therefore your logic that "people with this kind of mentality only get married when they are budday. No wonder, no one gets married these days" is I am very sorry to say but totally incorrect.

Life is a path on which one runs after his/her priorities. If her priority in life is this guy whom she loves to death, then by all means she should do whatever it takes to be with him, to make any sacrifice she has to make to marry him. She shouldn't have posted this question on a Sikh forum if thats the case. For a Sikh, his/her first and last priority is Gurujee, the Guru who said "every man/woman who isn't your spouse is like a brother/sister or father/mother or son/daughter".

The choice is in her hands. Who is her priority in life? The boy? Fine, go ahead and marry him at any cost! Or Gurujee? Then do what you should do as a Sikh within the boundaries of Gurmat.

Please forgive me if this post sounded as a personal attack. My only intention was to point out what I found wrong. However, I am not perfect, so if you think I am wrong, please feel free to correct me.

True, but am speaking from experience, I am 31 nearly 32, and I got married when I was 25. If I looked upon every women as a sister, I dont think I would have been married, my argument is your got to draw the line sometimes and take the bate and get married, otherwise you be 99 years old if you had mentality like that. Its good to think of others as sisters, but you if you are looking for marriage then you cant simple as, I mean would you sleep with your sister? (No offence), answer would be NO, but if you are looking for marriage then you would try and find a partner for yourself or with your parents. It different these days, its kaljug, and you got to get around it.

As for the question, I think it is wrong to put it on a forum and she needs to make a decision and make all ends meet.

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If I looked upon every women as a sister, I dont think I would have been married, my argument is your got to draw the line sometimes and take the bate and get married, otherwise you be 99 years old if you had mentality like that.
http://forums.waheguroo.com/index.php?show...c=23362&hl=

I was told something a while ago and found it inspirational. It was about one of the 13 Singhs, and I am assuming it was about Shaheed Jathedar Bhai Amrik Singh because they were very young.

One of the 13 Singhs (who I'm assuming was Bhai Sahib but will verify), was engaged at the time of their Shaheedi. What is inspirational though is that they still called their "fiance" Bhainji and fully saw her as a sister. Everyone around Bhai Sahib would be poking him and saying Singho you do not have to call her Bhainji anymore, you are engaged to her. And Singh ji said that he will always call her and see her as his own sister, until the actual day that they walk around Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji together and become husband and wife in the eyes of Vaaheguru. Until then, she is my sister, Bhai Sahib said.

I hope now you get what I mean. There are people who outwardly say "veerji/bhenji" for the sake of saying, but have ulterior motives. At the same time others do mean it when they say it. Then there are others who don't say "veerji/bhenji" at all thinking "Who will I marry if everyone becomes veerji/bhenji", and others don't say it from outside rather see others as brothers and sisters in their hearts/minds. So basically, at the end of the day, one has to stand by what one says, and also have clear intentions within oneself. Both of these conditions apply, not just one.

Its good to think of others as sisters, but you if you are looking for marriage then you cant
Thats exactly what I used to think, but this "veerji/bhenji" concept in terms of Gurmat became more clear to me after I read the above sakhi. As a Sikh, we REGARD everyone as brother/sister, meaning we DON'T think filthy about ANYONE at ANY point (which is more than impossible). Here is what I said 4 years ago on a similar topic...

Do NOT have evil thoughts about anyone in your mind, especially someone of another gender. This is really really hard, but it is the only way I feel can help. You have a friend who is of your opposite gender,ok. Do NOT think bad or feel anything about them. This way, if he/she calls you veerjee/bhenji in future, you wont have the.. "Oh no! He/she called me veerjee/bhenji! Now I can't fool around/flirt with him/her!"...shock. And if things take a different turn, and you both reach a point of marriage, still you won't get any shock, as you never had any expectations. This way, no matter what happens, veerjee/bhenjee situation, or husband/wife situation, you won't get any shock, you will accept whatever comes, and why? because your mind was free from dirt and filth right from the beginning.

It all boils down to one's intentions brother, and thats what we are accounted for when we face Dharamraj. Like they say "actions speak louder than words". I can call every bibi "bhenji" and still "fool around" when no one is around. At the same time, I may call her by her name instead of bhenji, but respect her the same way I respect my own sister. Its all about what I have in mind.

It different these days, its kaljug, and you got to get around it.
It is Kaljug, you are right, which makes the "having clean intentions, clean heart, clean mind" part seem next to impossible, and it is. But as you've read above, there have been GurSikhs who have got around Kaljug. I just wish I can at least immitate them.

Bhul chuk maaf

ps: 9unjabi girl started 2 threads on her "love life". Both have reached a saturation point. I guess I don't have to state what needs to be done to both of them now.

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I was also in favour of prosecuting those who had rioted and beaten the villagers. K.P.S.Gill was then the lG of CRPF. He was not willing  to take any action against his men .He approached the Home Ministry in Delhi to ensure that sanction was not accorded for criminal prosecution. Finally the government of lndia did not sanction the prosecution. This was not the first time that Gill had thwarted my attempts to discipline the CRPF.”  “ln a village near Jalandhar, there was a quarrel between a farmer and his servant. The servant complained to CRPF nearby. The farmer and his son were in a belligerent mood. One of the CRPF jawan opened fire and the farmer was shot dead. Balwant Singh finance minister phoned me to protest. I told him that I would register an offence against the culprit. Gill took up their case with the result that sanction to prosecute the para- military personnel was refused.”   Now mark the contrast. On one-side persons in uniform commit murders and they go scot-free. On the other side a Sikh minister insults an inspector and a criminal offence is registered against him. Yet the ministers remains stuck to the chair as it brought money and a Iittle  matter.   “Complaint made by SHO of the civil lines police station Amritsar alleged that a senior minister Harbhajan Singh Sandhu had snatched away his service revolver and torn his uniform. The minister however said that he had merely spoken to the officer on telephone to ask why Sardarilal , a petition writer picked up by the police. The minister charged that the SHO was drunk and abused him on the telephone. I ordered that an offence to be registered against the minister. The chief minister [Barnala] was naturally very disturbed at my action.”    Ribeiro has cited some more examples of this nature where he has claimed that he over ruled the ministers. Thus even the chief minister could not intervene in the powers of police i.e. the police is more powerful than even the CM. Police in the Punjab is thus autonomous and no political government including that of Akalis is competent to intervene in their work. Recently P.S.Badal pleaded to the 'police that it should disband its black cats brigade when it was being rumoured that they had indulged into some killings. Like the murder of salesman on the Lawrence Road, Amritsar and the death of an Akali worker near Ludhiana.    BUREAUCRACY AND JUDICIARY ALSO  PLAYED A SUBORDINATE ROLE   Ribeiro gives an account how judiciary had become irrelevant as it couldn't refuse bail to the culprit. But how bureaucracy had become irrelevant, it is some what interesting to note from 'Bullet for Bullet'. It is clearly indicated that even the senior most bureaucrat felt danger from police: the bullet of the police. Ribeiro narrates how a warped mind IAS officer of the rank of secretary wrote to the Chief Secretary.  “I was called by Prafulla Vaishnav and shown a letter written to him [Prafulla] by the same officer. The letter said that he feared for his life as I [Ribeiro] had hatched a plan to kill him. He asked for protection. I was totally amazed that a responsible officer of the rank of a secretary could make such an allegation.”   We may believe Ribeiro that the complainant was a warped mind. but we can't ignore the fact that he was a senior bureaucrat of the rank of a secretary. In no other state of India police was vested with such unlimited powers as in the Punjab. May be we can't  find parallels in the world history.   RIBEIRO KILL ANY NUMBER OF SIKHS BUT DON'T ASK FOR PROSECUTION OF '84 RIOT  CULPRITS - RAJIV GANDHI    Ribeiro writes that during his public contact programme he found that there were basically  two points that troubled the villagers: massacre of Sikhs in Delhi and non release of Jodhpur detainees though there existed some other excuses also like the non implementation o f Rajiv-Longowal Accord, River waters, Chandigarh. Ribeiro claims that he regularly used to bring  these in the notice of Prime Minister. Writes  he;    “The Prime Minister was being advised by various confidants at different times. He was advised by Arjun Singh, Arun Nehru S.K. Fotedar,  Buta Singh,  B.G.Deshmukh,  Mrs Sarla Grewal. The only official who spoke and was heard at routine meetings was M.K.Narayanan the director of the lB. Sarla Grewal from behind the prime ministers shoulders kept making signs to me encouraging me to speak up. I was the only officer these meetings to advocate the prosecution of politicians accused of inciting the mobs to kill the Sikhs in Delhi after Mrs.Gandhi's assassination. At first Rajiv did not react to what I said. Ray advised me not to voice this sentiment again. However I was not to stay silent when convinced that a grave injustice was being done. Because it was I who was fighting a difficult battle to win the hearts of the Sikhs Ray was called away. I took the advantage of Ray's absence to raise the issue of the Delhi riots. Rajiv Gandhi lost his temper. He said that he did not want me to raise this matter again.”   All this shows that these officials and ministers were the people whose conscience was dead . Ribeiro who is now trying to be reasonable and just had little respect for the human values during his tenure as DGP Punjab. It was his tenure when the police invented hair raising brutal tools and ways to torture the suspected Sikhs.   SECRET OF KALE KACHHEWALE UNFOLDED?   The years roughly from 1989 to 1994 saw a lot of harassment of villagers by the night brigades who were conspicuous of their being without any garment except a Punjabi underpants called kachha. The brigade would operate in the night only to commit robberies, rapes and murders. The villagers suspected that they were policemen as at some places they were also caught and identified. So far the police has not admitted their existence. We get an inkling from ‘Bullet for Bullet’ that the Govt .had authorised the police to move around in what it is called the 'civil dress' in the parlance of forces in uniform. Writes Ribeiro;   “It was commonly said in Punjab that the police were in charge of the rural area of during the daytime. At night the terrorists took over since the policemen were themselves reluctant to face the ' terrorists' bullets rn the dark. A solution to this piquant situation was found after much deliberation and thought. The policemen were permitted to patrol at night in plain clothes.”   Punjabis knew  that they never came across any police in plain clothes during night. All check posts were otherwise manned by uniformed  police men. The only conclusion  that can be drawn is that  the 'kale kachhe  brigade' was the policemen in plain clothes.   RIBEIRO WAS NOT IN FAVOUR OF BLACK THUNDER.   Golden Temple, Amirtsar, April 29, 1986-H.S.Bhanwar of daily Ajit gives a graphic account how the declaration of Khalistan was made from Golden Temple precincts. The 'Panthic Panj Memberi Committee' enters the precincts; wearing pants, shirts and their beard tied up. They change their dress to white cholas, round kesri turbans; to look like Bhindranwale, untie their beards to let them flow. Then a declaration believed to have been vetted in  Buta Singh's office is distributed to press reporters. The statement said that the Khalistan has come into being. Delhi is to be the capital of Khalistan where Hindus have the same rights as the Sikhs. After the declaration the committee members change to their original dress and mix up with the crowd and disappear. The Government had earlier tried to get this declaration made by Baba Joginder Singh father of Sant Bhindrawale and latter by Gurdev Singh Kaonke the Akal Takhat head priest on their refusal this 'committee' was imported from USA. The declaration was important as the government wanted to send police in the Golden Temple through the Akali Govt and justify their own Operation Blue star. It was after this declaration the operation Black Thunder -I was carried out as a result of which the position of S.S.Barnala diluted and he ultimately saw his dismissal. Now see what Ribeiro writes about the incidence;   “On April 29 I was camping at Gurdaspur. ln the middle of night I received a message from headquarters that that Arun Singh, Arjun Singh, and Barnala were on their way to Amritsar by special Plane. Accordingly, my wife and I got into our car and drove down to Amritsar, reaching the airport at about 2 am [night] on 30 April. I met the Chief Minister, Arun Singh and Arjun Singh [who had reached].The Chief Minister told me that he had decided to flush out the terrorist from the temple and that I should carry out the operation next night. Arun Singh added that NSG contingent was being flown into Amritsar during the day. I pointed out to them that terrorists had already left the temple after making announcement of Khalistan. l was told that the government was aware of the development but a message had to be delivered to the separatists which was only possible if flushing operation were undertaken. At midnight the operation was launched. Except for the shooting  of man named Gurdev Singh everything went according to plan. Main criticism of this action was that that the police has not been successful in nabbing the wanted terrorists... ....Giani Puran Singh... had helped the Police to persuade Jathedar Gurdev Singh, the terrorist nominee to surrender.”   Black Thunder episode reveals how the  government plays with the Sikh institutions and how the power hungry Sikh politicians (like Barnala) fall a pray to the government. Unfortunately there have been several Barnalas .   ON POLITICAL SOLUTION   “The Jat Sikh farmer felt some sneaking sympathy for the 'boys' as they were called, because they were their co-religionists, belonging to the same community and because in their estimation they were sacrificing everything including their lives, for their cause. Sacrifice is a concept that is very dear to the Sikh psyche. The Sikh masses have been told that the  government was unjust to them...”   “Even though I said that no political solution, other than that of conceding a separate state, would please the terrorists . I must emphasize that the government was duty -bound to provide inputs that would have coaxed the Sikh masses to join the 'fight against the terrorists.. . ... .The terrorists though in a minority, had guns in their hands. They could shoot innocent people and create terror among Hindus and Sikhs who opposed them. They could target Sikh politicians and send them to hibernation. The only person who could meet them on equal terms were the policemen because they were armed. Hence any talk of political solution which could satisfy them was out of question...The message that they wanted to give to the Akali politicians was that they should not accept any compromise that excluded Khalistan....All talk of political solutions, was therefore academic. The Rajiv -Longowal accord was a very reasonable document. That it was not implemented is sad commentary on the politicians at the Centre as well as Punjab and Haryana.”   Ribeiro tells us how the police employed criminals to infiltrate into the ranks of the militants:-   CATS AND DOGS OF POLICE.   “ln normal day-to-day policing the police use informers to identify and locate criminals. The informers are from the underworld. Law-abiding citizens would never tell who the thieves and robbers are, lt was very  disconcerting when even thinking journalists criticise the police enthusiasm for infiltering the terrorist ranks. How else would the police get information about them...This was not easy.. infiltrating of terrorist groups had to be planned very carefully. The terrorists, would liquidate any traitor to their cause. Only most intrepid of men would volunteer for such jobs for the lure of money or other rewards. People with criminal pasts were approached and a few of them agreed to form groups and confront the real militants in their: dens. It was known terrorists used to visit Golden Temple quite frequently. lf they are identified it will not be difficult to nab them...the problem was the police did not know the identity of the boys"   “Though this brings us quite good results in the beginning, it could not be ,sustained because the people we employed were susceptible to inducements. The police did give them financial and logistical support but their demands grew to an extent where it was impossible to satisfy them within our sources. Besides they were very greedy people , with a criminal tendency, who began to prey on law abiding rich citizens on the assumption that the police were indebted to them and so would do nothing to stop them.”  “IF YOU DON'T ARREST ME PEOPLE WILL SAY I AM A  TRAITOR?”   Ribeiro tells us that at times Akalis were arrested as precautionary measure and this , would cause embarrassment to such leaders ,who were not pro-Khalistan, as they stood exposed.  “When the main leaders were being arrested, Balwant Singh former finance minister was excluded because we felt that he was not really a religious personality, just a businessman politician. Balwant Singh was so upset at not being arrested that he phoned Ray and begged him to have him also locked   conveyed this request to me. Subsequently Balwant was also escorted to prison. They were accorded special treatment so that they did not have to experience the rigours of prison life.”    CATS “There was another undercover operation planned Amritsar SSP lzhar Alam and his companions which was nicknamed 'cats'....whenever some terrorist was caught efforts were made by the police to win them over and they would be induced into our anti-terrorist operations. They were kept at police expense in safe houses and compensated handsomely with money and other incentives. They identified wanted terrorists for us from cars with tinted glasses.”   THE CAT BOOMERANGS “One such criminal was a former smuggler who had close contacts with some leading terrorist groups... was recommended to me by Gur lqbal Singh Bhullar an IPS officer... The smuggler had once been a constable and had been dismissed from service. Gur lqbal came to me with a request to reinstate him in the police because he could locate maximum number of dreaded terrorists also Gobind Ram Bhatti, and lzhar Alam pressed me to agree.”   “Gur lqbal took charge of him at Patiala. He [smuggler] succeeded in rounding up a few known terrorists.[now] Sital Das was appointed SSP of Patiala. He called on me to tell that the ex-smuggler had located some very notorious terrorists at Chandigarh. He wanted permission to use force if necessary.”   “One afternoon l was at lunch at our home in Chandigarh when there was a commotion in the compound. I went out  to investigate and was told that some terrorists [smuggler and his accomplices] had been arrested. The car abandoned in front of the house adjoining mine was the one in which they were travelling.”   “Soon afterwards some body else came to inform me that the persons who had been caught had shot two others on the main road.”   “I myself phoned SSP Patiala and told him what has happened He motored down immediately to Chandigarh and sorted out the matter with the local [Chandigarh] police.”[telling them the smuggler/killer was a police cat.]   [later] “The ex-smuggler had committed a decoity. The SSP Patiala and other police officers were trying to Put restriction  on his movements. They were also asking him to surrender his weapons which he was very reluctant to do. These 'demands were making him desperate and he was now talking of killing the officers.”  “I phoned the SSP to alert him; the ex- smuggler managed to do his worst.' He entered the office of SSP to confront him .The SP was also sitting in the office of SSP at that time. The smuggler shot both these officers at point blank range. On hearing the shots an inspector sitting in the adjoining room came in and shot dead the smuggler on the spot.”   SNATCHING CARS  “Police began to requisition cars of ordinary citizens for the purpose of anti- terrorist operations. lzhar Alam at Amritsar and Sumedh Saini at Ludhiana were the worst offenders in this respect. Frequently people travelling by car were ordered by the police to get down and hand over the keys and I received numerous complaints. One of them was from the Army commander of Western command whose son-in-law was victim. I pulled up these officers. I forbade them to requisition cars in this manner. ln stead I requisitioned a dozen cars from secret funds and placed them at the disposal of these two young officers.”    http://www.punjabmonitor.com/2013/07/ribeiro-on-kps-gill.html
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