Sikhs Can't Marry Out Of Caste?

[Guru_Da_Chella]

to show we are equal in reality and can all be gurmukhs no matter what caste, - on another note I get annoyed with these translation websites why translate into Hindi,most Sikhs can't even read Hindi,or whatever language that is ,just stick to gurmukhi

Take some Cimetidine everytime you see a Hindu or read hindi..it should help with your allergic symptoms

:LOLz:

Revolutionary, If you think you are funny, then be assured, you ain't.

yes he is :lol:

[Laadli Fauj]

awww, sunny got mad

[Guru_Da_Chella]

to show we are equal in reality and can all be gurmukhs no matter what caste, - on another note I get annoyed with these translation websites why translate into Hindi,most Sikhs can't even read Hindi,or whatever language that is ,just stick to gurmukhi

Sarpanch do u consider hindus as being equal to u?.......

[DalbirSingh]

)))) Singh ji this is a prophecy , it just further tells us even more to reject the caste system. Because it was written in a time were this would have seemed completely impossible, but has happened shows the grace of the guru. IT is nto written in a bad context, or good, just presented as a fact so to say.

The reason the Guru's primarily married into there own caste was because they were bound to by there families also they were carrying out hindu ritual marriage were marrying out of the caste would have been objectional to the main brahmanical order and there marriage may have not taken place of then, but was also in respect to there families and there wishes.

Upto the first 3 Gurus, the Gurgaddi was not passed on to the son/family, but to the most able disciple within the Panth hence greatest disciple. Guru Angad Dev (Bhai Lehna)- the second Guru - laterpassed on the responsibility of Panth to his disciple Guru Amardas - the third Guru - in his own life.

Once upon a time Guru Angad was taking bath. After taking bath he sat down on a wooden platform (takhat) and started meditating. Bhani Kunwar Ji - (wife of Guru Amardas ji) was sitting nearby to look after the aged Guru. One of the supports (paya) of the takhat was weak and started falling apart. Guru Angad was still in meditation, and nobody else was around. Bhani ji, afraid that aged Guru may fall down and get hurt, and seeing no other option, put her own feet in the place of the support. Nails digged into her flesh and weight of the platform was much. As a result she started bleeding profusely but did not wake the Guru up from his meditation.

When Guru Angad got up after meditating, he saw the scene, and felt greatly for the devotion of Bhaniji. In that state he asked Bhaniji to ask for any wish and it would be granted. She refused to ask, but Guru insisted. At last she said if Guru really wanted to bless her with something, she wanted that the Gurupad of Sikh panth should stay withing her children and their children, and not go to anyone outside her family.

Hearing this, Guru became very serious and sad. He said Gurgaddi only belongs to Guru Nanak and no one else had any authority to claim it or grant it. He further said sadly that since he had already promised her, her wish would be fulfilled, but from then onwards Sikh Gurus and their devoted Sikhs would endure great hardships, as this was a disobey to Guru Nanak.

There is more detail to this sakhi but it is why the gurgadi came into to the sodhi family, in dasam granth narates the ancient story between guru nanak the bedi clain origin on meeting sodhi family and an ancient order having preplaneed giving a physical kingship for a spirtual kingship.

One of the main reasons why the married into there own clans, they could have married out of there clan in the same caste, but kept to the same subcaste.

You should remember the way of a Gursikh there family seeks a wife who is gursikh, as per there gristri jevan it has to be such that, on entering khalsa panth, khalsa is your caste, and family and everything, the belief per sikh should be on one day to come to a state where they can be ready for amrit da pahul, for a sevak sehjadhari sikh that is. Most modern defintions would outcaste someone with other considerations or ideas in there mind.

So :6

In the end remember what maharaj hadth said.

Aval Allah noor upaaeiaa kudrat ke sab bandey ||

Ek noor te sab jag upajaiaa koun bhalae ko mande ?

logaa bharam n bhoolahu bhaaee ||

khaalik khalak.. khalak mehi khaalik poor rahiou srab thaii....

First, Allah created the Light;

then, by His Creative Power, He made all mortal beings.

From the One Light, the entire universe welled up.

So who is good, and who is bad? ||1||

O people, O Siblings of Destiny, do not wander deluded by doubt.

The Creation is in the Creator, and the Creator is in the Creation,

totally pervading and permeating all places. ||1||Pause||

The clay is the same,

but the Fashioner has fashioned it in various ways.

There is nothing wrong with the pot of clay

- there is nothing wrong with the Potter. ||2||

The One True Lord abides in all;

by His making, everything is made.

Whoever realizes the Hukam of His Command,

knows the One Lord.

He alone is said to be the Lord's slave. ||3||

The Lord Allah is Unseen; He cannot be seen.

The Guru has blessed me with this sweet molasses.

Says Kabeer, my anxiety and fear have been taken away;

I see the Immaculate Lord pervading everywhere. ||

(SGGS)

“The special feature of the Sikh of the Guru is that he goes beyond the framework of caste classification and moves in humility. Then his labor becomes acceptable at the door of God” (Gurdas Ji’s Vaars, 1).

ਜਾਣਹੁ ਜੋਤਿ ਨ ਪੂਛਹੁ ਜਾਤੀ ਆਗੈ ਜਾਤਿ ਨ ਹੇ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

जाणहु जोति न पूछहु जाती आगै जाति न हे ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥

Jāṇhu joṯ na pūcẖẖahu jāṯī āgai jāṯ na hė. ||1|| rahā­o.

Recognize the Lord's Light within all, and do not consider social class or status; there are no classes or castes in the world hereafter. ||1||Pause||

Guru Nanak Dev Page 349, Line 13

Sanṯ janā kī jāṯ har su­āmī ṯumĥ ṯẖākur ham sāʼngī.

God, the Lord and Master, is the caste and social status of His humble Saints. You are the Lord and Master; I am just Your puppet.

Guru Ram Das Page 667, Line 4

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Ik­oaʼnkār saṯgur parsāḏ.

One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:

When someone of low social class chants the Lord's Name, he obtains the state of highest dignity.

Go and ask Bidar, the son of a maid; Krishna himself stayed in his house. ||1||

Listen, O humble Siblings of Destiny, to the Unspoken Speech of the Lord; it removes all anxiety, pain and hunger. ||1||Pause||

Ravi Daas, the leather-worker, praised the Lord, and sang the Kirtan of His Praises each and every instant.

Although he was of low social status, he was exalted and elevated, and people of all four castes came and bowed at his feet. ||2||

Naam Dayv loved the Lord; the people called him a fabric dyer.

The Lord turned His back on the high-class Kh'shaatriyas and Brahmins, and showed His face to Naam Dayv. ||3||

All of the devotees and servants of the Lord have the tilak, the ceremonial mark, applied to their foreheads at the sixty-eight sacred shrines of pilgrimage.

Servant Nanak shall touch their feet night and day, if the Lord, the King, grants His Grace. ||4||1||8||

ਵਰਨਾ ਵਰਨ ਨ ਭਾਵਨੀ ਜੇ ਕਿਸੈ ਵਡਾ ਕਰੇਇ ॥

वरना वरन न भावनी जे किसै वडा करेइ ॥

varnā varan na bẖāvnī jė kisai vadā karė­i.

One class of people does not like the other, when one has been made great.

ਵਡੇ ਹਥਿ ਵਡਿਆਈਆ ਜੈ ਭਾਵੈ ਤੈ ਦੇਇ ॥

वडे हथि वडिआईआ जै भावै तै देइ ॥

vadė hath vaḏi­ā­ī­ā jai bẖāvai ṯai ḏė­ė.

Greatness is only in His Great Hands; He gives to those with whom He is pleased.

Guru Granth Sahib Page 53 ਮਃ 1

ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਕੇ ਬੇਤੇ ਸਬਦੁ ਪਛਾਣਹਿ ਹਉਮੈ ਜਾਤਿ ਗਵਾਈ ॥

ब्रहम के बेते सबदु पछाणहि हउमै जाति गवाई ॥

Barahm kė bėṯė sabaḏ pacẖẖāṇeh ha­umai jāṯ gavā­ī.

Those who know God and recognize His Shabad lose their ego and class (caste) consciousness.

Guru Amar Das - Page 67, Line 13

ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਜਾਤਿ ਪਤਿ ਸਭੁ ਆਪੇ ॥

गुरमुखि जाति पति सभु आपे ॥

Gurmukẖ jāṯ paṯ sabẖ āpė.

To the Gurmukh, the Lord Himself is social class, status and all honor.

Guru Amar Das - Page 117, Line 7

ਜਾਤੀ ਦੈ ਕਿਆ ਹਥਿ ਸਚੁ ਪਰਖੀਐ ॥

जाती दै किआ हथि सचु परखीऐ ॥

Jāṯī ḏai ki­ā hath sacẖ parkẖī­ai.

What good is social class and status? Truthfulness is measured within.

ਮਹੁਰਾ ਹੋਵੈ ਹਥਿ ਮਰੀਐ ਚਖੀਐ ॥

महुरा होवै हथि मरीऐ चखीऐ ॥

Mahurā hovai hath marī­ai cẖakẖī­ai.

Pride in one's status is like poison-holding it in your hand and eating it, you shall die.

Guru Nanak Dev Page 142, Line 15

ਕਰਮੁ ਧਰਮੁ ਤੇਰੇ ਨਾਮ ਕੀ ਜਾਤਿ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

करमु धरमु तेरे नाम की जाति ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥

Karam ḏẖaram ṯėrė nām kī jāṯ. ||1|| rahā­o.

The karma of actions, the Dharma of righteousness, social class and status, are contained within Your Name. ||1||Pause||

Guru Nanak Dev - Page 154, Line 2

ਵਰਨ ਚਿਹਨ ਸਗਲਹ ਤੇ ਰਹਤਾ ॥

वरन चिहन सगलह ते रहता ॥

varan cẖihan saglah ṯė rahṯā.

He rises above all social classes and status symbols,

ਨਾਨਕ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਜੋ ਕਹਤਾ ॥੪੬॥

नानक हरि हरि गुरमुखि जो कहता ॥४६॥

Nānak har har gurmukẖ jo kahṯā. ||46||

O Nanak, one who becomes Gurmukh and chants the Name of the Lord, Har, Har. ||46||

Guru Arjan Dev Page 259, Line 19

ਭੇਖ ਵਰਨ ਦੀਸਹਿ ਸਭਿ ਖੇਹ ॥

भेख वरन दीसहि सभि खेह ॥

Bẖėkẖ varan ḏīseh sabẖ kẖėh.

All the religious robes and social classes look just like dust.

ਜੋ ਉਪਜੈ ਸੋ ਆਵੈ ਜਾਇ ॥

जो उपजै सो आवै जाइ ॥

Jo upjai so āvai jā­ė.

Whoever is born, continues to come and go.

ਨਾਨਕ ਅਸਥਿਰੁ ਨਾਮੁ ਰਜਾਇ ॥੪॥੧੧॥

नानक असथिरु नामु रजाइ ॥४॥११॥

Nānak asthir nām rajā­ė. ||4||11||

O Nanak, only the Naam and the Lord's Command are eternal and everlasting. ||4||11||

Page 352, Line 4 Guru Nanak Dev

ਬਿਨੁ ਨਾਵੈ ਸਭ ਨੀਚ ਜਾਤਿ ਹੈ ਬਿਸਟਾ ਕਾ ਕੀੜਾ ਹੋਇ ॥੭॥

बिनु नावै सभ नीच जाति है बिसटा का कीड़ा होइ ॥७॥

Bin nāvai sabẖ nīcẖ jāṯ hai bistā kā kīṛā ho­ė. ||7||

Without the Naam, all are low class, like maggots in manure. ||7||

Guru Amar Das - Page 426, Line 17

All the wealthy, high class property owners which you see, O my mind, shall vanish, like the fading color of the safflower.

Serve the True, Immaculate Lord forever, O my mind, and you shall be honored in the Court of the Lord. ||2||

Guru Ram Das - Page 861, Line 6

Har ko nām lai ūṯam ḏẖarmā.

Chanting the Name of the Lord is the highest religion.

Har har karaṯ jāṯ kul harī.

Chanting the Name of the Lord, Har, Har, erases social classes and ancestral pedigrees.

So har anḏẖulė kī lākrī. ||1||

The Lord is the walking stick of the blind. ||1||

Har­ė namasṯė har­ė namah.

I bow to the Lord, I humbly bow to the Lord.

Har har karaṯ nahī ḏukẖ jamah. ||1|| rahā­o.

Chanting the Name of the Lord, Har, Har, you will not be tormented by the Messenger of Death. ||1||Pause||

Bhagat(Devotee) Namdev Guru Granth Sahib Page 874

ਤੂ ਦਾਨਾ ਤੂ ਅਬਿਚਲੁ ਤੂਹੀ ਤੂ ਜਾਤਿ ਮੇਰੀ ਪਾਤੀ ॥

तू दाना तू अबिचलु तूही तू जाति मेरी पाती ॥

Ŧū ḏānā ṯū abicẖal ṯūhī ṯū jāṯ mėrī pāṯī.

You are wise; You are eternal and unchanging. You are my social class(caste) and honor.

Guru Arjan Dev Page 884, Line 7

ਜਤਿ ਪਤਿ ਸਚੁ ਸਚਾ ਸਚੁ ਸੋਈ ਹਉਮੈ ਮਾਰਿ ਮਿਲਾਇਦਾ ॥੯॥

जति पति सचु सचा सचु सोई हउमै मारि मिलाइदा ॥९॥

Jaṯ paṯ sacẖ sacẖā sacẖ so­ī ha­umai mār milā­iḏā. ||9||

The Lord, the Truest of the True, is his social class and honor. Conquering his ego, he is united with the Lord. ||9||

Guru Amar Das Page 1061, Line 6

ਵਰਨੁ ਜਾਤਿ ਚਿਹਨੁ ਨਹੀ ਕੋਈ ਸਭ ਹੁਕਮੇ ਸ੍ਰਿਸਟਿ ਉਪਾਇਦਾ ॥੧॥

वरनु जाति चिहनु नही कोई सभ हुकमे स्रिसटि उपाइदा ॥१॥

varan jāṯ cẖihan nahī ko­ī sabẖ hukmė sarisat upā­iḏā. ||1||

He has no race or social class, no identifying mark. By the Hukam of His Will, He created the entire universe. ||1||

Guru Arjan Dev Page 1075, Line 13

ਕਬੀਰ ਕੋ ਠਾਕੁਰੁ ਅਨਦ ਬਿਨੋਦੀ ਜਾਤਿ ਨ ਕਾਹੂ ਕੀ ਮਾਨੀ ॥੨॥੯॥

कबीर को ठाकुरु अनद बिनोदी जाति न काहू की मानी ॥२॥९॥

Kabīr ko ṯẖākur anaḏ binoḏī jāṯ na kāhū kī mānī. ||2||9||

Kabeer's Lord and Master is joyous and blissful; He does not care about anyone's social class. ||2||9||

(Devotee) Bhagat Kabir ji Page 1105, Line 3

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Ik­oaʼnkār saṯgur parsāḏ.

One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:

No one should be proud of his social class and status.

He alone is a Brahmin, who knows God. ||1||

Do not be proud of your social class(caste) and status, you ignorant fool!

So much sin and corruption comes from this pride. ||1||Pause||

Everyone says that there are four castes, four social classes.

They all emanate from the drop of God's Seed. ||2||

The entire universe is made of the same clay.

The Potter has shaped it into all sorts of vessels. ||3||

The five elements join together, to make up the form of the human body.

Who can say which is less, and which is more? ||4||

Says Nanak, this soul is bound by its actions.

Without meeting the True Guru, it is not liberated. ||5||1||

Guru Amar Das -Guru Granth Sahib Page 1127

ਉਲਟਿ ਜਾਤਿ ਕੁਲ ਦੋਊ ਬਿਸਾਰੀ ॥

उलटि जाति कुल दोऊ बिसारी ॥

Ulat jāṯ kul ḏo­ū bisārī.

Turning away from the world, I have forgotten both my social class and ancestry.

(Devotee) Bhagat Kabir ji Page 1158, Line 19

ਅਬਰਨ ਬਰਨ ਸਿਉ ਮਨ ਹੀ ਪ੍ਰੀਤਿ ॥

अबरन बरन सिउ मन ही प्रीति ॥

Abran baran si­o man hī parīṯ.

Those who believe in high and low social classes,

ਹਉਮੈ ਗਾਵਨਿ ਗਾਵਹਿ ਗੀਤ ॥

हउमै गावनि गावहि गीत ॥

Ha­umai gāvan gāvahi gīṯ.

only sing songs and chants of egotism.

Bhagat Kabir ji - SGGSji Page 1162, Line 9

ਜਾਤਿ ਬਰਨ ਕੁਲ ਸਹਸਾ ਚੂਕਾ ਗੁਰਮਤਿ ਸਬਦਿ ਬੀਚਾਰੀ ॥੧॥

जाति बरन कुल सहसा चूका गुरमति सबदि बीचारी ॥१॥

Jāṯ baran kul sahsā cẖūkā gurmaṯ sabaḏ bīcẖārī. ||1||

Social class and status, race, ancestry and skepticism are eliminated, following the Guru's Teachings and contemplating the Word of the Shabad. ||1||

Guru Nanak Dev Page 1198, Line 2

ਉਤਮ ਮਧਿਮ ਜਾਤੀਂ ਜਿਨਸੀ ਭਰਮਿ ਭਵੈ ਸੰਸਾਰੁ ॥

उतम मधिम जातीं जिनसी भरमि भवै संसारु ॥

Uṯam maḏẖim jāṯīʼn jinsī bẖaram bẖavai sansār.

High and low, social class and status - the world wanders lost in superstition.

Guru Angad Dev Page 1243, Line 15

Jāṯ najāṯ ḏėkẖ maṯ bẖarmahu suk janak pagīʼn lag ḏẖi­āvaigo.

Do not be fooled by appearances of high and low social class. Suk Dayv bowed at the feet of Janak, and meditated.

Jūṯẖan jūṯẖ pa­ī sir ūpar kẖin manū­ā ṯil na dulāvaigo. ||7||

Even though Janak threw his left-overs and garbage on Suk Dayv's head, his mind did not waver, even for an instant. ||7||

Janak janak baiṯẖė singẖāsan na­o munī ḏẖūr lai lāvaigo.

Janak sat upon his regal throne, and applied the dust of the nine sages to his forehead.

Guru Ram Das Page 1309, Line 8

http://ikonkaar.blogspot.com/2006/05/power-of-king-janak.html

ਬੰਧਨ ਮੁਕਤਾ ਜਾਤੁ ਨ ਦੀਸੈ ॥੧॥

बंधन मुकता जातु न दीसै ॥१॥

Banḏẖan mukṯā jāṯ na ḏīsai. ||1||

He is liberated from bondage; He does not belong to any social class. ||1||

Devotee Namdev Page 1318, Line 18

Jāṯ janam nah pūcẖẖī­ai sacẖ gẖar lėho baṯā­ė.

God does not ask about social class or birth; you must find your true home.

Sā jāṯ sā paṯ hai jėhė karam kamā­ė.

That is your social class and that is your status - the karma of what you have done.

Guru Nanak Dev Page 1330, Line 8

Balihārī is jāṯ ka­o jih japi­o sirjanhār. ||2||

I am a sacrifice to this social class, in which I chant and meditate on the Creator. ||2||

Balihārī ih parīṯ ka­o jih jāṯ baran kul jā­ė. ||57||

I am a sacrifice to this love, by which social class and status, color and ancestry are taken away. ||57||

BHAGAT KABIR JI Page 1364

jug jug eaeko varan hai kalajug kivae(n) bahuth dhikhalaavai||

It is suprising that every age had dominance of one colour (caste) but how in Kaliyug myriads of castes are there.

Bhai Gurdaas Ji Vaars Bhai Gurdaas 1

varanaa varan n bhaavanee khehi khehi jalan baa(n)s a(n)gayaaraa||

Different sections(castes) of society develop hatred for one another and finish themselves through squabbles as the bamboos, due to their mutual friction, producing fire burn themselves as well as others.

Bhai Gurdaas Ji Vaars Bhai Gurdaas 1

eaekas thae bahu roop karoopee ghanae dhikhaaeae||

By getting divided into myriad sects(and castes) they produced a horrible look.

Bhai Gurdaas Ji Vaars Bhai Gurdaas 1

chaarai pair dhhara(n)m dhae chaar varan eik varan karaayaa||

Dharma was now established on its four feet and all the four castes (through fraternal feeling) were converted into one caste (of humanity).

Bhai Gurdaas Ji Vaars Bhai Gurdaas 1

guramukh varan avaran hoe ra(n)g sura(n)g tha(n)bol parachai||

Gurmukhs go beyond the castes, colours and go about in equanimity like the red colour of betel leaf.

Bhai Gurdaas Ji Vaars Bhai Gurdaas 5

In their own varnas all the people (of the four varnas) observe the tradition of their caste and tribe.

The believers in the books of the six schools perform six duties according to the wisdom of their respective spiritual mentors.

Servants go and salute their masters.

Merchants deal profusely in their own special merchandise.

All the farmers sow different seeds in their different fields.

Mechanics meet their fellow mechanics in the workshop.

Similarly, the Sikhs of Guru, associate themselves with the company of the holy persons.

This Shabad is by Bhai Gurdaas Ji in Vaars Bhai Gurdaas on Pannaa 5

This Shabad is by Bhai Gurdaas Ji in Vaars Bhai Gurdaas on Pannaa 8

Many are Sud and many are kaith, the bookkeepers.

Many are traders and many more Jain goldsmiths.

In this world millions are Jats and millions are calico printers.

Many are coppersmiths and many are considered ironsmiths.

Many are oilmen and many confectioners are available in the market.

Many are messengers, many barbers and many more businessmen.

In fact, in all the four varnas, there are many castes and sub castes.

Many are green grocers, many are makers of kuppas, large vessels made from raw hide usually for holding and carrying oil, and may more are butchers.

Many are toy and bangle sellers and many are leather workers and vegetable

growers-cum-sellers.

Millions drink hemp and many are brewers of wine from rice and barley, and confectioners are also many there.

Millions of cattle breeders, palanquin bearers and milk-men may be presently counted.

Millions of scavengers and outcaste pariahs (chandal) are there

.

Thus myriads are names and places which cannot be counted.

A devotee named Bhagata if Ohari caste and Bhagat of Japuvansi family were two sikhs that served the Guru.

Sihan, the Uppal, and another devotee of Uppal caste were very dear to the true Guru.

One Bhagirath of Malsihan town was there who earlier was a devotee of Kali, the goddess.

Jita of Randhava was also a fine Sikh and Bhai Budda, whose earlier name was Bura, would remember the Lord with single devotion.

Bhai Phirana of Khaira caste, Jodh and Jiva always remained absorbed in the service of the Guru.

One Lohar caste Sikh named Gujjar was there who preached Sikhism to the Sikhs of the Guru.

Dhinga, the barber, serving the Guru got his whole family liberated.

The gurmukhs having sight of the Lord themselves, make others also to have the same glimpse.

This Shabad is by Bhai Gurdaas Ji in Vaars Bhai Gurdaas on Pannaa 11

Saktu Mehta and Nihalu Chaddha of Agra have become blest.

Bhai Garhial and Mathara Das and their families are said to have been dyed in the red colour of love for the Guru.

Ganga belonging to Sahagal caste is brave and Harbans, the hermit serves in the dharamsala, the inn for the pilgrims.

Murari of Anand caste is a saint of high order and Kalyana is the house of love and pure like lotus.

Bhai Nano, Bhai Latakan and Bind Rao have served the congregation with full labour and love.

Alam Chand Handa, Sainsara Talvar are the Sikhs who live with all happiness.

Jagana and Nanda both are sadhus and Bhana of Suhar caste is competent like swan to have discerned from the real from false.

These, all fellow disciples of the Guru, are like the jewels of a string.

This Shabad is by Bhai Gurdaas Ji in Vaars Bhai Gurdaas on Pannaa 11

In village Suhanda is Bhai maia of lamb caste who sings the holy hymns in the holy congregation.

Chuhar of Chaujhar caste from Lucknow is gurmukh who remembers Lord day and night.

Bhai Bhana of Prayag is a close Sikh who earns his livelihood.

Jattu and Tappa, the residents of Jaunpur have served in accordance with Gurmat with stable mind.

In Patna Bhai naval and among Sabhaervals Nihala is a pious person.

One wealthy person is known by the name of Jaita who likes nothing except the service of the Guru.

Of Rajmahal city is Bhanu Bahal whose mind is absorbed in the wisdom of the Guru and the loving devotion.

Badali Sodhi and Gopal, the rich persons understand the Gurmat.

Sundar Chaddha of Agra and Bhai Mohan a resident of Dhakka have served and cultivated the true earning.

I am sacrifice unto the holy congregation.

This Shabad is by Bhai Gurdaas Ji in Vaars Bhai Gurdaas on Pannaa 11

In kaliyuga, a devotee named Namdev made the temple rotate and dead cow alive.

It is said Kabir used to go out of prison as and when he liked.

Dhanna, the jatt (farmer) and Sadhana born in a known low cast butcher got across the world ocean.

Considering Ravi Das a devotee of the Lord, all the four varnas praise him.

Beni, the saint was a spiritualist, and born in a so-called low barber caste Sain was a devotee (of Lord).

Falling at and becoming the dust of the feet is the great trance for the Sikhs of the Guru (their caste should not be considered).

The devotees, though they behold the imperceptible Lord, yet do not disclose this to anyone.

This Shabad is by Bhai Gurdaas Ji in Vaars Bhai Gurdaas on Pannaa 12

God created the sandal tree and kept it in the forest.

The breeze moves around the sandal but does not understand the imperceptible (nature of the tree).

The truth about the sandal comes to the forefront when it perfumes everyone with its fragrance.

The gurmukh goes beyond all the caste and the distinctions of eating taboos.

He drinks the nectar of fear and love of the Lord in the holy congregation.

The Gurmukh comes face to face with his own intrinsic nature (sahaj subhai).

This Shabad is by Bhai Gurdaas Ji in Vaars Bhai Gurdaas on Pannaa 14

The true Guru (God) is the true emperor and the holy congregation is true throne which is most delightful.

The true Word is such a true mint where different castes in the from of metals meet the Guru, the philosopher's stone, and become gold (gurmukhs).

There, only the true divine Will operates because the order of truth alone is bestower of joy and delight.

There, in the early morning eulogisation is true and is of the truth alone.

Gurmukhs remain detached among many hopes and they always play the game of truth.

Such gurmukhs become Guru and the Guru becomes their disciple.

This Shabad is by Bhai Gurdaas Ji in Vaars Bhai Gurdaas on Pannaa 18

A wayfarer, on the way halted in an inn.

Then moved forward on the told path.

He neither got envious with anyone nor did he get infatuated by any.

He neither asked the caste (identity) of any dying person nor he felt any delight witnessing the marriage ceremonies etc.

He happily accepted gifts of the Lord and never remained hungry or thirsty.

The lotus face of the gurmukh always remains in blossom due to continuous remembrance of the Lord.

This Shabad is by Bhai Gurdaas Ji in Vaars Bhai Gurdaas on Pannaa 19

He himself is wonderful (because in spite of his powers he is egoless).

By His efforts all the four varnas (social castes) have become one and now the individual gets liberated in the holy congregation.

Like the fragrance of sandal, He without any discrimination makes every one fragrant.

All act as ordained by Him and no one has the power to say no to Him.

Such grand Guru (Nanak) is the manifest spiritual teacher of the whole world.

This Shabad is by Bhai Gurdaas Ji in Vaars Bhai Gurdaas on Pannaa 23

jaanahu joth n pooshhahu jaathee aagai jaath n hae ||1|| rehaao ||

Recognize the Lord's Light within all, and do not consider social class or status; there are no classes or castes in the world hereafter. ||1||Pause||

Meaningless is caste and meaningless (caste) names,

The same shadow protects all beings

SGGS page 83

Do not enquire about (one’s) caste and birth

Caste and honour are determined by deeds

SGGS page 1330

Discern the light; do not enquire (one’s) caste;

There is no caste in the hereafter

SGGS page 349

[SaRpAnCh]

sarpanch, that is so the hindus/hindi readers can realise what Guru Ji techings are about as well.

dont non panjabi readers have a right to knowledge?

The right to knowledge is there but why just Hindi ,why not persian,arabic,turkish,spanish,german,french?

Why just Hindi is it due to the fact that Sikhs are residing under the rule of people who speak Hindi?

These minute small changes will soon make a big difference ,you watch and Dalbir Singh what are you on about????????????????

Gurus had hindu ritual marriages load of rubbish

Oh yeah no Kalki Avtar is comming

[sum chumaari]

what the hell has the hindi language got to do with marrying in different castes?

all i know is if ur family is set in their caste ways then out of caste marriages aren't allowed ( so much for being sikh eh?) and those who do go ahead and marry a different caste then their families dnt speak to them until x amount of years. what childishness.

its rare to find true sikhs who are not castist.

*sum chumaari*

[Guru_Da_Chella]

what the hell has the hindi language got to do with marrying in different castes?

all i know is if ur family is set in their caste ways then out of caste marriages aren't allowed ( so much for being sikh eh?) and those who do go ahead and marry a different caste then their families dnt speak to them until x amount of years. what childishness.

its rare to find true sikhs who are not castist.

*sum chumaari*

hmm maybe the Gurus should've married out of caste?

For those people who have forgotten their traditionas and culture, they should marry out of caste if they wish to, cos there won't be much difference in their values and habits.

[dalsingh101]

what the hell has the hindi language got to do with marrying in different castes?

all i know is if ur family is set in their caste ways then out of caste marriages aren't allowed ( so much for being sikh eh?) and those who do go ahead and marry a different caste then their families dnt speak to them until x amount of years. what childishness.

its rare to find true sikhs who are not castist.

*sum chumaari*

hmm maybe the Gurus should've married out of caste?

For those people who have forgotten their traditionas and culture, they should marry out of caste if they wish to, cos there won't be much difference in their values and habits.

What valuable values and habits do you think get preserved by marrying into caste then? I'm just curious.

[Matheen]

For those people who have forgotten their traditionas and culture, they should marry out of caste if they wish to, cos there won't be much difference in their values and habits.

Mowing the lawn once in a while doesn't make you a farmer

Have you read Puratan Rehitnameh and noted what is said about Singhs who stick to jaat-paat after taking Amrit?

Don't believe everything Niddar says.

[Guru_Da_Chella]

A farmer? Since when did I mention I am a kisaan? I am a jatt, but that doesn't necessarily make me a practising kisaan! :rolleyes:

And what does Niddar Singh have to do with this? :6

Is suddenly everything that goes against your viewpoint somehow always linked to Niddar Singh? lol

Regardless, I will only get married into an annakhi family.