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ਚੌਪਈ ॥

चौपई ॥

CHAUPAI

ਤਿਆਗ ਦਯੋ ਰਨ ਤ੍ਰਾਸ ਬਢਾਯੋ ॥ ਕਿਨਹੂੰ ਨ ਤਿਰ ਜੋ ਜੁੱਧੁ ਮਚਾਯੋ ॥ ਚਿਤ ਸਭਹੂੰ ਇਹ ਭਾਂਤਿ ਬਿਚਾਰਯੋ ॥ ਇਹ ਨਹੀ ਮਰੈ ਕਿਸੂ ਤੇ ਮਾਰਯੋ ॥੧੫੪੯॥

तिआग दयो रन त्रास बढायो ॥ किनहूं न तिर जो जु्धु मचायो ॥ चित सभहूं इह भांति बिचारयो ॥ इह नही मरै किसू ते मारयो ॥१५४९॥

They abandoned the war and become fearful; none of them went forward to fight with the king; all of them thought that this king would not be killed by anyone.1549.

ਤਬ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੇ ਹਰਿ ਨਿਕਟਿ ਉਚਾਰਯੋ ॥ ਜਬ ਸਗਲੋ ਦਲ ਨ੍ਰਿਪਤ ਸੰਘਾਰਯੋ ॥ਜਬ ਲਗਿ ਇਹ ਤੇਤਾ ਕਰ ਮੋ ਹੈ ॥ ਤਬ ਲਗ ਬੱਜ੍ਰ ਸੂਲ ਧਰ ਕੋ ਹੈ ॥੧੫੫੦॥

तब ब्रहमे हरि निकटि उचारयो ॥ जब सगलो दल न्रिपत संघारयो ॥जब लगि इह तेता कर मो है ॥ तब लग ब्ज्र सूल धर को है ॥१५५०॥

Then Brahma seeing all the army of Krishna having died, he said to Krishna, he said to Krishna, "Till the time, he has the charmed amulet in his hand, the vajra and trident are insignificant before him.1550.

ਤਾ ਤੇ ਇਹੈ ਕਾਜ ਅਬ ਕੀਜੈ ॥ ਭਿੱਛਕਿ ਹੋਇ ਮਾਂਗ ਸੋ ਲੀਜੈ ॥ ਮੁਕਟ ਰਾਮ ਤੇ ਜੋ ਇਹ ਪਾਯੋ ॥ ਸੋ ਇੰਦ੍ਰਾਦਿਕ ਹਾਥ ਨ ਆਯੋ ॥੧੫੫੧॥

ता ते इहै काज अब कीजै ॥ भि्छकि होइ मांग सो लीजै ॥ मुकट राम ते जो इह पायो ॥ सो इंद्रादिक हाथ न आयो ॥१५५१॥

Therefore now becoming a beggar, beg this from him; the crown that he has obtained from Ram, it could not be obtained by Indra etc.1551.

ਜਬ ਤੇ ਤਾ ਇਹ ਕਰ ਤੇ ਲੀਜੈ ॥ ਤਬ ਯਾ ਕੋ ਬਧ ਛਿਨ ਮਹਿ ਕੀਜੈ ॥ਜਿਹ ਉਪਾਇ ਕਰ ਤੇ ਪਰਹਰੈ ॥ ਤਉ ਕਦਾਂਚ ਨ੍ਰਿਪ ਮਰੈ ਤੋੁ ਮਰੈ ॥੧੫੫੨॥

जब ते ता इह कर ते लीजै ॥ तब या को बध छिन महि कीजै ॥जिह उपाइ कर ते परहरै ॥ तउ कदांच न्रिप मरै तोु मरै ॥१५५२॥

When you will take away the amulet from his hand, you will then be able to kill him in an instant; if he abandons it from his hand through any method, then he can be killed at any time."1552.

ਚੌਪਈ ॥

चौपई ॥

CHAUPAI

ਯੋ ਸੁਨਿ ਹਰਿ ਦਿਜ ਬੇਖ ਬਨਾਯੋ ॥ ਮਾਂਗਨ ਤਿਹ ਪੈ ਹਰਿ ਬਿਧਿ ਆਯੋ ॥ਤਬ ਤਿਨ ਸਯਾਮ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਲਖਿ ਲੀਨੋ ॥ ਸਯਾਮ ਕਹੈ ਇਸ ਊਤਰ ਦੀਨੋ ॥੧੫੫੩॥

यो सुनि हरि दिज बेख बनायो ॥ मांगन तिह पै हरि बिधि आयो ॥तब तिन सयाम ब्रहम लखि लीनो ॥ सयाम कहै इस ऊतर दीनो ॥१५५३॥

Hearing this, Krishna and Brahma put on the garb of a Brahmin and went to beg the amulet from him; then on begging, he(Kharag Singh) recognised Krishna and Brahma and according to the poet he said;1553.

ਖੜਗੇਸ਼ ਬਾਚ ॥

खड़गेश बाच ॥

Speech of Kharag Singh:

ਸਵੈਯਾ ॥

सवैया ॥

SWAYYA

ਬੇਖ ਕੀਓ ਹਰਿ ਬਾਮਨ ਕੋ ਬਲ ਬਾਵਨ ਜਿਉ ਛਲਬੇ ਕਹੁ ਆਯੋ ॥ ਰੇ ਚਤੁਰਾਨਨ ਤੂ ਬਸਿ ਕਾਨਨ ਕਾ ਕੇ ਕਹੇ ਤਪਿਸਾ ਤਜਿ ਧਾਯੋ ॥

बेख कीओ हरि बामन को बल बावन जिउ छलबे कहु आयो ॥ रे चतुरानन तू बसि कानन का के कहे तपिसा तजि धायो ॥

O Krishna (Vishnu) ! you have put on the garb of a Brahmin and have come to deceive me like the king Bali; O B

ਧੂਮ ਤੇ ਆਗਰ ਹੈ ਨ ਦੁਰੀ ਜਿਮ ਤਿਉ ਛਲ ਤੇ ਤੁਮ ਕੋ ਲਖਿ ਪਾਯੋ ॥ਮਾਂਗਹੁ ਜੋ ਤੁਮਰੇ ਮਨ ਮੈ ਅਬ ਮਾਂਗਨਹਾਰੇ ਕੋ ਰੂਪ ਬਨਾਯੋ ॥੧੫੫੪॥

धूम ते आगर है न दुरी जिम तिउ छल ते तुम को लखि पायो ॥मांगहु जो तुमरे मन मै अब मांगनहारे को रूप बनायो ॥१५५४॥

Just as the fire cannot be concealed by smoke, in the same manner, seeing you, I have understood your act of deceit; when you people have come in the garb of a beggar, then beg from me according to you heart`s desire.1554.

ਦੋਹਰਾ ॥

दोहरा ॥

DOHRA

ਜਬ ਇਹ ਬਿਧਿ ਸੋ ਨ੍ਰਿਪ ਕਹਯੋ ਕਹੀ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਜਸੁ ਲੇਹੁ ॥ ਜੱਗ ਅਨਲ ਤੇ ਜੋ ਮੁਕਟਿ ਉਪਜਿਓ ਸੋ ਮੁਹਿ ਦੇਹੁ ॥੧੫੫੫॥

जब इह बिधि सो न्रिप कहयो कही ब्रहम जसु लेहु ॥ ज्ग अनल ते जो मुकटि उपजिओ सो मुहि देहु ॥१५५५॥

When the king said like this to Brahma, then Brahma said, "O king! Become praiseworthy and give me the crown that had come out of the fire of Yajna."1555.

ਜਬ ਚਤੁਰਾਨਨ ਯੋਂ ਕਹੀ ਪੁਨਿ ਬੋਲਿਓ ਜਦੁਬੀਰ ॥ ਗਉਰਾਂ ਤੇ ਤਾ ਤੇਹਿ ਦਯੋ ਸੋ ਮੁਹਿ ਦੈ ਨ੍ਰਿਪ ਧੀਰ ॥੧੫੫੬॥

जब चतुरानन यों कही पुनि बोलिओ जदुबीर ॥ गउरां ते ता तेहि दयो सो मुहि दै न्रिप धीर ॥१५५६॥

When Brahma had begged it, then Krishna spoke, "Give me the amulet that had been given to you by the goddess Chandi."1556.

ਚੌਪਈ ॥

चौपई ॥

CHAUPAI

ਤਬ ਨ੍ਰਿਪ ਮਨ ਕੋ ਇਹ ਬਿਧਿ ਕਹੈ ॥ ਰੇ ਜੀਅ ਜੀਯਤ ਨ ਚਹੁ ਜੁਗ ਰਹੈ ॥ਤਾਂ ਤੇ ਧਰਮ ਢੀਲ ਨਹਿ ਕੀਜੈ ॥ ਜੋ ਹਰਿ ਮਾਂਗਤ ਸੋ ਇਹ ਦੀਜੈ ॥੧੫੫੭॥

तब न्रिप मन को इह बिधि कहै ॥ रे जीअ जीयत न चहु जुग रहै ॥तां ते धरम ढील नहि कीजै ॥ जो हरि मांगत सो इह दीजै ॥१५५७॥

Then the king thought in his mind that he had not to live for four ages, therefore he should not delay in this task of Dharma and the things that Brhma and Krishna are begging, he should give them.1557.

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Krishan also told Yudhistar to lie in the Mahabharata

In the battle between krishan and Kharag Singh, Brahma gets some heavenly damsels (pretty girls) to dance in order to divert the attention of Kharag Singh and krishan cleverly uses this oppurtunity to shoot an arrow at Kharag Singh. This tells us about krishan and his followers. This episode is similar to IB, RAW getting some girls after a kharrku singh in order to capture him.

Only COWARD DECEITFUL HUMANS TAKE THE HELP OF DANCING GIRLS TO KILL/CAPTURE THEIR ENEMY.

Bundha ,

Is this ur krishan bhagwan ?? Who becomes a beggar to kill his enemy, who uses dancing girls to kill his enemy. Krishan was a KEERRA, WORM WHO WAS BEATEN AND THRASHED BY KAAL.

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Kidism to the max

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ਚੌਪਈ ॥

चौपई ॥

CHAUPAI

ਤਿਆਗ ਦਯੋ ਰਨ ਤ੍ਰਾਸ ਬਢਾਯੋ ॥ ਕਿਨਹੂੰ ਨ ਤਿਰ ਜੋ ਜੁੱਧੁ ਮਚਾਯੋ ॥ ਚਿਤ ਸਭਹੂੰ ਇਹ ਭਾਂਤਿ ਬਿਚਾਰਯੋ ॥ ਇਹ ਨਹੀ ਮਰੈ ਕਿਸੂ ਤੇ ਮਾਰਯੋ ॥੧੫੪੯॥

तिआग दयो रन त्रास बढायो ॥ किनहूं न तिर जो जु्धु मचायो ॥ चित सभहूं इह भांति बिचारयो ॥ इह नही मरै किसू ते मारयो ॥१५४९॥

They abandoned the war and become fearful; none of them went forward to fight with the king; all of them thought that this king would not be killed by anyone.1549.

ਤਬ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੇ ਹਰਿ ਨਿਕਟਿ ਉਚਾਰਯੋ ॥ ਜਬ ਸਗਲੋ ਦਲ ਨ੍ਰਿਪਤ ਸੰਘਾਰਯੋ ॥ਜਬ ਲਗਿ ਇਹ ਤੇਤਾ ਕਰ ਮੋ ਹੈ ॥ ਤਬ ਲਗ ਬੱਜ੍ਰ ਸੂਲ ਧਰ ਕੋ ਹੈ ॥੧੫੫੦॥

तब ब्रहमे हरि निकटि उचारयो ॥ जब सगलो दल न्रिपत संघारयो ॥जब लगि इह तेता कर मो है ॥ तब लग ब्ज्र सूल धर को है ॥१५५०॥

Then Brahma seeing all the army of Krishna having died, he said to Krishna, he said to Krishna, "Till the time, he has the charmed amulet in his hand, the vajra and trident are insignificant before him.1550.

ਤਾ ਤੇ ਇਹੈ ਕਾਜ ਅਬ ਕੀਜੈ ॥ ਭਿੱਛਕਿ ਹੋਇ ਮਾਂਗ ਸੋ ਲੀਜੈ ॥ ਮੁਕਟ ਰਾਮ ਤੇ ਜੋ ਇਹ ਪਾਯੋ ॥ ਸੋ ਇੰਦ੍ਰਾਦਿਕ ਹਾਥ ਨ ਆਯੋ ॥੧੫੫੧॥

ता ते इहै काज अब कीजै ॥ भि्छकि होइ मांग सो लीजै ॥ मुकट राम ते जो इह पायो ॥ सो इंद्रादिक हाथ न आयो ॥१५५१॥

Therefore now becoming a beggar, beg this from him; the crown that he has obtained from Ram, it could not be obtained by Indra etc.1551.

ਜਬ ਤੇ ਤਾ ਇਹ ਕਰ ਤੇ ਲੀਜੈ ॥ ਤਬ ਯਾ ਕੋ ਬਧ ਛਿਨ ਮਹਿ ਕੀਜੈ ॥ਜਿਹ ਉਪਾਇ ਕਰ ਤੇ ਪਰਹਰੈ ॥ ਤਉ ਕਦਾਂਚ ਨ੍ਰਿਪ ਮਰੈ ਤੋੁ ਮਰੈ ॥੧੫੫੨॥

जब ते ता इह कर ते लीजै ॥ तब या को बध छिन महि कीजै ॥जिह उपाइ कर ते परहरै ॥ तउ कदांच न्रिप मरै तोु मरै ॥१५५२॥

When you will take away the amulet from his hand, you will then be able to kill him in an instant; if he abandons it from his hand through any method, then he can be killed at any time."1552.

ਚੌਪਈ ॥

चौपई ॥

CHAUPAI

ਯੋ ਸੁਨਿ ਹਰਿ ਦਿਜ ਬੇਖ ਬਨਾਯੋ ॥ ਮਾਂਗਨ ਤਿਹ ਪੈ ਹਰਿ ਬਿਧਿ ਆਯੋ ॥ਤਬ ਤਿਨ ਸਯਾਮ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਲਖਿ ਲੀਨੋ ॥ ਸਯਾਮ ਕਹੈ ਇਸ ਊਤਰ ਦੀਨੋ ॥੧੫੫੩॥

यो सुनि हरि दिज बेख बनायो ॥ मांगन तिह पै हरि बिधि आयो ॥तब तिन सयाम ब्रहम लखि लीनो ॥ सयाम कहै इस ऊतर दीनो ॥१५५३॥

Hearing this, Krishna and Brahma put on the garb of a Brahmin and went to beg the amulet from him; then on begging, he(Kharag Singh) recognised Krishna and Brahma and according to the poet he said;1553.

ਖੜਗੇਸ਼ ਬਾਚ ॥

खड़गेश बाच ॥

Speech of Kharag Singh:

ਸਵੈਯਾ ॥

सवैया ॥

SWAYYA

ਬੇਖ ਕੀਓ ਹਰਿ ਬਾਮਨ ਕੋ ਬਲ ਬਾਵਨ ਜਿਉ ਛਲਬੇ ਕਹੁ ਆਯੋ ॥ ਰੇ ਚਤੁਰਾਨਨ ਤੂ ਬਸਿ ਕਾਨਨ ਕਾ ਕੇ ਕਹੇ ਤਪਿਸਾ ਤਜਿ ਧਾਯੋ ॥

बेख कीओ हरि बामन को बल बावन जिउ छलबे कहु आयो ॥ रे चतुरानन तू बसि कानन का के कहे तपिसा तजि धायो ॥

O Krishna (Vishnu) ! you have put on the garb of a Brahmin and have come to deceive me like the king Bali; O B

ਧੂਮ ਤੇ ਆਗਰ ਹੈ ਨ ਦੁਰੀ ਜਿਮ ਤਿਉ ਛਲ ਤੇ ਤੁਮ ਕੋ ਲਖਿ ਪਾਯੋ ॥ਮਾਂਗਹੁ ਜੋ ਤੁਮਰੇ ਮਨ ਮੈ ਅਬ ਮਾਂਗਨਹਾਰੇ ਕੋ ਰੂਪ ਬਨਾਯੋ ॥੧੫੫੪॥

धूम ते आगर है न दुरी जिम तिउ छल ते तुम को लखि पायो ॥मांगहु जो तुमरे मन मै अब मांगनहारे को रूप बनायो ॥१५५४॥

Just as the fire cannot be concealed by smoke, in the same manner, seeing you, I have understood your act of deceit; when you people have come in the garb of a beggar, then beg from me according to you heart`s desire.1554.

ਦੋਹਰਾ ॥

दोहरा ॥

DOHRA

ਜਬ ਇਹ ਬਿਧਿ ਸੋ ਨ੍ਰਿਪ ਕਹਯੋ ਕਹੀ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਜਸੁ ਲੇਹੁ ॥ ਜੱਗ ਅਨਲ ਤੇ ਜੋ ਮੁਕਟਿ ਉਪਜਿਓ ਸੋ ਮੁਹਿ ਦੇਹੁ ॥੧੫੫੫॥

जब इह बिधि सो न्रिप कहयो कही ब्रहम जसु लेहु ॥ ज्ग अनल ते जो मुकटि उपजिओ सो मुहि देहु ॥१५५५॥

When the king said like this to Brahma, then Brahma said, "O king! Become praiseworthy and give me the crown that had come out of the fire of Yajna."1555.

ਜਬ ਚਤੁਰਾਨਨ ਯੋਂ ਕਹੀ ਪੁਨਿ ਬੋਲਿਓ ਜਦੁਬੀਰ ॥ ਗਉਰਾਂ ਤੇ ਤਾ ਤੇਹਿ ਦਯੋ ਸੋ ਮੁਹਿ ਦੈ ਨ੍ਰਿਪ ਧੀਰ ॥੧੫੫੬॥

जब चतुरानन यों कही पुनि बोलिओ जदुबीर ॥ गउरां ते ता तेहि दयो सो मुहि दै न्रिप धीर ॥१५५६॥

When Brahma had begged it, then Krishna spoke, "Give me the amulet that had been given to you by the goddess Chandi."1556.

ਚੌਪਈ ॥

चौपई ॥

CHAUPAI

ਤਬ ਨ੍ਰਿਪ ਮਨ ਕੋ ਇਹ ਬਿਧਿ ਕਹੈ ॥ ਰੇ ਜੀਅ ਜੀਯਤ ਨ ਚਹੁ ਜੁਗ ਰਹੈ ॥ਤਾਂ ਤੇ ਧਰਮ ਢੀਲ ਨਹਿ ਕੀਜੈ ॥ ਜੋ ਹਰਿ ਮਾਂਗਤ ਸੋ ਇਹ ਦੀਜੈ ॥੧੫੫੭॥

तब न्रिप मन को इह बिधि कहै ॥ रे जीअ जीयत न चहु जुग रहै ॥तां ते धरम ढील नहि कीजै ॥ जो हरि मांगत सो इह दीजै ॥१५५७॥

Then the king thought in his mind that he had not to live for four ages, therefore he should not delay in this task of Dharma and the things that Brhma and Krishna are begging, he should give them.1557.

It was tawiz they were asking from Kharag singh. they thought that they were not able to kill Kharag singh as he had that tawiz with him.

kharag singh gave that tawiz to them. But still he was overpowering their army. Guru ji is telling that fighting superiority of Kharag singh was not due to that tawiz.

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krishna was a gurmukh as per Guru Arjun Dev Ji ...

ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਮਧੁਸੂਦਨੁ ਨਿਸਤਾਰੇ ॥

The Gurmukhs are emancipated by the Lord.

ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਸੰਗੀ ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ ਮੁਰਾਰੇ ॥

The Lord Krishna becomes the Gurmukh's Companion.

ਦਇਆਲ ਦਮੋਦਰੁ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਪਾਈਐ ਹੋਰਤੁ ਕਿਤੈ ਨ ਭਾਤੀ ਜੀਉ ॥੨॥

The Gurmukh finds the Merciful Lord. He is not found any other way. ||2||

ਨਿਰਹਾਰੀ ਕੇਸਵ ਨਿਰਵੈਰਾ ॥

He does not need to eat; His Hair is Wondrous and Beautiful; He is free of hate.

ਕੋਟਿ ਜਨਾ ਜਾ ਕੇ ਪੂਜਹਿ ਪੈਰਾ ॥

Millions of people worship His Feet.

ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਹਿਰਦੈ ਜਾ ਕੈ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਸੋਈ ਭਗਤੁ ਇਕਾਤੀ ਜੀਉ ॥੩॥

He alone is a devotee, who becomes Gurmukh, whose heart is filled with the Lord, Har, Har. ||3||

Krishna did sangat of gurmukhs and became gurmukh

as per Guru Ram Das ji Krishna worshiped Lord

ਗੁਰ ਸੇਵਾ ਆਪਿ ਹਰਿ ਭਾਵੈ ॥

Service to the Guru is pleasing to the Lord Himself.

ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨੁ ਬਲਭਦ੍ਰੁ ਗੁਰ ਪਗ ਲਗਿ ਧਿਆਵੈ ॥

Even Krishna and Balbhadar meditated on the Lord, falling at the Guru's Feet.

ਨਾਨਕ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਹਰਿ ਆਪਿ ਤਰਾਵੈ ॥੪॥੫॥੪੩॥

O Nanak, the Lord Himself saves the Gurmukhs. ||4||5||43||

kirshna was the servent of lord

ਜਾਹਰਨਵੀ ਤਪੈ ਭਾਗੀਰਥਿ ਆਣੀ ਕੇਦਾਰੁ ਥਾਪਿਓ ਮਹਸਾਈ ॥

Bhaageerat'h the penitent brought the Ganges down, and Shiva established Kaydaar.

ਕਾਂਸੀ ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨੁ ਚਰਾਵਤ ਗਾਊ ਮਿਲਿ ਹਰਿ ਜਨ ਸੋਭਾ ਪਾਈ ॥੨॥

Krishna grazed cows in Kaashi; through the humble servant of the Lord, these places became famous. ||2||

ਜਿਤਨੇ ਤੀਰਥ ਦੇਵੀ ਥਾਪੇ ਸਭਿ ਤਿਤਨੇ ਲੋਚਹਿ ਧੂਰਿ ਸਾਧੂ ਕੀ ਤਾਈ ॥

And all the sacred shrines of pilgrimage established by the gods, long for the dust of the feet of the Holy.

ਹਰਿ ਕਾ ਸੰਤੁ ਮਿਲੈ ਗੁਰ ਸਾਧੂ ਲੈ ਤਿਸ ਕੀ ਧੂਰਿ ਮੁਖਿ ਲਾਈ ॥੩॥

Meeting with the Lord's Saint, the Holy Guru, I apply the dust of His feet to my face. ||3||

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krishna was a gurmukh as per Guru Arjun Dev Ji ...

ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਮਧੁਸੂਦਨੁ ਨਿਸਤਾਰੇ ॥

The Gurmukhs are emancipated by the Lord.

ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਸੰਗੀ ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ ਮੁਰਾਰੇ ॥

The Lord Krishna becomes the Gurmukh's Companion.

ਦਇਆਲ ਦਮੋਦਰੁ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਪਾਈਐ ਹੋਰਤੁ ਕਿਤੈ ਨ ਭਾਤੀ ਜੀਉ ॥੨॥

The Gurmukh finds the Merciful Lord. He is not found any other way. ||2||

ਨਿਰਹਾਰੀ ਕੇਸਵ ਨਿਰਵੈਰਾ ॥

He does not need to eat; His Hair is Wondrous and Beautiful; He is free of hate.

ਕੋਟਿ ਜਨਾ ਜਾ ਕੇ ਪੂਜਹਿ ਪੈਰਾ ॥

Millions of people worship His Feet.

ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਹਿਰਦੈ ਜਾ ਕੈ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਸੋਈ ਭਗਤੁ ਇਕਾਤੀ ਜੀਉ ॥੩॥

He alone is a devotee, who becomes Gurmukh, whose heart is filled with the Lord, Har, Har. ||3||

Here the word Krishan means Vaheguru jee. In Gurbani, Vaheguru jee has been called by the names of Ram, Vasudev, Krishan, Niranjan, Murari.

The correct meaning of the tukk is "the Lord VAheguru(Krishan) becomes the companion of a gurmukh".

Krishna did sangat of gurmukhs and became gurmukh

as per Guru Ram Das ji Krishna worshiped Lord

ਗੁਰ ਸੇਵਾ ਆਪਿ ਹਰਿ ਭਾਵੈ ॥

Service to the Guru is pleasing to the Lord Himself.

ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨੁ ਬਲਭਦ੍ਰੁ ਗੁਰ ਪਗ ਲਗਿ ਧਿਆਵੈ ॥

Even Krishna and Balbhadar meditated on the Lord, falling at the Guru's Feet.

ਨਾਨਕ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਹਰਿ ਆਪਿ ਤਰਾਵੈ ॥੪॥੫॥੪੩॥

O Nanak, the Lord Himself saves the Gurmukhs. ||4||5||43||

This is INTERESTING. This actually proves that Krishan was aware of the presence of Satguru Nanak. There is only one Satguru who is ever present. He is present throughout the 4 yuggs.

Krishan might have meditated of Vishnu earlier and later meditated on Satguru Jee. Krishan had powers as a result and did some good things like killing kansa and saving the honour of draupadi. Along with these good things, he got egoistic due to his powers, indulged in ras-leela (amarous play) with gopis, used deceit in war, got people to worship him.

kirshna was the servent of lord

ਜਾਹਰਨਵੀ ਤਪੈ ਭਾਗੀਰਥਿ ਆਣੀ ਕੇਦਾਰੁ ਥਾਪਿਓ ਮਹਸਾਈ ॥

Bhaageerat'h the penitent brought the Ganges down, and Shiva established Kaydaar.

ਕਾਂਸੀ ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨੁ ਚਰਾਵਤ ਗਾਊ ਮਿਲਿ ਹਰਿ ਜਨ ਸੋਭਾ ਪਾਈ ॥੨॥

Krishna grazed cows in Kaashi; through the humble servant of the Lord, these places became famous. ||2||

ਜਿਤਨੇ ਤੀਰਥ ਦੇਵੀ ਥਾਪੇ ਸਭਿ ਤਿਤਨੇ ਲੋਚਹਿ ਧੂਰਿ ਸਾਧੂ ਕੀ ਤਾਈ ॥

And all the sacred shrines of pilgrimage established by the gods, long for the dust of the feet of the Holy.

ਹਰਿ ਕਾ ਸੰਤੁ ਮਿਲੈ ਗੁਰ ਸਾਧੂ ਲੈ ਤਿਸ ਕੀ ਧੂਰਿ ਮੁਖਿ ਲਾਈ ॥੩॥

Meeting with the Lord's Saint, the Holy Guru, I apply the dust of His feet to my face. ||3||

This just proves that all people who meditate get rewards. Krishan, Shiva, Brahma and even Ravana for that matter did meditate and got rewards.

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so he is NOT the lord afterall!

and does murari translate to lord? in

ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਸੰਗੀ ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ ਮੁਰਾਰੇ ॥

The Lord Krishna becomes the Gurmukh's Companion.

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so he is NOT the lord afterall!

and does murari translate to lord? in

ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਸੰਗੀ ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ ਮੁਰਾਰੇ ॥

The Lord Krishna becomes the Gurmukh's Companion.

?

God has been called murari, ram, krishan, govind, niranjan, shiva. Even a little sikh kid knows about this. When we say "dev shiva bar mohe ih hai, shubh karman te kabhu na daroon...", shiva means Vaheguru jee and not the rudra or shiva demi god.

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this thread is full of interesting stuff i m sure u must have read all those tuuks for the first time yet u translated them very well ... who says a sikh needs ustatd to learn santheya of gurbani ... we are born with gurbani knowledge ... isnt it ... :lol: where krishna is praised as bhagat as a gurmukh its used for akalpurkh or some other krishna where he is not yes yes he is krishna the hindu god ...

Guru hargobind sahib gave sikhs four fundamentals war politics and battles they are

1 Sham

2 Dam

3 Dand

4 Bhed

Sham is what krishna used for victory trick ur enemy ... Dam is what mughals used most of the time pay them money to win them ... Dand this is what sikhs used most of the time use of power ... Bhed is what britishers used to win punjab ...

in battles all these four things are accaptable in sikhi as well as this world ... after all victory matters ... If some one uses sham or dam to get a victory over enemy who is 10 times stronger then him whats wrong with it ...

even sikhs fought alongside meer manu against abadali which was part of sham to earn some peacefull time in punjab and grow more powerfull which worked for them ...

Gatka isnt enough nor is shaster videya guru sahib wrote about these battles so that we can learn from then which we call Ran Videya the art of battle ...

Result Of War Is Not About Who Was Right Its About Who Is Left

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Guru hargobind sahib gave sikhs four fundamentals war politics and battles they are

1 Sham

2 Dam

3 Dand

4 Bhed

with due respect jassaji, these four pricniples were given by Kautilya who was prime minister of Ashok. And he lived some 2000 years before guru sahib.

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its chanekiya i think which got them in written in his books on rajniti but they existed even before him ...

to sikhs it was given by guru hargobind sahib as poltics was only studied by few choosen man during those times the one who were born to rule ... when they made akal takth sahib and joined meeri with peeri ... they taught in very deep detail what to use and when to sikhs who have nothing to do with these nitis the farmar class the worker sikh iron smith sikhs they were taught by guru sahib only ... this sakhi can be read in suraj parkash granth ... what to use when to use and how to use in a battle ...

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its chanekiya i think which got them in written in his books on rajniti but they existed even before him ...

to sikhs it was given by guru hargobind sahib as poltics was only studied by few choosen man during those times the one who were born to rule ... when they made akal takth sahib and joined meeri with peeri ... they taught in very deep detail what to use and when to sikhs who have nothing to do with these nitis the farmar class the worker sikh iron smith sikhs they were taught by guru sahib only ... this sakhi can be read in suraj parkash granth ... what to use when to use and how to use in a battle ...

Man, this is SHAMEFUL. Jassa, u are a SLANDERER of Guru Hargobind Jee Maharaaj.

Sikhs believe in SHAHEEDI. If 40 singhs have to fight with 10 lakh mughals, singhs will fortify a small haveli and will fight and give shaheedi. There is no place for sham or daam.

U can believe in all those things but u cannot use the name of Guru Hargobind Jee Maharaaj for this.

U JUST EXPOSED URSELF BY SAYING THAT MIRI PIRI DE MAALAK GAVE THE UPDESH OF SHAM, DAAM, ETC. TO HIS AKAALI SINGHS.

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even sikhs fought alongside meer manu against abadali which was part of sham to earn some peacefull time in punjab and grow more powerfull which worked for them ...

This is not sham. There is no deceit in it. Let us say that there is a civil war in India and india-pakistan war at the border. Taliban has reached in Kashmir and is fighting for its independence with the help of Pakistan army and local militants. The panthic singhs in USA, UK, Germany, Canada and Punjab negotiate with the dalits that if they fight against new delhi, they will be given small autonomous states and they wont be exploited by the nexus of upper caste hindu. This is not sham as there is no deceit in it, this is just a war stragedy.

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its chanekiya i think which got them in written in his books on rajniti but they existed even before him ...

to sikhs it was given by guru hargobind sahib as poltics was only studied by few choosen man during those times the one who were born to rule ... when they made akal takth sahib and joined meeri with peeri ... they taught in very deep detail what to use and when to sikhs who have nothing to do with these nitis the farmar class the worker sikh iron smith sikhs they were taught by guru sahib only ... this sakhi can be read in suraj parkash granth ... what to use when to use and how to use in a battle ...

Man, this is SHAMEFUL. Jassa, u are a SLANDERER of Guru Hargobind Jee Maharaaj.

Sikhs believe in SHAHEEDI. If 40 singhs have to fight with 10 lakh mughals, singhs will fortify a small haveli and will fight and give shaheedi. There is no place for sham or daam.

U can believe in all those things but u cannot use the name of Guru Hargobind Jee Maharaaj for this.

U JUST EXPOSED URSELF BY SAYING THAT MIRI PIRI DE MAALAK GAVE THE UPDESH OF SHAM, DAAM, ETC. TO HIS AKAALI SINGHS.

the teachings of guru you cant understand that doesnt mean guru sahib cant give those teachings ...

Sikhs faught as per the conditions ... when there was need to fight at night they faught at night ... where there was use to fight with other battle techniques they used them ... when there was a need sikhs remain hidden in jungles ... these were all war techniques ... baba bagheal singh paid for the land where sees ganj gurdwara is there even though he had a victory over delhi so that in future sikhs dont have a problem if some one else claim this land belongs to him ... this is all ran videya ... when abdali attacked baba vadbhag singh was in trouble he claimed to be guru and was speaking against khalsa panth ... then khalsa under the command of jassa singh alluwalia told him in clear words if he want protection take amrit and be a sikh instead of guru else die ... this is called bhed ... sharp up ur history skills dude ...

You talk about shahhedi but shahhedi is very important in sikhi but it can only awake the community ... to get a victory u need to cut the opponents head ... no one ever in this world has won any battle by giving only shahhedi ... sikhs have cut more heads then they gave …

you want to follow kidism or sikhism choice is yours ...

Lets take example of shere punjab maharaja ranjeet singh ... he used what ever was needed to keep make a sikh state ... where dand was needed we used it look at sindh pishor where he faught battles ... where sham was needed he used it he sensing the jehad on the name of islam he gave top postions in his administration to muslims ... where he needed to pay he paid ... he paid loads of valuable stuff to nawab of haydrabad while hazur sahib was being built and in order to get sikhs work in police force of nander so that they can live and earn there and can protect hazur sahib ... by your theory he should have fought with brithish on the same time kill pathans of afganistan on same time try and conquere hydrabad ... a sikh should master the ran videya and mastering ran videya is useless if u cant be victorious ...

its nothing more then kidism to claim fight either give ur head or get ur head cut ... if it was sikhism guru sahib would have never said in zafarnama ... when all means fail its right to take up the sword ... but when sham dam and bhed fails ... fighting should be the last wayout as per guru sahib may be in urs its first ...

sikhism is not a fairytale religion it is a religion of a common man ... a religion of a saint solider ... and a saint never wants to cut innocent people … in a battle field most are innocent …

And lastly I m always happy to be exposed … :)

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