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Umm.. penji, your post will stir a lot of anger and hate here. Most sangat doesnt agree with having weddings outside of a Gurdwara. Gurdwara is for that purpose. You should come to the Guru to seek blessings... not ask the Guru to come to you to give you blessings. You cant guarantee satkaar of Guru Jee outside the Gurdwara...

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When we prepare for a wedding and the thousand and one things to do we often forget the one most important person who will be present.......Guru Ji.

As we are wrapped up in all the wedding preperations we fail to give Guru Ji the full respect and satkaar that we should. This respect and satkar and suchum cannot be given if we take Guru Ji to a golf Club or any other club for that matter.

I would respectfully ask Benji to reconsider and have the Anand Karaj at the gurdwara .

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That is correct, you do not bring the King of Kings to some sort of club house to recieve blessings. If you wish for the Guru's blessing you should go to his palace and ask for them.

it would be out in HIS nature therefore respecting his creations even more. thinking maybe by the water or maybe on a mountain.

It is a problem if gurdwaras dont offer this option but I will find a way to do it eventually just hoping it wont be too much of a struggle

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I don't see any conceptual reason why an Anand Kaaraj cannot be held outside, as long as full Satkaar, cleanliness and Maryada for Maharaajh are guaranteed to be followed at all times. Maharaajh's saroops are taken outside in outdoor programmes across the world, as well as camps and to peoples' residences.

The objection is against taking Maharaajh to where it is known that Satkaar and Maryada will not be followed, e.g., party halls where booze and dirty songs are going to follow - that's where the prohibition on no Anand Kaaraj's outside Gurdwaras should apply.

If the utmost Satkaar and Maryada for Maharaajh is followed at all times, then I see no reason why the Anand Kaaraj cannot be held outdoors ... or am I missing something?

Bhul Chuk Maaf,

Waheguroo

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I don't see any conceptual reason why an Anand Kaaraj cannot be held outside, as long as full Satkaar, cleanliness and Maryada for Maharaajh are guaranteed to be followed at all times. Maharaajh's saroops are taken outside in outdoor programmes across the world, as well as camps and to peoples' residences.

The objection is against taking Maharaajh to where it is known that Satkaar and Maryada will not be followed, e.g., party halls where booze and dirty songs are going to follow - that's where the prohibition on no Anand Kaaraj's outside Gurdwaras should apply.

If the utmost Satkaar and Maryada for Maharaajh is followed at all times, then I see no reason why the Anand Kaaraj cannot be held outdoors ... or am I missing something?

Bhul Chuk Maaf,

Waheguroo

exactly and the whole thing will be a vegetarian and non alcohol event.

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Personally, im not totally against it. End of the day, our Gurus did go out to the people, far and wide, to spread the message of Guru Jee to the masses.

I guess in a way its strange... i know someone who was thinking of having a wedding at a holiday resort and i asked them why - the answer was that they wanted their wedding to be special. My question in return was "is having Guru Jee there whatever the surrounding not special enough for you?" ... so i just think people should ask themselves the question first... why do you want to take Guru jee out to a "golf course" or whatever... if it is because you want a "special" wedding and think taking Maharaj to a golf course would make it more special, then i dont think you deserve to have Guru Jee at your wedding at all IMO.

Sorry if that offends anyone.

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Personally, im not totally against it. End of the day, our Gurus did go out to the people, far and wide, to spread the message of Guru Jee to the masses.

I guess in a way its strange... i know someone who was thinking of having a wedding at a holiday resort and i asked them why - the answer was that they wanted their wedding to be special. My question in return was "is having Guru Jee there whatever the surrounding not special enough for you?" ... so i just think people should ask themselves the question first... why do you want to take Guru jee out to a "golf course" or whatever... if it is because you want a "special" wedding and think taking Maharaj to a golf course would make it more special, then i dont think you deserve to have Guru Jee at your wedding at all IMO.

Sorry if that offends anyone.

Yes it would be special and yes Guruji would agree that this is special and would be Very happy with it.

Thank you.

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Benji,

I think you have made your mind up about taking Guru Ji to this golf course and will change all objections around to suit your argument. I think your wedding and its setting it coming first and Guru Ji is having to fit in with your arrangements.

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I agree with Bundha. Jassika, when many people are giving you advice, its good to at least consider it. Alot of time when we say "Guru Ji wouldn't mind", its really about "I don't mind"

You are not to take Guru Ji's Saroop to where liquor, meat parties, etc take place, and thats final. Please don't.

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In the end people are going to do what they are going to do. You can have all the advise in the world, but if you're already convinced that you're right then there's no point.

Be it on the head of the people who feel that the JAGAT GURU is a simple commodity which can be used for their own convenience. Those who have no relationship with their Guru will never see what's wrong in doing these acts. As a recent prominant Mahapursh's said, the people who are involved in abusing the respect of the saroops of Guru Granth Sahib Ji will realise their actions in their next 7 lives. Leave it at that.

Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj.

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Bhenji, the underlying principle is this - Guru Ji travels outside to do parchaar i.e. at a smagam, but when one seeks Gurus blessings - then as part of the process/act of humility/subservience, one goes with nimrata and appears before Gurus charan, in his Dargah, to seek blessing...

In the old days, people did not expect Guru Ji to travel to them, when it was their wedding, they went to Guru Ji to be married by them, be married in their presence and and be blessed by them, in their Darbaar....

I hope you will understand. May be you could organise a seperate parchaarik occassion in the beautiful wild surroundings you have mentioned one day i.e. an akhand paath, kathaa, kirtan and dhadi darbaar... that would be great as an event - and one which was nish-kaam.

I pray it all goes well.

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Bhenji, the underlying principle is this - Guru Ji travels outside to do parchaar i.e. at a smagam, but when one seeks Gurus blessings - then as part of the process/act of humility/subservience, one goes with nimrata and appears before Gurus charan, in his Dargah, to seek blessing...

In the old days, people did not expect Guru Ji to travel to them, when it was their wedding, they went to Guru Ji to be married by them, be married in their presence and and be blessed by them, in their Darbaar....

I hope you will understand. May be you could organise a seperate parchaarik occassion in the beautiful wild surroundings you have mentioned one day i.e. an akhand paath, kathaa, kirtan and dhadi darbaar... that would be great as an event - and one which was nish-kaam.

I pray it all goes well.

I see your point but Gurdwaras are man-made as well and an endless amount of them are allowed AND encouraged to be created so it is a good thing to create ANOTHER home for Guru Ji to enjoy being in. It does not need to be looked at as Guru Ji having to travel because he will get a RIDE the whole way as everything will be set up as every gurdwara has to be set up and all the SEVA will be done FOR GURU JI.

*as for others here that seem to imply certain "acts" are "abusing respect" please be more clear if you believe a certain ACT is doing something and how...

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