Sant In Sikhism

[guruvah]

Not true, it has been used for 2 individuals in Gurbani, so the term was in use then as well.

veer, it would be good if you can show dass the pangtis.....

Dass is sure, it refers to their 'saintly avastha'...

What I was saying was that, throwing SANT title on humans was not a norm in the Khalsa Panth for the first 200 years.....

There have been female Sants too.

I would really love to know if any have been called Gurmukh bibis called ...

Sant Mata ...... Kaur ji...

Sant ....... Kaur Ji....

can you name any?

It's a non-issue.

It is an issue. The fact that it has NEVER been used for Gurmukh bibis, says alot about the deravadi/sant samaji mentality.

Baba/Mata

Bibi/BHai

only these were common Khalsa Panth

[Matheen]

There have been quite a few Sant Bibis in the Panth. One example is Bibi Santosh Kaur Ji, there are many others.

If you want to talk about Avastha, then from Gurbani, a Sikh = a Bhramgyani. That doesn't mean we stop calling ourselves 'Sikhs'. Baba, Sant, it's all the same. Sikhs haven't been good at keeping records, which is why you'll rarely find the term 'Kaur' used in historical texts - doesn't mean that it is a recent invention.

Just because some people misuse the term, it doesn't mean that it shouldn't be used at all. Bhagat Kabir Ji uses the term for himself, and it is used for Bhagat Prehlad as well. Search Bijla Singh's posts on this forum and you will find a detailed analysis of those lines, using viyakaran, which should be acceptable to your school of thought.

[N30S1NGH]

Here are the pictures of few of many female sants in SIkhism:

http://www.nanaksart...8_144703AA.html

[K. SINGH DEEP]

Compare following:-

(i) " Sant anantehe anter naahi"

(ii)" Gur Parmeshar eko Jaan"

(iii) "Hamro bhartaa bado bibeki ,Aphe Sant kahaavehe"

From above qutes it is evident that there is no difference between SANT ,GURU and

PARMESHAR /AKAALPURAKH. we all agree on the point that GURU or SATGURU is the

another converted roop of Akaal Purakh but we ,if agree that human being may be Sant,

can not agree on the point that SANT is the roop of SATGURU or AKAAL PURAKH because

Gurbani says :-

"Har jesa Purakh na labhaee sabh dekheya jagat me tole"

However there are so many great Gursikhs with whom we add the word SANT.

We before using this word must ensure wheather the person to whom

we are going to call SANT ,is a tyagi of Maaya (and does not have heavy Bank balance)

like GURU GOBIND sINGH JI who , before leaving ANANDPUR SAHIB ordered to throw all the

money and jewellery etc, in river Satlaj. He must not be affectionative to himself and his family

(being guarded by armed body guards ) and should be fearless. He should not have any ill feeling

within his mind, brain and heart about any person or religion or any sector of society and must

possess AMIYE DRISHTI like:-

"Hindu O Turak kou Rafazi Imam Saafi, Manas ki jaat sabe eke pehechanbo."

chuk khima ,

Waheguru ji ka Khalsa Waheguru ji ki Fateh

[mohinder pal]

There are two types of Sant/Gurmukhs. One who do Naam Bandgi in their entire life and worldly people like us doesnot come to know them; they remain engrossed in NAAm.they are manu puran sant whose name we donot even know/ And others Who do naam bandagi and come for specific task(Like Sant Jarnail singh ji Bhindrawale, Sant Attar singh ji,Sant Isher Singh ji). They come time to time to establish Naam bandgi ritual in the world. they are True KHASLA(as mentioned Raj Karega Khalsa(pure souls).

Thus we donot have those eyes to say whether He/She is a true sant or not. Therefore it is better to give respect to all(young and older) instead debating over who is Sant or not. True sant would never say that He is a Sant even when He is in Raj yog Avastha or Bhairag yog avstha.

We do Ninda of few sant who have lot of cars, wear expensive clothes and so on. But we should remember that They do Naam Bandgi and all those materialistic(apart from Spiritual) thing are results of their Naam Kamai. Instead We should learn some lessons from their Naam Karni. Even Raja janak was a Satguru of his time(in bhagat mala Sakhi). He had a Raj yog but still from his Antar Aatma he lived a life of a true sant even though People saw him as a King.

Just imagine what would be the condition ofthis Earth If god doenot send Sant/Mahapursh on Earth. They come to establish the True Paath of SGGSJI(from time to time). Choudan Jame Satgur Hova, Sattar Bhagat Daar, Chaurasi Jame pehar ke Kalyug karon Udhar.

[K. SINGH DEEP]

There are two types of Sant/Gurmukhs. One who do Naam Bandgi in their entire life and worldly people like us doesnot come to know them; they remain engrossed in NAAm.they are manu puran sant whose name we donot even know/ And others Who do naam bandagi and come for specific task(Like Sant Jarnail singh ji Bhindrawale, Sant Attar singh ji,Sant Isher Singh ji). They come time to time to establish Naam bandgi ritual in the world. they are True KHASLA(as mentioned Raj Karega Khalsa(pure souls).

Thus we donot have those eyes to say whether He/She is a true sant or not. Therefore it is better to give respect to all(young and older) instead debating over who is Sant or not. True sant would never say that He is a Sant even when He is in Raj yog Avastha or Bhairag yog avstha.

We do Ninda of few sant who have lot of cars, wear expensive clothes and so on. But we should remember that They do Naam Bandgi and all those materialistic(apart from Spiritual) thing are results of their Naam Kamai. Instead We should learn some lessons from their Naam Karni. Even Raja janak was a Satguru of his time(in bhagat mala Sakhi). He had a Raj yog but still from his Antar Aatma he lived a life of a true sant even though People saw him as a King.

Just imagine what would be the condition ofthis Earth If god doenot send Sant/Mahapursh on Earth. They come to establish the True Paath of SGGSJI(from time to time). Choudan Jame Satgur Hova, Sattar Bhagat Daar, Chaurasi Jame pehar ke Kalyug karon Udhar.

RAJA JANAK was not SATGURU ,but was Bhagat, as is told by bhai Gurdaas ji:-

ਭਗਤੁ ਵਡਾ ਰਾਜਾ ਜਨਕੁ ਹੈ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਮਾਇਆ ਵਿਚਿ ਉਦਾਸੀ ।

Bhagatu vadaa raajaa janaku hai guramukhi maaiaa vichi udaasee|

(Vaar 10, Pauri 5)

King Janak was a great Bhagat who amidst maya remained indifferent to it.

However I have not to do any debate with you because you are diversifying

the theme of the topic by doing "anarthh" (wrong meaning) of the quotes

and misinterpretating taking shelter of the Great legend Gursikhs name.

Bhul chuk khima Waheguru ji ka Khalsa Waheguru ji ki Fateh

[guruvah]

Very good post K. Singh Deep!

[Matheen]

Guru Sahib does say "Har, Harjan, Dooe Ek Hai". In reality, a true Sant has reached the avastha of becoming One with Akaal Purakh, but they still have a sareer - Jeevan Mukt.

Sant is not the name of the physical sareer, but of the sooksham sareer.

[guruvah]

Guru Sahib does say "Har, Harjan, Dooe Ek Hai". In reality, a true Sant has reached the avastha of becoming One with Akaal Purakh, but they still have a sareer - Jeevan Mukt.

Sant is not the name of the physical sareer, but of the sooksham sareer.

Veer/phen ji,

what would the arth your school or thought do for these Gurbani pangtis?

ਸੰਤਕੀਸੇਵਾਨਾਮੁਧਿਆਈਐ ॥

and

ਹਰਿਕੀਟਹਲਕਮਾਵਣੀਜਪੀਐਪ੍ਰਭਕਾਨਾਮੁ ॥

how about the importance of Guru here?

ਕਬੀਰਸੇਵਾਕਉਦੁਇਭਲੇਏਕੁਸੰਤੁਇਕੁਰਾਮੁ ॥

ਰਾਮੁਜੁਦਾਤਾਮੁਕਤਿਕੋਸੰਤੁਜਪਾਵੈਨਾਮੁ ॥੧੬੪॥

since, you insist "SANT" word is only and only for mahapursh.

[SunSingh]

A person could be a millionaire yet still have reached sant status. In Gurmat, maya is not bad, maya is simply a thing that need for life that we must not become attached to. Even our body is made of maya, food is maya. Raja Janak was a sant, yet also a raja. Guru Gobind Singh ji was a sant, yet also a raja. Baba Isher Singh ji Rara sahib had many donations coming in, was driven around in expensive cars, yet remained indifferent to it all. He also was a sant. Sant is an avastha, we cannot discern who is or is not a sant simply from examining their possessions. Until our spiritual eye opens, all we can do is see if their conduct is inline with Gurbani. We should not invent our own criteria with our minds, this is not Gurmat.