Please Answer - Dasam Granth

[LSB]

Where are these words written. Show us.Just saying at Hazoor sahib mean nothing.

There were two Gurus

1) Guru Granth

2) Guru Panth i.e. khalsa panth

Shastr u got ur answer? i believe? and i was not the one who was comparing, "2 brothers" was not my reply or "2 guru's". Stop confusing others and acting smart.

You guys are taking me as "anti Dasam Granth" - Not in any post of mine i have said Dasam Granth is wrong or as such

Anyway i take my leave from this forums

[Inder Singh]

Maharaja Ranjit Singh listening to the two sacred Granths being recited near Sri Harimandir Sahib.

(A Painting by August Theodore Schoefft (1809-1888), made in Amritsar. From Princess Bamba Collection)

The above photo is for those gurnindaks to see what sikhs were doing when they were in charhdi kala.

Shastr u got ur answer? i believe? and i was not the one who was comparing, "2 brothers" was not my reply or "2 guru's". Stop confusing others and acting smart.

You guys are taking me as "anti Dasam Granth" - Not in any post of mine i have said Dasam Granth is wrong or as such

Anyway i take my leave from this forums

You were here on fishing trip. you got your match. That is what gurnindaks will get from enlightened khalsa.

"aagya bhai Akal ki Tabhi chalayo Panth, Sab Sikhan ko hukum hai Guru Manyo Granth. Guru Granth ji manyo pargat Guran ki deh. jo, prabh ko milna chahe khoj shabad men le"

that is wrong??? Regarding the evidence, can u tell me where it says that there WERE (are? or were?) 2 guru? which 2 guru's please? and where does it say it?

"The Guru accompanied by Khalsa went to the place where Adi Granth had been installed. He opened the holy book, placed five paise and a coconut before it, bowed before it, then went round the sacred scripture five times, bowed every time, and declared it as the Guru for all times to come. Upto this time the holy book was called Pothi Sahib. Gobind Singh named it Granth consisting of two words, Gur and Ant meaning eternal Guru. He asserted: " In future whoever wishes to seek englightenment, guidance and solace, let him read the holy granth. This is your Guru for ever and ever till eternity. " The Guru said that he was entrusting the Khalsa to the care of AkalPurukh (God)"

and all dat is wrong aswell???

He is quoting this Doha and repeatedly telling us that it is written by Guru Gobind singh. A total lie aimed at spreading misinformation.

This doha was written by Giani Gian singh. Before that prahlad singh wrote something on this line. He first writes

Guru khalsa maniyo pargat gurua ki deh

Jo sikh mo milbe chahi khoj inho mein leh ( verse 24)

Further he wites

akal ke bachan sion pargat chalayo panth

sabh sikhan ko bachan hai guru maniyo granth( verse 30)

Such gurnindaks who have aim of spreading misinformation by denigrating granth of tenth amster need to be banned.

But before that he names mischieviously Kavi sainapat for writing something on this line. No way. Kavi sainapat writes that jyot was given to khalsa panth. he does not mention about guru granth at all.

But we know that traditions can never be wrong and we accept guru sahib's verbal command about guruship to SGGS ji.That does not mean we have ti discard his wriitngs as these propagandists want us to do. Dasam granthw as always in parkash along side SGGS duirng dal khalsa, misl and sikh rule period right upto 1944.

We are paying the price for discontinuing that practice.

[Guest shastr]

these guys need some help man.

lsb, we are not taking u as anti dasam granth, we are taking u as a mental patient.

why r u quoting wat inder bhaij has said and directing it towards me? lol. im not looking for answers. ur the one who started all these siyapa. inder bhaji is trying to explain u something, but u keep saying something differnt each post.

these types of people make the forum look like a junk yard. if some guest were to read this thread, they would think so negative of this place.

i still think we should a ban feature next to each person's name, and if that person acts up, then the sangat can all vote to ban them.

[LSB]

OH LORD!!

these lil kids keep bringing up the point that sir dasam granth is not our guru. lol. and no body has EVER said that sir dasam granth is our guru.

so for the people who keep saying that sri dasam granth is not our guru, YES WE ALL KNOW THIS.

you people are making urself look like 4th graders. seriously, stop saying stuff that will make it seem like u know wat ur talking about, when in real life, u guys are clueless.

TO MAKE IT VERLY CLEAR FOR U PEOPLE,

---- NO!!! THERE ARE NOT 2 GURU'S IN THE SIKH PANTH, THERE IS ONLY ONE AND EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT.

--- NOBODY IS TRYING TO MAKE DASAM BANI INTO A SECOND GURU

---AND YES EVERYBODY ACCEPTS THE DOHRA THAT GURU GOBIND SINGH JI STATED BEFORE JOTI JOT AT SRI HAZOOR SAHIB.

mehtab bhaji, just close this thread. plz.

and another benti to admin sevadaars. cant we just ban all these anti dasam bani people? it would really clean the forum up. no joke.

Inder, what i was saying is being said by Shastr

happy now? still need ur evidence?

Learn and then come.

@Shastr - i was not disrespecting Dasam Granth and either did i say it was wrong, but "Inder" seem to be giving his own story's.

Inder read Shastr posts few times and then read mine again and get some information right in ur tiny little brain.

these guys need some help man.

lsb, y r u quoting wat inder bhaij has said and directing it towards me? lol. im not looking for answers. ur the one who started all these siyapa. inder bhaji is trying to explain u something, but u keep saying something differnt each post.

these types of people make the forum look like a junk yard. if some guest were to read this thread, they would think so negative of this place.

i still think we should a ban feature next to each person's name, and if that person acts up, then the sangat can all vote to ban them.

u were asking me "who said Dasam Granth is guru and bla bla bla" so i was suggesting u read inder post and read his last post and he is even indcating

and i started the siyapa? did i say something bad about Dasam Granth? purpose of my posts were only to indicate that Guru Granth ji is our Guru !

[ladli-fauj]

Again same crap without any refrence.

LSB mentions name of kavi sainapat.kavi sainapat writes in his book " Gur shobha" that Guru sahib gave gurgaddi to khalsa.He does not mention gurgaddi being given to SGGS ji. you are lying as far as kavi sainapat is concerned.

You are saying that doha is written by Guru Gobind singh ji. This is another lie.Doha is not written y guru gobind singh ji. If you think so please give Give refrence for that.

When you say that Guru sahib said that his body is in khlasa.Khalsa cann't be initiated without dasam Granth.That itself gives recognition to dasam granth.

Those who spread nonsensical propaganda against dasam granth in disguise are neither sikhs nor well wishers of sikhs. These people will manifest in different categories with different theories.But their aim is one indulge in subtle propaganda against dasam Granth sahib.Do they not know that dasam granth is deeply embedded in sikh psyche.They know it but they will adopt different postures to spread misinformation.They will quote ardas and when told ardas itself is from dasam granth they will toe a different line.

Again there is no competition between two granths.They complement each other.Do not propagate against bani of tenth master.Those who do are enemies of sikhs.sikhs have woken up to identify them.

Are u stateting that Dasam Granth is our 12th guru? and why the hell did u even say "There WERE", There is Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

there is no need to say that.You do not have to stretch to that.Do you know what is meant by Jog and jugti?If not read and understand.

That is the difference between a sikh and otehr religions. A sikh is not a pujari only. he is a saint soldier or sant sipahi.That is why sikhs have SGGS and dasam granth.

its sooo annoying to see people type things like "oh we cant compare guru granth sahib ji to dasam granth sahib ji"

the only people that compare the 2 with each other are people who cant accept both.

sri guru granth sahib ji is our guru, can be viewed as akal purkh ji himself.

sri dasam granth sahib ji, which is also wirtten by the same guru, can be viewed as akal purkh's ji's shakti.

sri guru granth sahib ji = god

sri dasam granth sahib ji = god's shakti.

wat is the problem here. why do we have to look at everything with a small point of view?? all these people crying about stuff dont even know wat they are talking about.

a guru ka singh should be both sant and sipahi.

sri guru granth sahib ji = sant

sri dasam granth sahib ji = sipahi.

they both go hand in hand.

very well written post and to the point.

ok just tell me one thing -

"aagya bhai Akal ki Tabhi chalayo Panth, Sab Sikhan ko hukum hai Guru Manyo Granth. Guru Granth ji manyo pargat Guran ki deh. jo, prabh ko milna chahe khoj shabad men le"

that is wrong??? Regarding the evidence, can u tell me where it says that there WERE (are? or were?) 2 guru? which 2 guru's please? and where does it say it?

"The Guru accompanied by Khalsa went to the place where Adi Granth had been installed. He opened the holy book, placed five paise and a coconut before it, bowed before it, then went round the sacred scripture five times, bowed every time, and declared it as the Guru for all times to come. Upto this time the holy book was called Pothi Sahib. Gobind Singh named it Granth consisting of two words, Gur and Ant meaning eternal Guru. He asserted: " In future whoever wishes to seek englightenment, guidance and solace, let him read the holy granth. This is your Guru for ever and ever till eternity. " The Guru said that he was entrusting the Khalsa to the care of AkalPurukh (God)"

and all dat is wrong aswell???

In the Gurus day The Gurus treated The Adi Granth As A Living Guru Also, Guru Arjun Dev Ji used to sleep on floor and put the Adi Granth on a bed

[Inder Singh]

u were asking me "who said Dasam Granth is guru and bla bla bla" so i was suggesting u read inder post and read his last post and he is even indcating

and i started the siyapa? did i say something bad about Dasam Granth? purpose of my posts were only to indicate that Guru Granth ji is our Guru !

You think you are too clever. Do not show your cleverness here as you are caught high and dry on many points.

If you continue your nonsense, i will also suggest admin to ban you for spraeding misinformation.

these guys need some help man.

lsb, we are not taking u as anti dasam granth, we are taking u as a mental patient.

why r u quoting wat inder bhaij has said and directing it towards me? lol. im not looking for answers. ur the one who started all these siyapa. inder bhaji is trying to explain u something, but u keep saying something differnt each post.

these types of people make the forum look like a junk yard. if some guest were to read this thread, they would think so negative of this place.

i still think we should a ban feature next to each person's name, and if that person acts up, then the sangat can all vote to ban them.

These pople are not sikhs.They are here for propaganda and will keep on surfacing each day. That shows that there is a conspiracy against sikhs.The one aim is to spread propaganda aginst dasam bani and break sikhs away from that so that their amrit is destroyed.

[buddasingh]

LSB’s query did not warrant the following accusations:

“Propoganda, mischief, annoying, same crap, 4th graders, gurnindaks, mental patient, not Sikhs.”

LSB took great care to be respectful and made his respect for dasam granth clear. There was in essence agreement, with semantics at issue….. before personal insults sent things off the rails.

If we truly revere something, we should take care to use a measured voice to properly represent what we care for.

The irony is that everyone involved has made excellent contributions to the forum.

[Mahasamadhi]

What was the need for name calling, whatever happened to being sweet and humble, correct me if im wrong but thats how a sikh should behave, even in debate. Your just going around in circles.

P.S its all bani

Merry Christmas

[Guest shastr]

ok, i will admit it, i could have used my words a little better, as i type without thinking most of the time, and i am sorry for it, as it was deff. not needed. but theres soo much dasam bani nindiya going on everywhere, its ridculous. and maybe i didnt fully understand wat lsb was saying at first. so yea i do apologize for my use of language.

anjaan bacha jaan ke mafi bakshiyo singho.

Admin Note: and on that sweet note.........

[K. SINGH DEEP]

Somewhere in rehatnamas Ihave read:-

"Sikh hoe kar Sikh seo jhagrha kare so Tankhahiya."

So please do not quarrel on this topic but come on the

main question asked at the begining of the topic.

I may submit the objective of Dasam Granth as:-

" Avar vasna nahe kichh,Dharam yudh ko chaao."

and

"Jab aav ki aodh nidaan bane , ati hee run meh tab joojh maraon."

and

" Dukalang pranasi dayalang saroope,

Sadaa ang sange abhangang bibhoote."

Bhul chuk khima WJKK WJKF