7/7 Bomber's Sister Chose Sikhism

[japmans 4]

would it be just as interesting if her brother wasn't a 7/7 bomber? is there even a purposeful link between one fact and the other?

Well, isn't the reason she turned away from Islam because of the fanaticism that she saw around her (even before the bombings)? The fanaticism took its logical course.

hmm.. was there a history of fanaticism in the family? I don't know much about the family. It's not necessarily a fanatic response that the parents cut ties with her. Faithful parents tend to have that reaction when their offspring choose a differnent faith. According to bios online, he only became "more relgious" towards the end of 2003. She converted in the 90's, according to the veer above. There's a disconnect there, no?

[BhForce 1,166]

Hmm, looks like you may be right. "Running away with a Sikh lover" doesn't exactly scream love of God.

By the way, there's nothing wrong with being devout within the Muslim tradition. If someone wants to believe theirs is the best religion in the world, that's fine too.

But there's definitely a problem if someone believes in the interpretation of Islam that says all non-Muslims must either submit or die.

[Paneer Monster 235]

why is it an interesting story? I mean we're all different, I get that, so i'm sure some people might find this interesting. Personally I don't, so i'm curious.

would it be just as interesting if her brother wasn't a 7/7 bomber? is there even a purposeful link between one fact and the other? or was it just included to sensationalize the post? Because if her family disowned her, then she's not his sister, and he's not her brother.

Overall, i agree with West London Singh. While the Wembley example is an extreme case of "gloating", that's not the only definition of gloating. To me, gloating would also be the right word to call the reactions of certain Muslim forums where such conversions are celebrated, joked about and encouraged

Hopefully we're not about to head down that path. For the sake of Alia Kaur and the undoubted ostracizing she must alreayd face, let's not make this a big deal.

wakey wakey japman! its interesting for a number of reasons... least of all... like you say... were all different!

there is huge public interest in the 7 7 bombings. this could have contributed to his actions leading to that day... for example, his community may ahve looked down on him cuz his sister married a sikh, he may have felt he needs to show the world he is a true muslim... he went to pakistan did the full shabang, and kablamo, the rest is history - literally!

[BhForce 1,166]

For the Singh that asked for some sources...

There are many sources available if you run a search online.

But this is perhaps 1 of the most reliable sources from daily mail.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-355619/Suicide-bomber-profile-The-Teenager.html

daily mail is a pretty solid source

Actually, I think he was asking for a source about the HUT meeting. I'd be interested in that, too.

[japmans 4]

why is it an interesting story? I mean we're all different, I get that, so i'm sure some people might find this interesting. Personally I don't, so i'm curious.

would it be just as interesting if her brother wasn't a 7/7 bomber? is there even a purposeful link between one fact and the other? or was it just included to sensationalize the post? Because if her family disowned her, then she's not his sister, and he's not her brother.

Overall, i agree with West London Singh. While the Wembley example is an extreme case of "gloating", that's not the only definition of gloating. To me, gloating would also be the right word to call the reactions of certain Muslim forums where such conversions are celebrated, joked about and encouraged

Hopefully we're not about to head down that path. For the sake of Alia Kaur and the undoubted ostracizing she must alreayd face, let's not make this a big deal.

wakey wakey japman! its interesting for a number of reasons... least of all... like you say... were all different!

there is huge public interest in the 7 7 bombings. this could have contributed to his actions leading to that day... for example, his community may ahve looked down on him cuz his sister married a sikh, he may have felt he needs to show the world he is a true muslim... he went to pakistan did the full shabang, and kablamo, the rest is history - literally!

your cute little sarcastic comment aside;

so how does this affect future policy on dealing with terrorism? Let's play along and say that yes, alia converting to sikhism may have caused him to go and bomb the British subway system (i'm not sure I believe that, for the record, but we're having a civilized discussion, so let's explore it).. so the solution could be, therefore, to lock up any muslim who's experienced a conversion by a relative... in fear that they'll develop an inferiority complex and bomb something. (ceteris paribus on the community reaction to such occurrences). A little extreme of course.. but given the paranoia and slippery slope of western-world lawmakers, seems like it could be a possibility within 20 years.

Back to Hasib: It would be more logical for him to blow up something sikh-related if the conversion was bothering him. Don't forget, there were 4 bombers. Why would Alia's conversion be a coercive factor for the other 3? If Hasib convinced em, he probably shoulda gone into a career in sales instead of this bombing thing, if he was able to do that convincing job! haha

Granted, they might all have their own reasons to get training, but it just doesn't fit your argument that alia's conversion led him to do this. Why not get all the knowledge and training and take it out on the faith that "took" his sister from him? Hell, why not just go after her for bringing such disgrace to the family? Why the carnage? Major gap in logic in my opinion.

The timeline isn't exactly clear either, as mentioned before. she converted in the 90's. he didn't even begin to demonstrate an interest in Islam till late 2003, so it's not even like 9/11 inspired him or something. Seems like his family was never really into Islam (again: Alia "ran off with her sikh lover"... not exactly the behaviour of a devout muslim). I just lend more to the environment and the sheer quantity of extremist islam in the UK. He got interested in Islam, and the first mosque that won his appeal happened to be run by an extremist.

Reminder: We're having a civilized conversation. Think about that before you plunge back into sarcasm.

[Mehtab Singh 3,910]

japmans you are so boring. If you were not a good guy I would have put you under moderation.

ok relax man, I am kidding, you know it.

Anyways, back to serious discussion. Some good points by both sides. I personally think a person who has no idea of both Sikhi and Islam could look at it 2 ways. They could be say "Alia got sick of fanatic Islam and embraced lovely Sikhi", or if they are in need of brain surgery, they could say "Alia movd from one religion of the sword to another". In either case, its no doing the Sikh image any good.

Just my opinion though. Please continue with your valuable input (wait, am I being nice? or is it 2010?..hmmm, both!)

[BhForce 1,166]

Well, if Alia had become a Jew, Jews would figure out some way to spin this as "The solution to the Muslim extremist problem is to convert all the Muslims to Jews" and get funding from the government (like moderate Muslim councils are getting funding from the UK to combat fanatical Islam).

But, we're not Jews.

[Paneer Monster 235]

i didnt say he would bomb things up solely because his sister converted. I said this may have contributed towards him taking a dive into the extreme end of islam - where the heavy intense brainwashing takes place. also, this was just an example i gave for the sake of argument. Several influences would have lead to his actions that day - i would think if your sister leaves your faith and is disowned by her family because of this, it would have an impact on your family and reinforced consequences.

furthermore where i live in central london many muslims seem to have a sikh bashing agenda, so yes i find fo it interesting - deal with it!

moreover, your contribution to this thread has sparked even more interest and user contributions which is my point exactly. Some members of the sangat will have some interest in this topic – its not a crime.

You have really taken this issue to heart…you remind me of this old chap…

[japmans 4]

i didnt say he would bomb things up solely because his sister converted. I said this may have contributed towards him taking a dive into the extreme end of islam - where the heavy intense brainwashing takes place. also, this was just an example i gave for the sake of argument. Several influences would have lead to his actions that day - i would think if your sister leaves your faith and is disowned by her family because of this, it would have an impact on your family and reinforced consequences.

furthermore where i live in central london many muslims seem to have a sikh bashing agenda, so yes i find fo it interesting - deal with it!

moreover, your contribution to this thread has sparked even more interest and user contributions which is my point exactly. Some members of the sangat will have some interest in this topic – its not a crime.

You have really taken this issue to heart…you remind me of this old chap…

haha veer, i never said it's not an interesting topic, i just said it wasn't a particularly interesting topic to me. I just wanted to know why others found it so interesting. You even pointed it out in your first post that I said that other ppl may find this interesting. I accept that! I'm not even being aggressive or hating on anyone for having an interest in this. Why do you feel like you've been targeted? Can't we have different opinions and still have a reasonable discussion? When did that become a difficult thing to do? Why the hostility: "Deal With It!".

Having a conversation is tough these days!

But Thank you for sharing why it's of personal interst to you. Now I understand a bit more. Thank you.

[buddasingh 210]

i didnt say he would bomb things up solely because his sister converted. I said this may have contributed towards him taking a dive into the extreme end of islam - where the heavy intense brainwashing takes place. also, this was just an example i gave for the sake of argument. Several influences would have lead to his actions that day - i would think if your sister leaves your faith and is disowned by her family because of this, it would have an impact on your family and reinforced consequences.

furthermore where i live in central london many muslims seem to have a sikh bashing agenda, so yes i find fo it interesting - deal with it!

moreover, your contribution to this thread has sparked even more interest and user contributions which is my point exactly. Some members of the sangat will have some interest in this topic – its not a crime.

You have really taken this issue to heart…you remind me of this old chap…

haha veer, i never said it's not an interesting topic, i just said it wasn't a particularly interesting topic to me. I just wanted to know why others found it so interesting. You even pointed it out in your first post that I said that other ppl may find this interesting. I accept that! I'm not even being aggressive or hating on anyone for having an interest in this. Why do you feel like you've been targeted? Can't we have different opinions and still have a reasonable discussion? When did that become a difficult thing to do? Why the hostility: "Deal With It!".

Having a conversation is tough these days!

But Thank you for sharing why it's of personal interst to you. Now I understand a bit more. Thank you.

japmans dude, nice to see you back with some sikh-like grace and intelligence.--and paneer bro, to take nothing away from you, a general nice to you too.

[innergear 35]

For the Singh that asked for some sources...

There are many sources available if you run a search online.

But this is perhaps 1 of the most reliable sources from daily mail.

http://www.dailymail...e-Teenager.html

daily mail is a pretty solid source

Actually, I think he was asking for a source about the HUT meeting. I'd be interested in that, too.

what you are trying to tell us is that this person ran away with a sikh lover, your post gives me the idea that this person is dresse in bhana somewhere in leeds leading a sikh life #! # if i dared to gloat about this to a muslim they would laugh in my face

[SadSingh 173]

bump

[dallysingh101 1,983]

Just because she run off with a Sikh lover doesn't make her a Sikh convert..... duhhhh

I think because apneean have converted or have been pimped by sullay, some lesser brained brothers and sisters really push the boat to show sullian are converting this way too, to rub it in Abdul's face. It's some sort of comical t1t-for-tat thing they've conjured up in their brain.

[mrggg123 130]

Just because she run off with a Sikh lover doesn't make her a Sikh convert..... duhhhh

I think because apneean have converted or have been pimped by sullay, some lesser brained brothers and sisters really push the boat to show sullian are converting this way too, to rub it in Abdul's face. It's some sort of comical t1t-for-tat thing they've conjured up in their brain.

so what we defend when attacked

[dallysingh101 1,983]

so what we defend when attacked

I agree we should defend and attack but exaggerating things like in the above story (to try and make us feel better) is poor job of defense in my opinion. Seems desperate to be honest.