Rehatnamas And Historic Sources Mentioning Gurgadhi Given To Sggs

[KH4L1$T4N1]

Gurfateh ji

does anyone know where Bhai Chaupa Singhs rehtnama regarding Gurgadhi is recorded? i have already khow of Bhai Prahlad Singhs one, but thats in Giani Gian Singhs tavareek khalsa. wats the oldest source to mention SGGS as eternal Guroo?

thanx, need it quick as possible

[Matheen]

It is mentioned in Sri Sarbloh Granth.

No point arguing with a Naamdhari or anyone else though - tell him to follow his religion, and you follow yours.

[KH4L1$T4N1]

thats the thing tho, they claim to be following real Sikhi. is it the following quote from sarab loh u are talking about?

ਅਥ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਥਾਪਨ ਮਹਾਤਮ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਬਿਗ੍ਰਹ ਕਥਤੇ

ਆਪਨਪੌ ਸ਼੍ਰੀ ਖਾਲਸਹਿ ਸੌਪਾਂ, ਦ੍ਵਤਯਿ ਰੂਪ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥਾ

ਬੋਲਨ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਸਬਦ-ਸੋਭਾਖਨ, ਨਾਮ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਕੀਰਤਨਿ ਸੰਥਾ ॥

ਗੁਨਾਨੁਵਾਦ ਪੁਨਿ ਸਿਫਤਿ ਸਲਾਹਨਿ, ਊਠਤੁ ਬੈਠਤੁ ਸੈਨ ਕਰੰਥਾ ॥

ਪਾਵਨ ਪੰਥ ਖਾਲਸਹਿ ਪ੍ਰਗਟਯੋ, ਚਾਰ ਵਰਨ ਆਸ਼੍ਰਮ ਸੁਭ ਪੰਥਾ ॥੧॥

ਇਨ ਕੇ ਦਰਸ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਕੋ ਦਰਸਨ, ਬੋਲਨ ਗੁਰੂ ਸਬਦੁ ਗੁਰੁ ਗ੍ਰੰਥਾ ॥

ਦ੍ਵਾਦਸਿ ਰੂਪ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਏ ਕਹਿਯਤਿ, ਦ੍ਵਾਦਸਿ-ਭਾਨੁ ਪ੍ਰਗਟ ਹਰਿ ਸੰਤਾ ॥

ਪ੍ਰਤਯਖ ਕਲਾ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਧਣੀਛੈ, ਗ੍ਰੰਥਿ ਪੰਥ ਖਾਲਸ ਵਰਤੰਤਾ ॥

ਦਾਸ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਫਤਹ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਕੀ, ਖਾਸ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਗੁਰੁ ਰੂਪ ਬਦੰਤਾ ॥

anyone know of bhai chaupa singhs rehtnama? another good arguement is about bans/ lineages. altho these dont mean much to us it seems to mean alot to them. as mentioned in satta balvan ki vaar "chulli peeri sodhiyan ki roop dhikhavan vaaro vaari" all Guroo Sahibs from Guroo Raam Dass ji onwards were from sodhi bans. as written in the vaar all guroo's onwards would be. how many of namdhari "gurus" are from sodhi bans were/are from sodhi bans? NONE!

[Matheen]

Yes, that's the one. There's a translation at www.sikh-realty.blogspot.com . There also another verse from Sri Sarbloh Granth, where Guru Ji says that the lineage of human Gurus has come to an end: http://sikh-reality.blogspot.com/2009/12/guru-gobind-singh-ji-giving-sermon-to.html

[apnepart2]

Instead of giving answers to questions that have been already tackled by scholars who put more weight on doubt, start seeking answers from namdharis. The biggest flaw is hiding of Guru Gobind singh to test his Sikhs lol And Namdharis have no expalanation of about hundered years gap between Ram Singh and the Baba preceding him. There is also a letter from Ram Singh saying he is not guru.

Ram Singh and his followers could put anyone to shame for their acts of violence, the love for non-violence is pretty recent.

[Militant Singh]

nt to mention thm raiding meat shps savin cows lol

[SikhYouth]

Any biography link of Bhai Ram Singh ?

[S.S.F]

Any biography link of Bhai Ram Singh ?

what else can we say, what hundred year gap? yeah and some info on thier history would be good. and where is this lettter

[KOOKAR]

follow the links below where Guru Gobind Singh Ji explains to Bhai Nand Lal Ji his three forms and how to get his

darshan

http://www.globalsikhstudies.net/pdf/kal_e-goya.pdf

[mohinder pal]

I have yet to understand where in the vastness of Sikh history the first 10 Satgurus ordained their followers to stop regarding Them as Satguru and follow the 'Shabad Guru'. Everyone who wants to tell me about 'Shabad Guru' points to the famous verse in Sidh Gost:

'Shabad Guru, Surat Dhun Chela..'.

I ask you this: IF GURU NANAKDEVJI'S OBJECTIVE WAS TO ENJOIN HIS FOLLOWERS TO 'SHABAD GURU' WHY OH WHY DID HE START THE LINEAGE OF HUMAN GURUS? Quotes only from the Gurbani, please. WHY DO THE BHATS STATE CATEGORICALLY WITHIN THE GURBANI THAT IT IS THIS LINEAGE OF HUMAN GURUS, AS ORDAINED BY ".. AADH PURAKH.." THAT WILL SEE OUT THIS AGE OF KALYUG? .

In His opening verse of Chaubis Avtaar Guru Gobind singh ji writes:

'...Jab, Jab hott arist apaara, tab, tab Dhe dharat Avtaara...

That means Nirgun becomes Sargun.

I didnot find anywhere in Sikh History where Guruji mentioned that There would be No DehDhari Guru(Sargun Avtar) after 10 Patshahis. It is very very very true that Guruji gave His Guruship to SGGSji(Nirgun). That Doesnot mean that SGGSji would never give Guruship in Future.