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ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

Can any Bibhie Justify why she plucks her eyebrows ? i ask this becuase i seen a recent pic of a bibhie in the panj pyara which i thought was cool and than realised that she may of plucked her brows when asking some gursikh bibhia they confermed they do luk plucked but they may be natural so just a question to my sisters i dont mean Non Gursikh Bibhia i mean amritdharis or bibhia with full rehait

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PS also heard that some believe its ok to do this but its not ok to cut kesh on head :S im not judging she wondered

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First only Singhs can be in Punj Pyare. People who put in woman in Punj Pyare are following Manmat and going against Dhan Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji. There is no justification for putting in a bibi in Punj Pyare and if someone could bring one forward Dass will finally shut his mouth on this topic and won't bring it up again.

Secondly, a person that broke away from his(it's not his/her here just his, it's no mistake) Amrit, which means, committed any of the 4 sins, which includes cutting of any body hairs, cannot ever be part of Punj Pyare.

Satguru Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji gave a Hukam to his Khalsa never to cut hair, so how can a Singh that cuts his hair represent Dhan Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji.

Bibian that cut any of their hair off have broken away from their Amrit and need to go pesh to the Punj Pyare. Their is no exception, just because they are women and some twisted, backward thinking society say women should. Your a Khalsa, and no giddar, so live as the Khalsa.

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As ONly Five, veerji, said above, nobody, I mean NOBODY should cut their hair, shave or trim or pluck. The people who do either don't know about Guru Gobind Singh jeee (other races) or they don't follow the sikhi at all if they happen to be born to sikh parents or they have already lost the prevelige to be staying amritdhari if they took amrit but not following the code of conduct which includes not to tamper with your any part body hair.

U cann't control the world.

there are all kinds of people in this world. I just experienced some different kind of amritdharies over the weekend. I won't talk about it, if I do, I will be doing nindiya I guess. I will just leave the people at the stage they are.

In nutshell, NO hair removal allowed for men or women if you sincerely wanna follow sikhism.

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Oakeyyyyyyyyyyyyy im not looking for reasons why bibhia cant be in panj pyara and i dought anyones gonna bring it to light and dispute if this they was u reacted only 5 im not here asking if its rite or not im ASKING can Bibhia that do pluck there eyebrowsw hy they do it!!!

This is so i can understand why they do it and how they think they can justify it

Thanks !!!!

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I think they do it because it "shapes" their face. Muslim women aren't allowed to do their eyebrows either because it will make them look "attractive" so maybe the reason why Sikh bibya do it is because it'll make them feel more attractive. I'm not sure why an Amritdhari bibi would do it. Its like take Amrit and stay in rehet or dont take it at all.

This lady who is an Amritdhari told me that she has "Khula Amrit" where as she was taking Amrit she said that she wouldnt follow rehet properly. She told me you can take "Khula Amrit" and tell Guru Ji that you wont follow all of his rehet and you dont even have to pesh for anything. I laughed at this concept but I think this is why some Bibi's do it and justify it.

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VahegurooJeeKaaKhalsaa

VahegurooJeeKeeFatehe!!

My Mom is Amritdhari with Guroo Sahib's kirpa. Her eyebrows look as if she has done them, but they have gotten like this through time. I mean she started plucking her eyebrows in her 20s, and now she is in her 40s. Many people have even commented on her maybe doing it, but she doesn't. The hair just don't grow from the areas she has plucked in her past. So maybe some other Bibiyaan are going through the same thing? While I do know some Bibiyaan (w/ Keski) who do it even after taking Amrit, or have gone to the Laser Hair Removal center and done them permanantly just as they knew they were going to take Amrit, I think it is sad.

I think many Bibiyaan do it (as I have done it before taking Amrit) because of peer pressure and lack of parchar on rehet. I mean they don't want to have a unibrow, or a bird as my eyebrows have been called in the past. I felt embarrased because everyone else did it, and I felt I should too because I didn't feel comfortable with people always commenting on them. But with Guroo Maharaaj's kirpa the day I realized my mistake I kept the plucker down and it's gone for good. Now after Guroo Saahib gave me Amrit and the Daat of Keski I seriously could care less about what people have to say about any of my physical feature. Be it be my eyebrows, facial hair, Keski etc. I just think if they have a problem with it, they should just look away. It will save their time and energy. Plus you can either make your Guroo happy or the people around, so I chose Guroo Saahib.

Anyhow, I hope it helps you understand a little on why Bibiyaan do it. But I myself don't know why Bibiyaan do it after takin

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So men are higher than women?

Five men have the right to represent Dhan Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj, and women aren't allowed to.

It's probably because men are just better. I knew we weren't created equally :D

*Just want to make it clear that sarcasm is being used in the previous sentences*

Why can't women be in the panj pyareh?

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Oakeyyyyyyyyyyyyy im not looking for reasons why bibhia cant be in panj pyara and i dought anyones gonna bring it to light and dispute if this they was u reacted only 5 im not here asking if its rite or not im ASKING can Bibhia that do pluck there eyebrowsw hy they do it!!!

This is so i can understand why they do it and how they think they can justify it

Thanks !!!!

Before you accuse others of bringing up a issue, you should look at your own hand. I only responded to your post, which you believe is being objective, but it starts off with being subjective, "cool" so to blame me for your own mistakes is not a right way to respond.

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and btw women not allowed in panj pyare laugh.gif

source please rolleyes.gif

Isn't it amazing the people that put in women in Punj Pyare or support it don't have one source saying they can do it, but they want to ask the Gurmat side where is proof. I know the world works in twisted ways and your twisted thinking will work there fine, but when you come on a Sikhi site or walk into a Gurdwara take your twisted views and leave them at the door, just pick them back up at the door because surely no Gurmukh is going to take them up.

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and btw women not allowed in panj pyare laugh.gif

source please rolleyes.gif

Isn't it amazing the people that put in women in Punj Pyare or support it don't have one source saying they can do it, but they want to ask the Gurmat side where is proof. I know the world works in twisted ways and your twisted thinking will work there fine, but when you come on a Sikhi site or walk into a Gurdwara take your twisted views and leave them at the door, just pick them back up at the door because surely no Gurmukh is going to take them up.

Funny how when someone has a different view than yours, they are "twisted". Let me ask you a question: How do you know 100% that your beliefs are the Truth? have you received a divine message from the Almighty? I see too many people in the world who are so quick to judge others, and think they are the only ones who aren't "twisted". I think more nimarta and less judgment is needed in the panth.

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and btw women not allowed in panj pyare laugh.gif

source please rolleyes.gif

Isn't it amazing the people that put in women in Punj Pyare or support it don't have one source saying they can do it, but they want to ask the Gurmat side where is proof. I know the world works in twisted ways and your twisted thinking will work there fine, but when you come on a Sikhi site or walk into a Gurdwara take your twisted views and leave them at the door, just pick them back up at the door because surely no Gurmukh is going to take them up.

For arguments sake...if we say that there is gender equality in Sikhi then why can't a women be in the Punj?....

In short 'only five' ji, there needs to be a backed up reason for the view than women cannot be in the Punj...otherwise it can be easily classified as double standards or hypocrisy...this is the kind of question a kid may ask and to not give an explanation will only cause confusion..

Based on the maintream Sikhi that most people will first interact with there's more reasons to back women being in the Punj then against...so if people are saying women cannot do the sewa then at least back it up with reasoning...

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Here is a thread where this all has been discussed.

http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/29695-kaurs-in-punj-piarey/page__hl__punj%20pyare__st__108

Also here is a pothi that has question and answer" Written by Baba Jaswant Singh (Student of Sant Gurbachan Singh Khalsa, DDT)

http://www.gurmatveechar.com/bhagatji/Pothi%20Files/Question%20Answer%20Pothi.pdf

The reason why Punj Pyare are always Singhs is on ang 86 of the pothi and here is an audio of the pothi

http://www.gursevak.com/questionanswer.html

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and btw women not allowed in panj pyare laugh.gif

source please rolleyes.gif

Isn't it amazing the people that put in women in Punj Pyare or support it don't have one source saying they can do it, but they want to ask the Gurmat side where is proof. I know the world works in twisted ways and your twisted thinking will work there fine, but when you come on a Sikhi site or walk into a Gurdwara take your twisted views and leave them at the door, just pick them back up at the door because surely no Gurmukh is going to take them up.

For arguments sake...if we say that there is gender equality in Sikhi then why can't a women be in the Punj?....

The gender equality arguement has no stand, if it does then be prepared to say Mata Sahib Kaur ji was not willing to give her head on 1699. So be prepared to say that there was no Gurmukh woman sitting in the sangat on 1699. Are you prepared to label the Gurmukh women of that time as weak and unwilling to give their head to Guru Sahib. Remember these are the same women that wore their kids legs and arm around their necks and did not let go of Sikhi. Also be prepared to say Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji discriminated against women after the first Amrit Sanchaar because he never once put in a women in Punj Pyare di seva. First Amrit Sanchaar was 1699 and Guru Sahib left this earth in 1708, that gave him nine years to put in a woman in Punj Pyare and he didn't do it once.

Go through the thread which I presented a post above from yours and see if their is a reason given.

Based on the maintream Sikhi that most people will first interact with there's more reasons to back women being in the Punj then against...so if people are saying women cannot do the sewa then at least back it up with reasoning...

What do you mean by main stream, the so called Sikhi that Darshan laal wants everyone to follow. That's not called Sikhi, it's called Manmat. Also 3HO, who started this whole thing is not main stream Sikhi.

Lastly, just for arguement sake, where is the source that say women can be in Punj Pyare, I have given loads of credible reasons, why they can't, but not a single reason is even valid when it comes to the other side.

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