Eye Witness Account Of Vaisakhi - 1699

[dalsingh101]

How about reading panth parkash and finding out then? feel free to "try" and prove me wrong

I've never found that account when I've read it? The nearest thing is the account of how Guru ji strengthened the concept of shaheedi in the quom with a test asking for heads, but this isn't linked to Vasaikhi in the text.

wannabe akali, here is a link to the Panjabi text of the earlier sections of Panth Prakash with an English translation. maybe you could point out the account in there?

I should also point out that Panth Prakash was written in 19th century so it's hardly contemporary to the founding of the Khalsa in anycase.

Please point out the relevant page(s) to us:

http://sikhinstitute.org/gpp_v1.pdf

[Only five]

I think the question is not what Guru Sahib could or could not do, but more toward what really happened. It seems there are conflicting accounts written in history, which does not help shed any light on the actual event. Regardless, I feel it's the outcome that matters the most, Guru Sahib started khalsa panth on the day! :respect:

You have people believing (making up historical accounts) that Guru cut goats heads in the tent or dipped his sword in a bowl of goat blood. What would you say to such slanderous statements? Then you have people saying (making up historical account) that Satguru went behind the tent and made the Punj look all pretty and came back out with all of them. Again any person that reads Gurbani would know this is another slanderous statement directed at Satguru. None of the so called historical accounts make sense when you read Gurbani. The one that does have the approval of Gurbani is where Satguru asked and he recieved and he did as he said. It's a simple case of reading Gurbani.

Say no i witness account exist or such account exist that says what happened in the tent. We know for a fact that Satguru asked for heads. This is the only part a Sikh of the Guru needs to understand for what happened behind the tent. The sword drenched in blood after the first head is reinforcing what Satguru asked for.

Sant Baba Jarnail Singh ji Khalsa has said Satguru asked for heads and he got heads. There is no disagreement on whether Satguru asked for heads that day. And if some do question this fact then others should be warned because these people intentions are to put doubts in Sikhs.

[gurdssingh]

I believe what happened on the day to be true as our guru is not a lair / pakhandi.

But where and who made the account about the goats first? As in school we were told that in RE class also.

[dalsingh101]

I believe what happened on the day to be true as our guru is not a lair / pakhandi.

But where and who made the account about the goats first? As in school we were told that in RE class also.

I thought this was more about the provenance of the account in the original post?

No one has ever managed to locate the original despite claims it is in Aligarh University. Whilst it is perfectly fine to believe what you do, acting like this narrative is some sort of proven contemporary source on the events of the original Vasaikhi isn't right.

[jassa]

How about reading panth parkash and finding out then? feel free to "try" and prove me wrong

Well if you have made it matter of pride then in no way i m going to even try and prove you wrong. You are 100% right and rattan singh bhangu mentions what ever you say.

For others here is whats written in prachin panth parkash. I have a teeka done by baba Santa singh ji but Dal singh ji posted a direct link to the text so i am copy pasting it from that pdf

Episode 15

Episode About the Creation of the Khalsa At Keshgarh Sahib

(Amrit Pahul — Initiation Ceremony)

(The First Five Beloved Initiated Sikhs)

Dohra : After thoroughly deliberating over the whole situation,

Guru Gobind Singh arrived at a firm resolution.

Thereafter, positioning himself at Keshgarh1 (Sahib),

He started making endeavours to implement his resolution. (1)

He summoned the services of learned Brahmins and great astrologers,

To make a prediction about the auspicious moment for launching his mission.

He made a selection of five sprightly youths,

One each out of the five Indian castes. (2)

Chaupai : By selecting these five youths from the five different castes,

Guru Gobind Singh created a common brotherhood of all the four main castes.

S. Daya Singh Sobti was the first to be selected from the Kshtriya2 caste,

Who was a prominent inhabitant of the city of Lahore. (3)

Dharam Singh from Hastinapur3 was the second to be chosen,

Who happened to be a Jat4 with flowing Shiva like5 locks of hair.

Mohkam Singh was the third, born and bred at Dwarka,

The place from where Namdev’s6 spiritual guide Krishna hailed. (4)

Sahib Singh, a barbar by caste, was the fourth from a place,

Which was also the abode of Bhagat/Saint Sain7 .

Himmat Singh, the water-carrier, was the fifth chosen,

Thus, the five youths from the five castes were identified. (5)

Thereafter, Guru Gobind Singh got the ‘Khandey ki Pahul’8 prepared,

By mixing sweet-candies in a bowl of water.

He stirred the sweetened solution with a double-edged sword,

By keeping its sharp edge all the time towards himself. (6)

Dohra : Satguru Guru Gobind Singh kept on chanting the true name of God,

And kept on reciting the name of God, The Creator.

He continued meditating on the timeless eternal God,

In order to invoke His grace for the success of his mission. (7)

Chaupai : First, Guru Gobind Singh recited the ballad consecrated to Bhagwati9 (the primal force),

He himself had composed this ballad for the first time.

Then he invoked the grace of earlier Nine Sikh Gurus10 ,

And beseeched them to bestow their blessings on the Tenth Guru. (8)

Thereafter he recited the thirty-two savyeeyas11 ,

Which also came out from his own sacred lips.

This war ballad “Chandi-di-War”12 was a very inspiring composition,

The recitation of which was also made mandatory during initiation ceremony. (9)

Tirbhange13

Chhand : O/ the primal force/Bhagwati/the Sword

Which is capable of making a mince-meat of the wicked;

Which is capable of decimating the forces of ignorance;

Which is capable of waging a mighty war in the field;

Which bestows its blessings on the mighty warriors.

Which protects the mighty arms from being broken;

Which ignites and illuminates the whole environment;

Which emanates an ever-steady and undiminished brilliance,

Which shines and illuminates as brightly as the sun.

Which brings about peace and comfort for the saints;

Which annihilates all kinds of evil and the wicked;

Which eliminates all kinds of sins and strife;

I have sought the protection and blessings of that Divine Power.

Praise be to that creative Force of the Universe;

Which sustains and preserves the whole creation;

Which shields and protects me as well;

Praise be to that sword, the emblem/incarnation of Bhagwati.

Dohra : Filling his cupped hands with the prepared Amrit Pahul (elixir)

Satguru exhorted the five chosen ones to present themselves.

Instructing them to face him with their eyes open wide,

He sprinkled the cupped elixir into their eyes. (10)

Chaupai : He made them recite and repeat the name of the timeless/eternal,

And bade them shout the slogan, “Victory be to God”.

Thereafter, he poured the cupped elixir five times into each one’s head,

As well as made each one of them drink five draughts of this elixir. (11)

Then he made them partake food from the same steel bowl,

In order to eliminate all distinctions of caste and race.

He instructed them to discard the four distinctions of caste,

As well as their symbolic emblems such as the thread14 and saffron mark. (12)

Thereafter, Satguru bade them to obey the following injunctions:

They would neither have any dealings with the Masands15 .

Nor with those indulging in female foeticide or smoking or being the followers of Ram Rai16 ,

For whosoever dealt with them was bound to come to grief. (13)

They must also contribute to Guru’s House as per their financial capacity,

As well as offer sacred ‘karah Parshad17 ’ to the Khalsa fraternity.

They must wear the Sikh undergarment18 and a turban on their heads,

And follow the teachings of Sri Guru Granth Sahib. (14)

Dohra : Satguru, after delivering these instructions to the chosen five,

Made them sling a sword from their shoulders.

He also made them wear a dagger-studded steel rings around their turban,

In the midst of chanting the name of eternal God. (15)

Chaupai : Guru Gobind Singh further instructed them to read Gurbani,

And meditate on God’s name both in the morning and evening.

They must also recite hymns of Anand Sahib19 and Rehras20 ,

As well as recite the text of “Chandi-di-//”21 . (16)

They must wear a turban twice a day on their heads,

As well as wear the ordained arms round the clock.

They should go on hunting expeditions after partaking Amrit,

So that they might become well-versed in handling of arms. (17)

They should eat mutton only after slaughtering the animal with one stroke,

And desist from eating the meat of dead animals22 .

They must clean and nourish the hair on their heads and their beards,

And desist from shaving their hair with a blade. (18)

They must discard the rituals associated with their dead ancestors,

And concentrate and meditate on Guru-ordained teachings.

They must remain vigilant against those going astray from the prescribed regimen,

And award them suitable punishment for their acts of misdemeaneur. (19)

Dohra : Whatever ceremonial procedure Satguru had devised earlier,

He repeated the same procedure once again.

He begged to be initiated himself in the same manner,

From those five chosen ones whom he himself had initiated. (20)

After being initiated by the five initiated ones in the same manner,

He came to be known as Teacher-disciple rolled into one.

This has been the tradition from the very beginning,

As Guru Nanak had also accepted Guru Angad as his Guru. (21)

After taking of Pahul-Amrit as per Guru’s instructions,

The Khalsa Panth flourished and went from strength to strength.

It was in the year of seventeen hundred and fifty two,

That the Khalsa Panth was founded on Wednesday in the month of Vaisakh.23

I've never found that account when I've read it? The nearest thing is the account of how Guru ji strengthened the concept of shaheedi in the quom with a test asking for heads, but this isn't linked to Vasaikhi in the text.

wannabe akali, here is a link to the Panjabi text of the earlier sections of Panth Prakash with an English translation. maybe you could point out the account in there?

I should also point out that Panth Prakash was written in 19th century so it's hardly contemporary to the founding of the Khalsa in anycase.

Please point out the relevant page(s) to us:

http://sikhinstitute.org/gpp_v1.pdf

Thanks for the link can we somehow put baba santa singhs teeka online?

[dalsingh101]

Thanks for the link can we somehow put baba santa singhs teeka online?

No problem.

Do you have a scanner?

Ask Prabhjot veer how to do it, he is an expert on these things.

[VanHelsingh]

Woah, woah, woah. What's up with the following lines? Are we accepting this?

He summoned the services of learned Brahmins and great astrologers,

To make a prediction about the auspicious moment for launching his mission.

[dalsingh101]

Woah, woah, woah. What's up with the following lines? Are we accepting this?

The whole point is about being discerning and critical about historical texts. Not accepting contents without thorough scrutiny, even if they appeal to us in some way as in the example of the OP.

Bhangoo's work is interesting. The original work apparently had references to a sacrificial fire for Chandi prior to revealing the Khalsa, and a sacrifice of a bull on the eve of Abdali Shah's invasion. No one can turn around and unequivocally says these things are true because for one, they were written so long after the events. Plus even contemporary sources can become interpolated or contain mistaken notions, like Kavi Kankan's Das Guru Katha. Rattan Singh Bhagoo's work is very important and fascinating on many levels but not everything is unquestionable. Bhai Vir Singh removed references to the things I mentioned above (and other stuff) prior to publishing his edition of the work. This Panjabi article is about that.

Have a look at this for a partial analysis of some of the contents of Panth Prakash.

[Only five]

Well if you have made it matter of pride then in no way i m going to even try and prove you wrong. You are 100% right and rattan singh bhangu mentions what ever you say.

For others here is whats written in prachin panth parkash. I have a teeka done by baba Santa singh ji but Dal singh ji posted a direct link to the text so i am copy pasting it from that pdf

He made a selection of five sprightly youths,

One each out of the five Indian castes. (2)

Chaupai : By selecting these five youths from the five different castes,

Guru Gobind Singh created a common brotherhood of all the four main castes.

S. Daya Singh Sobti was the first to be selected from the Kshtriya2 caste,

Who was a prominent inhabitant of the city of Lahore. (3)

Dharam Singh from Hastinapur3 was the second to be chosen,

Who happened to be a Jat4 with flowing Shiva like5 locks of hair.

Mohkam Singh was the third, born and bred at Dwarka,

The place from where Namdev's6 spiritual guide Krishna hailed. (4)

Sahib Singh, a barbar by caste, was the fourth from a place,

Which was also the abode of Bhagat/Saint Sain7 .

Himmat Singh, the water-carrier, was the fifth chosen,

Thus, the five youths from the five castes were identified. (5)

Thereafter, Guru Gobind Singh got the 'Khandey ki Pahul'8 prepared,

How did you answer the question on what happened in the tent? This account only says Satguru Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji Maharaj selected the Punj Pyare. As history tells us the Punj Pyare were not selected, but came foward one by one. Also this account which you present does not show how the Punj Pyare were 'selected'. Was every fifth man in the sangat picked, what was the 'selection' based on? This account on whether the Punj Pyare were behead say nothing. This account is completely irrelevant to whether the Punj Pyare were beheaded or not. This account is relevant for the facts of what happened before and after the Punj Pyare came forward. Surely Satguru didn't consult no astrologer or brahmins before he finalized the Khalsa. Sri Waheguru/Satguru doesn't answer to anyone. Also we have Sant Baba Jarnail Singh Ji Khalsa saying Satguru asked for heads. Sant ji was taught from the school of Taksal, so this account does not at all match up with the learned Saints (Sant Baba Gurbachan Singh ji) of Sikhi on the topic of the beheading. This account is incomplete and does not prove one bit to say the Punj Pyare were not beheaded or they were.

[jassa]

How did you answer the question on what happened in the tent? This account only says Satguru Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji Maharaj selected the Punj Pyare. As history tells us the Punj Pyare were not selected, but came foward one by one. Also this account which you present does not show how the Punj Pyare were 'selected'. Was every fifth man in the sangat picked, what was the 'selection' based on? This account on whether the Punj Pyare were behead say nothing. This account is completely irrelevant to whether the Punj Pyare were beheaded or not. This account is relevant for the facts of what happened before and after the Punj Pyare came forward. Surely Satguru didn't consult no astrologer or brahmins before he finalized the Khalsa. Sri Waheguru/Satguru doesn't answer to anyone. Also we have Sant Baba Jarnail Singh Ji Khalsa saying Satguru asked for heads. Sant ji was taught from the school of Taksal, so this account does not at all match up with the learned Saints (Sant Baba Gurbachan Singh ji) of Sikhi on the topic of the beheading. This account is incomplete and does not prove one bit to say the Punj Pyare were not beheaded or they were.

Dear onlyfive sometimes you seem to make perfect sense and sometimes it seems like u just took a line read it and ignore what above and below it.

If you read my post 2 3 or 4 times you may notice i was replying to a "false argument" that prachin panth parkash backs up the that guru ji beheaded punj peyare. I was just copy pasting what parchin panth parkash says.

Hope you get whats the main motive of copy pasting the itehas of vaisakhi from panth parkash.