Soul Snatchers!

[VanHelsingh]

True Sants and Mahapurshs are like sons of Satguru. They have Brahm Dristi. that is why when we see them being bowed by some followers; we immediately conclude HE IS FAKE bcz we are looking at him with Chaam Dristi(Physical eyes) not by Brahm Dristi. True Sant / Mahapursh never tells anyone to bow him; Automatically Followers start bowing him bcz of his Higher Naam Avashtha;

Another Nishaani of True Sant is whenver you would sit in his sangat, Your Mann or Mind would become adol(sehaj); it will stop waivering and you would feel peac(until you sit in his sangat). You would be attracted by his glow on his face which is nothing but Naam Raas Glow on face.

You see this is what confuses me. Should we bow even to a great Sant / Mahapurash even if he is worthy of such respect?

I always think bowing should be reserved for Guru Granth Sahib Ji, no matter how amazing and honourable the Sant / Mahapurash is. I could be wrong though.

[AmarjitKaur]

jnu nwnku DUiV mMgY iqsu gurisK kI jo Awip jpY Avrh nwmu jpwvY ]2]

jan naanak dhhoorr ma(n)gai this gurasikh kee jo aap japai avareh naam japaavai ||2||

Servant Nanak begs for the dust of the feet of that GurSikh, who himself chants the Naam, and inspires others to chant it. ||2||

Guru Raam Daas Ji Raag Gauree ang 306

jn nwnk dws dws ko krIAhu myrw mUMfu swD pgw hyiT rulsI ry ]2]4]37]

jan naanak daas daas ko kareeahu maeraa moo(n)dd saadhh pagaa haet(h) rulasee rae ||2||4||37||

Make servant Nanak the slave of Your slave; let his head roll in the dust under the feet of the Holy. ||2||4||37||

Guru Arjan Dev Ji Raag Dayv Gandhaaree 536

[mohinder pal]

Thats what i Heard from one of the Great Mahapursh,

Even if you are serving/Bowing(Sewa) Fake guru/Sant thinking of him as puran sant/Mahapursh, Your sewa would not go vearth; you would be credited for the Seva performed in the Dargah. Since Akal purakh and Satguru Sache Patshahji knows(Antarjaami) that you had served him thinking He was a Puran Sant but in reality He was fake. you would not by questioned in the Dargah of Akal Purakh, Instead Fake Pakhandi would be questioned in Dargah.

This is what I heard from Naam Bandaghi vali Rooh tu:

Doing Seva of the Fake gurus.......one day you might be meeting and doing the Seva of True Satguru.

[SarabhaPanjab]

funny theories going on here...

Its not a difficult concept, nor any grey area. Guru Sahib has bless us with math and akal too, we shouldn't be naive and follow blindly.

Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji Maharaaj- Is the living Guru. Those that preach Gurbani, Practice paraatan Maryada, and Serve Khande baate the Amrit; we need to seek those individuals and keep their company.

How you respect the those that have dedicated their life to Sikhi is up to you. Peri hath, matha tek, join hands, hug, high5.. theres no rules in the game of love. How do you greet your mother? everyone has their own sharda. But In the presence of Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji, our soch and respects should be totally geared up towards maharaaj.

The tell tale signs of the Fakes.. they may well preach Gurbani in some form (mostly distorted or cherry picked) but the KEY tell tale sign is the absence of the taking Amrit, and keeping KIRPAAN.

India has pushed all resources to take the Soldier aspect away from Sikhs. All dehdaris, line them up one by one.. all have removed Kande Baate da Amrit and specifically removed the kirpan!

By keeping just a spiritual side of Sikhi. fighting 5 evils- budhists do that, yogis did that for 1000's of years.. we'd be no different to the bhamans.. and thats what India wants.. a moderated, hinduified Punjab.

We should attack in every form those that distort Gurbani, reenact or mimic our Guru Sabaans.

At the same time, respect Saadhs of other faiths who do not indulge in any beadbi