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Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

my ba, it was bhagat fareed je

PrIdw BMnI GVI svMnvI tutI nwgr lju ]

Fareed, your beautiful body shall break apart,

and the subtle thread of the breath shall be snapped.

AjrweIlu Prysqw kY Gir nwTI Aju ] 68 ]

In which house will the Messenger of Death be a guest today? (68)

PrIdw BMnI GVI svMnvI tUtI nwgr lju ]

Fareed, your beautiful body shall break apart,

and the subtle thread of the breath shall be snapped.

jo sjx Buie Bwru Qy sy ikau Awvih Aju ] 69 ]

Those friends who were a burden on the earth —,

how can they come today? (69)

PrIdw by invwjw kuiqAw eyh n BlI rIiq ]

Fareed: O faithless dog,

this is not a good way of life.

kb hI cil n AwieAw pMjy vKq msIiq ] 70 ]

You never come to the mosque for your five daily prayers. (70)

auTu PrIdw aujU swij subh invwj gujwir ]

Rise up, Fareed, and cleanse yourself;

chant your morning prayer.

jo isru sWeI nw invY so isru kip auqwir ] 71 ]

The head which does not bow to the Lord —,

chop off and remove that head. (71)

jo isru sweI nw invY so isru kIjY kWie ]

That head which does not bow to the Lord —,

what is to be done with that head?

kuMny hyiT jlweIAY bwlx sMdY Qwie ] 72 ]

Put it in the fireplace,

instead of firewood. (72)

bhula chuka maf

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

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Sorry but Kabir Jee's avastha was higher than all of us on this forum. He could say what he said. Can you? The king Sikandar Lodi tried tons of ways to get Kabir Jee killed, but each time he was saved. The mad elephant who was brought to -- him actually bowed before him. Fire couldn't burn him, water couldn't drown him, and he even survived falling from a cliff (I think). All this while his mind was fixed on God. Have you done anything like that?

it was bhagat namdev ji that faced all this, not bhagat kabir ji

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Sorry but Kabir Jee's avastha was higher than all of us on this forum. He could say what he said. Can you? The king Sikandar Lodi tried tons of ways to get Kabir Jee killed, but each time he was saved. The mad elephant who was brought to -- him actually bowed before him. Fire couldn't burn him, water couldn't drown him, and he even survived falling from a cliff (I think). All this while his mind was fixed on God. Have you done anything like that?

it was bhagat namdev ji that faced all this, not bhagat kabir ji

No I am sure it was Bhagat Kabir Jee :wub:

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I heard in a katha that Bhagat Kabir Jee also had to go through the same. In case of Bhagat Namdev Jee the elephant didn't move, whereas in case of Bhagat Kabir Jee the elephant bowed to him.

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