Darshan Of Hanuman Ji To Gursikhs

[singh154]

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[sunny_love_kirtan]

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r u out of ur mind? may be u need to get admit in a mental hospital asap. <banned word filter activated> bander

[singh154]

The funny thing is a hindu would say hanumaan is superior, a Christian would say Jesus is superior and a sikh would say that the gurus are superior. But all I said was having darshan of anyone of them is the same. What is so bad about that?

You need to relax and learn how to have a convo properly. I say see your gp and get some anti psychotics. Or do some keertan hopefully that will calm you down.

[sunny_love_kirtan]

yea kirtan for sure works for everyone.

let me tell u in clear words that for a sikh darshan of any devi devta is nothing. Darshan of sant is higher than any devi devta and even devi devte want darshan of sants. U need to check your theory of having darshan of all of them is same. this is just like saying if you love Osama Bin Laden and you get to see him and it is equal to seeing Guru. This is the most ridiculous example you gave. In one of ur post you were sayin that its the lack of education, I wonder how u even know the word education exits after reading your post.

[singh154]

Have you had darshan? Yes, you may have read books but have you experienced it? If not back away and be quiet

I bet you this if you perceive Osama bin Laden's image as to be guru jis image and if you keep on doing simran everyday and beg for guru ji's darshan. I bet you my life that you would get darshan of guru ji as Osama.

[sunny_love_kirtan]

If i have had darshans I wudnt be sitting here replying to your stupid posts. and now u taking it in completely different direction, what you said before is disrespect to guru sahib, However a hindu thinks devte are supreme and a sikh thinks guru is, this does not make devi devte equal to guru. do u get that or r u a retard?

U dnt have to bet ur precious life. I knw the fact that everything is possible with simran though i do not have any kamai and I believe in Gurbani.

[singh154]

If i have had darshans I wudnt be sitting here replying to your stupid posts.

That's your personal belief you have no way to prove it.

what you said before is disrespect to guru sahib

I understand your hurt but it's your ego getting hurt. But what you say about hanuman can be disrespectful to a hindu.

do u get that or r u a retard?

Your believes are all based on concepts you have read and none that you can say or prove to yourself. Why should I listen to you? Would Bhai sahib agree with your language of calling other retards?

i do not have any kamai and I believe in Gurbani.

Thanks for telling me but that's another reason you should not be posting on here and why I shouldn't listen to you and your 'beliefs'

Please listen to more keertan!

[sunny_love_kirtan]

satbachan

[harsharan000]

From the teachings of our Gurus and thus as stated in the Bani, there are countless planets, and universes and so are the Brahmas, Shivas or Vishnus... and the 33 crore gods. But as we can see, all of them are not of the same status. On the contrary, in the begining of Jap Ji Sahib, Guru Nanak has clearly, beautifully and with authority stated: Ik Onkar, Satnam, which means God is only one, without any more, and His name is Satnam. All these so called gods are just entities with a certain level of consciousness. All of them compared to Wahiguru Akal Purukh, are just like tiny sparks compared to the light of millions of Suns together, just to say something, because Wahiguru is much much much more. Anyhow, no amount of discussions is going to satisfy anybody, unless each one of us, goes inside and sees it by himself.

These hindu gods, are entities on a lower level, they are inside the limits of Maya and Kal. On the contrary, Wahiguru or Satnam, is beyond Kal and Maya, that is why, He is known as Akal Purukh. Take it from any point or angle, Wahiguru is the Supreme being. Namely it may sound as Wahiguru is the Lord for sikhs only, but actually, Wahiguru or Satnam, are just words to describe that Primal and Supreme being. He is a consciouss power, energy and an unlimited ocean of bliss. Words and languages can create disputes among different religions, but if each one of us, goes inside and sees it for himself, and reaches the level of consciousness called Satnam, will agree that what we tend to limit with words, and ideas is something unique and beyond description in human terms. He is Ooch Apaar Beant Swami... He is limitless.

And that power or energy reffered to, is known in our Bani as Shabad, as Nam also, for example, mentioned by Guru Amar Das in Anand Sahib. So we can see, this description of Wahiguru can pacify and make all of us equal,as no one is really superior or inferior, no names or languages are thus right or wrong. For example, let us take the planet Sun, we all know what it is, but the word Sun is in English, and the same is Sol in Spanish or Surya in Hindi.... now if different people fight saying my Sun is superior...that would be ridiculous. But if any of them look at the same time when the Sun has risen, all of them will agree, that there is only one Sun. In the same way, if we elevate our consciousness or souls in the inner spiritual realms, we shall all decalre the same properties or qualities of that Sun experienced by us, like the sunlight, the heat...etc. But unless we can get these desirable spiritual experiences, which, again are dependentant on several factors, but mainly on His grace or Daya Meher, what we can only do, is a due research,and get our own conclusions. And for that, my experience says, we should read and understand the Granth Sahib througly as well as other scriptures, and we shall see that what our Guru Sahibans, have said, are the the most beautifull, at the same time the simplest and highest truths, without any comaprison or parralell.

[singh154]

Thank you for that well written piece. Anyway lets now put experiences aside; as to have an experience there must be an object to be subjective of. You talk about elevating our consciousness, let me ask you to what level can you rise your consciousness to become fully objective?

Then do experiences matter and can they be taken as absolute also to what level is consciousness perceived as truth?

Or let's put it to simply when you are having experiences what was there that remained permanent and did not change? (As experiences are always changing)