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Bhagat Sheikh Farid used to dance in bhagati. Guru Gobind Singh gave the rehat to his Sikhs to became the kings of the world. What you will see is that there are several rehats recorded from various authors such as Bhai Desa Singh, Rehatnama Bhai Nand Lal Goya, you will find some from sau sakhis and amongst we have some fabricated rehat from Massands.

Thing is these days due to this hindu allergy developed after aryan samaj and singh sabha problem. Some people think they are muslims following shariah laws. We are not the taliban, under shariah law dancing and music is forbidden, you also have to cut mostaches and beard (when the mughals caught some singhs they cut their beards).

Under shariah law certain drums apart from one is forbidden. We use nagara and dholki for sukhasan, for battle. If you study how singhs actually fought the mughals, the allignement these are devoid of islamic means. Muslims employ various tactics to convert people one is by brainwashing them and confusing them, such as using sikhs against hindus or developping this allergy. Due to this hindu allergy loads of sikhs and reading gurbani wrong as well, changing bits taking bits out people like kala afgana and darshan singh want to get rid of dasam granth and portions of guru granth sahib.

You also translated man and mat wrong, even in santiya you use your brain. In punjabi you have several translations for brain and mind - budhi, mat, man, so forth. You will use your mat (minds intellect), man is (minds desires), man neva, mat uchi. Manmat is using that direction of intellect towards desires, if you desire to lust for muslim women you will then follow islamic ways away from guru sahib of being gurmukh and gurmat (that intellectual minds path of the guru). We are following Guru Nanaks path did he go around telling people not to dance and sing?

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Bhagat Sheikh Farid used to dance in bhagati. Guru Gobind Singh gave the rehat to his Sikhs to became the kings of the world. What you will see is that there are several rehats recorded from various a

The bold is a contradictory statements because no Sikh ever danced after becoming a Gursikh. Tell them dance is something that indulges a person into worldly attachments and takes a person further a

forget all your opinions, lets see what Gurbani says maaeiaa mohu eis manehi nachaaeae anthar kapatt dhukh paavaniaa |4| The love of Maya makes this mind dance, and the deceit within makes people s

forget all your opinions, lets see what Gurbani says :)

  • maaeiaa mohu eis manehi nachaaeae anthar kapatt dhukh paavaniaa |4| The love of Maya makes this mind dance, and the deceit within makes people suffer in pain. ||4||

  • bhagath karehi moorakh aap janaavehi |The fools perform devotional worship by showing off;
  • nach nach ttapehi bahuth dhukh paavehi | they dance and dance and jump all around, but they only suffer in terrible pain.
  • nachiai ttapiai bhagath n hoe | By dancing and jumping, devotional worship is not performed.
  • sabadh marai bhagath paaeae jan soe |3| But one who dies in the Word of the Shabad, obtains devotional worship. ||3||

  • poorae thaal jaanai saalaah |Know that the perfect beat is the Praise of the Lord;
  • hor nachanaa khuseeaa man maah |1| rehaao | other dances produce only temporary pleasure in the mind. ||1||Pause||

  • guramukh bhagath jugath sach soe | For the Gurmukh, loving devotional worship is the way to the True Lord.
  • paakhandd bhagath nirath dhukh hoe |3| But the dances and the worship of the hypocrites bring only pain. ||3||


  • nach nach hasehi chalehi sae roe | Those who dance and dance and laugh, shall weep on their ultimate departure.

I hope this has helped

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Dalbir singh Ji is spot on.

  • maaeiaa mohu eis manehi nachaaeae anthar kapatt dhukh paavaniaa |4| The love of Maya makes this mind dance, and the deceit within makes people suffer in pain. ||4|| When one is ignorant and thinks they are separate then the mind is inflicted by illusion (maya - hence the mind dancing). The ego believes it has separate thoughts and because of this individuality it has wants, desires, 5 thieves. This separateness causes people to suffer as the above tuk mentions.

  • bhagath karehi moorakh aap janaavehi |The fools perform devotional worship by showing off When one thinks 'THEY' are doing devotional worship (bhagti) then only Good Karma is established. However if one wants to be obtain sachkand (liberation) then it is only he who does bhagti. Also some take it a step further and wear bana, hold a mala, sit cross legged for hours to show they are performing devotional worship. When in fact eventually they get up from bhagti and affiliate themselves with maya again (we are all aware of this happening.) - They are fools. Also whilst doing their pakhand they are: maaeiaa mohu eis manehi nachaaeae anthar kapatt dhukh paavaniaa. Sitting cross legged their mind is wondering due to The love of Maya makes this mind dance, and the deceit within makes people suffer in pain.

  • nach nach ttapehi bahuth dhukh paavehi | they dance and dance and jump all around, but they only suffer in terrible pain.
  • nachiai ttapiai bhagath n hoe | By dancing and jumping, devotional worship is not performed.
  • Dancing here doesn't just mean actual dancing. Because like the previous tuks if one's mind is dancing in the love of maya then he/she is blind and all their actions including walking/talking/sleeping/dancing are done in Ego. When one is dictated by ego then they will suffer in pain - due to the ups and downs of life and how can their be TRUE devotional worship...

  • sabadh marai bhagath paaeae jan soe |3| But one who dies in the Word of the Shabad, obtains devotional worship. ||3||
  • poorae thaal jaanai saalaah |Know that the perfect beat is the Praise of the Lord;
  • ^Beautiful here you see one must die to the shabad. Now guru jee shows what true devotional worship is. Dying is of the ego (doership) and then true devotional worship can be done - otherwise karma will not cease to exist. So how can karma cease to exist when one sees God everywhere.. then all one can say is tuhi tuhi tuhi. wah wah.


  • hor nachanaa khuseeaa man maah |1| rehaao | other dances produce only temporary pleasure in the mind. ||1||Pause||
  • guramukh bhagath jugath sach soe | For the Gurmukh, loving devotional worship is the way to the True Lord.
  • Other dances are false practices that induce doership and anything where the mind get's temporary pleasure. If the pleasure does not last then it is false. Loving devotion as applied above for the gurmukh is giving all your ego to guru sahib.

  • paakhandd bhagath nirath dhukh hoe |3| But the dances and the worship of the hypocrites bring only pain. ||3||nach nach hasehi chalehi sae roe | Those who dance and dance and laugh, shall weep on their ultimate departure.
  • Hyocrites are the ones I mentioned above - Fools. Pain is always going to be there if ego remains. So one Can dance, do work, play sports if the ego is dropped - then every act one does is all God's- it's him playing him dancing, him working. But ones who dance, talk and sleep etc with ego shall weep on their ultimate departure.

I hope this has helped

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Lol Conshismess u 4 me wer .doin such nice explain den u took tuk n twistd 4 u argumt ! :( so on ur explain den a sikh shudnt larf evn az it fals. 2 larf. Ow bout c in dat guru say dat k dancin iz not az amazin az Simran but u aint gona burn in hell 4it? Wo u say :-)

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Summary translation of Innergear's post:

Innergear thought the Ciousness was on his/her side & were explaining well untill Ciousness took what Innergear was saying and turned it into a argument.

Innergear asking Ciousness does he/she think a Sikh shouldn't have a laugh? And that dancing isn't as amazing as Simran but Innergear thinks if you dance it's not such a crime that you'll end up burning in hell.

*that was my understanding of Innergear's post*

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Dalbir singh Ji is spot on.

  • Hyocrites are the ones I mentioned above - Fools. Pain is always going to be there if ego remains. So one Can dance, do work, play sports if the ego is dropped - then every act one does is all God's- it's him playing him dancing, him working. But ones who dance, talk and sleep etc with ego shall weep on their ultimate departure.

I hope this has helped

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Maharaj is speaking to the universe that dance (please keep the shabad in context), but more specifically to those that want to use dance as a form of worship. And please go first listen to Sant Baba Gurbachan Singh Ji Maharaj katha on this shabad before commenting on it with your minds understanding.

Awsw mhlw 1 ] (350-9)

aasaa mehlaa 1.

Aasaa, First Mehl:

vwjw miq pKwvju Bwau ] (350-9, Awsw, mÚ 1)

vaajaa mat pakhaavaj bhaa-o.

Make your intellect your instrument, and love your tambourine;

hoie An�du sdw min cwau ] (350-9, Awsw, mÚ 1)

ho-ay anand sadaa man chaa-o.

thus bliss and lasting pleasure shall be produced in your mind.

eyhw Bgiq eyho qp qwau ] (350-9, Awsw, mÚ 1)

ayhaa bhagat ayho tap taa-o.

This is devotional worship, and this is the practice of penance.

iequ rMig nwchu riK riK pwau ]1] (350-10, Awsw, mÚ 1)

it rang naachahu rakh rakh paa-o. ||1||

So dance in this love, and keep the beat with your feet. ||1||

pUry qwl jwxY swlwh ] (350-10, Awsw, mÚ 1)

pooray taal jaanai saalaah.

Know that the perfect beat is the Praise of the Lord;

horu ncxw KusIAw mn mwh ]1] rhwau ] (350-10, Awsw, mÚ 1)

hor nachnaa khusee-aa man maah. ||1|| rahaa-o.

other dances produce only temporary pleasure in the mind. ||1||Pause||

Very clearly Guru Sahib says your so called worship ("bhagti dance") dance or any other dance is false. But keep on reading as the solution is provided to how to uplift yourself from this false dance and into the virtuous lifestyle.

squ sMqoKu vjih duie qwl ] (350-11, Awsw, mÚ 1)

sat santokh vajeh du-ay taal.

Play the two cymbals of truth and contentment.

pYrI vwjw sdw inhwl ] (350-11, Awsw, mÚ 1)

pairee vaajaa sadaa nihaal.

Let your ankle bells be the lasting Vision of the Lord.

rwgu nwdu nhI dUjw Bwau ] (350-11, Awsw, mÚ 1)

raag naad nahee doojaa bhaa-o.

Let your harmony and music be the elimination of duality.

iequ rMig nwchu riK riK pwau ]2] (350-12, Awsw, mÚ 1)

it rang naachahu rakh rakh paa-o. ||2||

So dance in this love, and keep the beat with your feet. ||2||

Bau PyrI hovY mn cIiq ] (350-12, Awsw, mÚ 1)

bha-o fayree hovai man cheet.

Let the fear of God within your heart and mind be your spinning dance,

bhidAw auTidAw nIqw nIiq ] (350-12, Awsw, mÚ 1)

bahdi-aa uth-di-aa neetaa neet.

and keep up, whether sitting or standing.

Even before this Satguru tells us the mind is dancing and causing you to preform false dances (the ego), but here Satguru makes it very clear. Keep reading as Satguru tells us what the true dance is, which has nothing to do with getting up and physically dancing with the body. Dhan Dhan Satguru ji Maharaj

lytix lyit jwxY qnu suAwhu ] (350-13, Awsw, mÚ 1)

laytan layt jaanai tan su-aahu.

To roll around in the dust is to know that the body is only ashes.

iequ rMig nwchu riK riK pwau ]3] (350-13, Awsw, mÚ 1)

it rang naachahu rakh rakh paa-o. ||3||

So dance in this love, and keep the beat with your feet. ||3||

isK sBw dIiKAw kw Bwau ] (350-13, Awsw, mÚ 1)

sikh sabhaa deekhi-aa kaa bhaa-o.

Keep the company of the disciples, the students who love the teachings.

Look how beautiful this line is and how much love Satguru shows toward the Gurmukhs. Satguru will in these final tuks tells us that the true dance is to sit in the Gurmukhs sangat and turn the ego into humility. The ego is making people do the worldly dance (either for worship or reception, nightclubs, etc; for fun; mind desire; ego) and think it is okay to do. But once you enter into the sangat of the Gurmukhs, they will tell you (like this shabad does) what is making you dance and what needs to be done so you stop doing these worldly dance.

gurmuiK suxxw swcw nwau ] (350-14, Awsw, mÚ 1)

gurmukh sun-naa saachaa naa-o.

As Gurmukh, listen to the True Name.

Now ask yourself why Satguru says as Gurmukh listen to the True Name? Why didn't he say as a human or as something else? A Gurmukh is a person who has his face (mind leashed to Satguru's teachings) turned toward the Guru and will not do something which will make his face turn away from the Guru. Before this line Satguru tells us how to become Gurmukh. Satguru says go join the company of Gurmukhs and learn from them the true meaning of Shabad Guru. The Gurmukhs say don't dance because these Gurmukhs understand from Gurbani that dancing is an action that will turn their face away from the Guru. There is a word Satguru calls such people, who turn their face away from the Guru, but i won't use it as many will think i am attacking and slandering them, but i'll say im the chief of these people.

nwnk AwKxu vyrw vyr ] (350-14, Awsw, mÚ 1)

naanak aakhan vayraa vayr.

O Nanak, chant it, over and over again.

iequ rMig nwchu riK riK pYr ]4]6] (350-14, Awsw, mÚ 1)

it rang naachahu rakh rakh pair. ||4||6||

So dance in this love, and keep the beat with your feet. ||4||6|| ang 350

When a person dances, what actually is making the body dancing? IF you say Satguru, then i'm have to ask who your Satguru is. DalbirSingh provides information that Bhagat ji used to dance. Did you know Sri Guru Amar Das ji Maharaj did devi the puja before being struck with the Shabad Guru. So if DalbirSIngh wants to accept Bhagat ji dance in the past as evidence Sikhs can dance, then he should also accept devi puja as a Sikh practice. Such is the the logice of DalbirSingh.

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it amazes me how much rigourous debate goes over a simple question.

"nachan kudhan mun ka chaooo"

dancing is not a bajjar kurehit either

mind wants to dance - that is the key - what else can you do when you dance which will make you a better sikh -- nothing

dance for fitness - training - nothing wrong with it at all, i listened to music while training but over time started to lsiten to dhadii vaars while trainging now that is a must and gets you really going beyond your plataue stages in training. Hot dhadai vaars - in the olden days - kabaddi was played on dhadi vaars and also wrestling as your grandada and uncles - now that is mostly down hill.

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I dont think there anything anti-sikh about dancing. Guru's never forbad it to my knowledge. When Sikhs of the past won battles and there was celebrations i'm sure the community danced to express joy. It's a normal human activity, also the Sikhs who practise gatka/shaster vidya do a sort of what can be termed as a dance before using the weapons.

I guess its where and how you dance can be of issue, like dancing in inappropriate places or wearing certain religious garbs dont look too good, dancing under the influence of intoxicants is a no-no for a Sikh. And also dancing up real close to someone like you see in dancehall music vids is inappropriate too for a practising Sikh.

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it amazes me how much rigourous debate goes over a simple question.

"nachan kudhan mun ka chaooo"

dancing is not a bajjar kurehit either

mind wants to dance - that is the key - what else can you do when you dance which will make you a better sikh -- nothing

dance for fitness - training - nothing wrong with it at all, i listened to music while training but over time started to lsiten to dhadii vaars while trainging now that is a must and gets you really going beyond your plataue stages in training. Hot dhadai vaars - in the olden days - kabaddi was played on dhadi vaars and also wrestling as your grandada and uncles - now that is mostly down hill.

I'm not going to comment further on the dancing as that is very clear to me as what Maharaj says and the Gurmukhs confirm it, but next time when your working out listen to Sri Jaap Sahib da paat. Then watch the Chardikala come.

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Crazy are those who are saying that dancing is evil. However some members are just simply stating that it is not recommended for any 'Gursikh' to dance. In very simple words, gursikh character is that they never get too happy nor too sad, they stay at one level joined in meditation and gurmantar in their swaas. This is the natural lifestyle of a Sikh who truly follows sikhi.

It would be interesting if we can find any Mahan Sikh sant and jarnail of our khalsa panth who participated in any dancing form. To save your time, you won't find any of them dancing anytime.

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