Rehraas Sahib At Harminder Sahib

[Jonny101]

History also tells us that during the evacuation of Sri Anandpur Sahib, the saroop of Sri Dasam was lost to the river, and that Bhai Mani was requested to prepare another. Bhai Mani Singh did not aim to collect different banis of 10 th Guru and lump them together. it was to re-introduce Sri Dasam to oanth again.

So the saroop of Sri Dasam was written in stages but put together in one volume, and the panth was stronger because of that.

"Sroop"?? No, Dasam Granth sroop was not drowned in the river. The story goes like this. During the evacuation, Guru Gobind SIngh Jee's works which totaled cart loads of pothis was drowned. Bhai Mani Singh Jee years later collected what little was left of Guru Gobind Singh Jee's works and compiled it into a single granth now known as Dasam Granth. The Khalsa was unsure whether Guru jee's bani should be made into a single Granth or kept seperate pothis but when Massa Rangar was killed it was decided the Dasam Granth would remain a single Granth. It is said that during the evacuation so much Dasam Bani was lost that the current Dasam Granth is only a fraction of what was lost.

[singhgsingh]

"Sroop"?? No, Dasam Granth sroop was not drowned in the river. The story goes like this. During the evacuation, Guru Gobind SIngh Jee's works which totaled cart loads of pothis was drowned. Bhai Mani Singh Jee years later collected what little was left of Guru Gobind Singh Jee's works and compiled it into a single granth now known as Dasam Granth. The Khalsa was unsure whether Guru jee's bani should be made into a single Granth or kept seperate pothis but when Massa Rangar was killed it was decided the Dasam Granth would remain a single Granth. It is said that during the evacuation so much Dasam Bani was lost that the current Dasam Granth is only a fraction of what was lost.

Please refer to this picture:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/gaganskhalsa/6976315494/in/set-72157629546114134

This Beerh is from 1755 Bikrami, 1698 AD, one year before the creation of the Khalsa. It is currently at Takhat Sri Patna Sahib. The Bani Zafarnamaa is not included in it as it was written 6 years after this Beerh was compiled in 1704 AD.

[Jonny101]

Please refer to this picture:

http://www.flickr.co...157629546114134

This Beerh is from 1755 Bikrami, 1698 AD, one year before the creation of the Khalsa. It is currently at Takhat Sri Patna Sahib. The Bani Zafarnamaa is not included in it as it was written 6 years after this Beerh was compiled in 1704 AD.

I am aware of this beer. If such a sroop was created by some Sikh during the past how is this proof that Dasam Granth should be done prakash of? It is however a good point to show those Kala Afghanis the authenticity of Dasam Granth. Such Granths may have existed but were not the norm. If this was the norm why did Bhai Mani Singh Jee take the pains to collect Dasam Bani from all over Punjab where ever he could find It and compile it into a single volume Granth?

[RebelSingh]

"Sroop"?? No, Dasam Granth sroop was not drowned in the river. The story goes like this. During the evacuation, Guru Gobind SIngh Jee's works which totaled cart loads of pothis was drowned. Bhai Mani Singh Jee years later collected what little was left of Guru Gobind Singh Jee's works and compiled it into a single granth now known as Dasam Granth. The Khalsa was unsure whether Guru jee's bani should be made into a single Granth or kept seperate pothis but when Massa Rangar was killed it was decided the Dasam Granth would remain a single Granth. It is said that during the evacuation so much Dasam Bani was lost that the current Dasam Granth is only a fraction of what was lost.

i always thought that in the river sirsa, it was the copy of the guru granth sahib that was lost?! then Guru Gobind Singh, had 2 re-recite it again 2 a scribe (not sure who, bhai nand lal?)

[chatanga]

When you said a decision was taken by the Guru Khalsa Panth, it seems as though you were hinting towards an event that must have taken place. But seeing as though this is not the case I don't see a reason for following a man made innovation and forcing everyone else to do the same.

Bro. im not forcing you to do anything. But the fact is that the Sikhs of the 1730s took the decision collectivley in what is known as a Gurmatta which was binding on the Panth. If its good enough for the Sikhs of that era, its good enough for me. Maybe not for you.

[chatanga]

Bhai Mani Singh Jee years later collected what little was left of Guru Gobind Singh Jee's works and compiled it into a single granth now known as Dasam Granth. The Khalsa was unsure whether Guru jee's bani should be made into a single Granth or kept seperate pothis but when Massa Rangar was killed it was decided the Dasam Granth would remain a single Granth.

I am aware of this beer. If such a sroop was created by some Sikh during the past how is this proof that Dasam Granth should be done prakash of? It is however a good point to show those Kala Afghanis the authenticity of Dasam Granth. Such Granths may have existed but were not the norm. If this was the norm why did Bhai Mani Singh Jee take the pains to collect Dasam Bani from all over Punjab where ever he could find It and compile it into a single volume Granth?

So Bro, we can deduce that there was a single vol Sri Dasam Granth in 1698, so please quit this argument that Bhai Mani Singh should never have, or was the one who, put it to gether again.

secondly concerning parkash, wherever there was a saroop of Sri Dasam available it was parkased along with Sri Guru Granth Sahib, the practice of which started in the 1730s. Im sure that those Sikhs of that time, knew more about whether it was Guru mat or Man mat to do parkash of both Granths as such. If you know more than them, then bring it to the sangat.

[Jonny101]

So Bro, we can deduce that there was a single vol Sri Dasam Granth in 1698, so please quit this argument that Bhai Mani Singh should never have, or was the one who, put it to gether again.

secondly concerning parkash, wherever there was a saroop of Sri Dasam available it was parkased along with Sri Guru Granth Sahib, the practice of which started in the 1730s. Im sure that those Sikhs of that time, knew more about whether it was Guru mat or Man mat to do parkash of both Granths as such. If you know more than them, then bring it to the sangat.

So Bhai Mani Singh Jee did not collect Dasam Banis and compile it into a single Granth? and I guess the letter he wrote to Mata Sundri jee is also fake? Wow, how people like to change ithihas just to win an argument. If the Granth you are mentioning was available during the time of Bhai Mani Singh Jee it would have been under ground. Not in the open like it is now other wise why would Bhai Mani Singh Jee have gone through so much hassle to find Dasam Bani where ever he could find it years later?

As for doing prakash of Dasam Granth. Please do not force the whole panth to follow a tradition not created by Guru Gobind Singh Jee. Do you not realize the negative effect this is having on the Dasam Granth cause? This is only making the pro dasam granth side look bad. By doing prakash of Dasam Granth it looks like you are giving the Granth a "Guru status" parallel to SGGSJ. These Kala Afghanis have as a result capitalized on mottos such as "Sabh Sikhan ko Hukam Hai, Guru Manyo Granth" or "Ik Panth, Ik Granth" as if pro Dasam Granth supporters believe in two Gurus.

[Jonny101]

Bro. im not forcing you to do anything. But the fact is that the Sikhs of the 1730s took the decision collectivley in what is known as a Gurmatta which was binding on the Panth. If its good enough for the Sikhs of that era, its good enough for me. Maybe not for you.

Is there a date for such a decision to have taken place? we have dates for all the historical Gurmattas. When was this Gurmatta taken to do parkash of Dasam Granth?

[chatanga]

Is there a date for such a decision to have taken place? we have dates for all the historical Gurmattas. When was this Gurmatta taken to do parkash of Dasam Granth?

We have dates for all written Gurmattas that were issued, bearing in mind that at this time, when Dal Panth were effectivley in hiding who were they going to issue it to?

Wow, how people like to change ithihas just to win an argument.

Who is changing the itihas ? I haven't changed anything, have you?

As for doing prakash of Dasam Granth. Please do not force the whole panth to follow a tradition not created by Guru Gobind Singh Jee.

Read my post above. EIther you are not seeing it or understanding it.

[JagjeetST]

It's common sense really. Would you rather read a shortened version of the Chaupaee or the longer? I'd rather read the longer one. Why? Because the more bani you read, the better and it's still not enough!