desire to trim my beard

[sat]

We try, but at least we do. Do you, have you taken amrit! :biggrin2:

http://www.info-sikh.com/Page52Hukams.html ... please read nd tell do obey each n every hukam?

[Guest ajmeet singh]

@SNGH, veerji nose, eyes is different thing and hairs is different yes we ca definatly change our eyes nose by doing plastic surjury for e.g my teeth was not in shape so i visit a dentist he told me to do braces treatment which i did now my teeths look better than before. so every thing have their solution also.

[sukhi077]

Satsriakal everyone

I am a sikh boy,20 years old and I am a proud gursikh who has lately had an urge to trim my beard. I have been doing a lot of research on this but have not come across a reasonable argument. Why is it that me making a personal life decision of trimming my beard might move me away from my sikhi in the eyes of others. The reason why I would want to trim my beard is because I would feel more comfortable and neat. I proudly wear a turban and will always carry on wearing it with pride and honour.

Some of the reasons which I came across were that our Gurus kept their honour and many sikh men have given their lives to protect this honour. I completely agree with this and I understand we should never move away form the religion but slightly trimming the beard just to be more comfortable and make it look neat? is that not acceptable?

other reason was that we should respect how god has created us and should live in the natural form but then should we not factor in the advancements and change accordingly? if we live naturally only then is it not also wrong to get medical treatment? and so many other things we do in our daily life for instance even cutting out nails?

I am sorry if I have said something wrong but I would like to make it clear that sikhi is in my heart,trimming my beard will not change the sentiment one bit and I encourage you to counter what I have said as it will only help me take this decision.

thanks a lot

HAHAHAHAHA :lol2: Oh damn MAN .....you were ridiculous wait Let me ask you first Have you checked the rate of hypocrisy in your thoughts??? Hahaha anyone could die laughing you know.... Don't come with such useless questions which make you fool over here nothing else....LOSERRRRRRRR :lol2:

[Guest Guest]

HAHAHAHAHA :lol2: Oh damn MAN .....you were ridiculous wait Let me ask you first Have you checked the rate of hypocrisy in your thoughts??? Hahaha anyone could die laughing you know.... Don't come with such useless questions which make you fool over here nothing else....LOSERRRRRRRR :lol2:

humility. humble. compassion. respect.

these are some of the qualities a Sikh is meant to have. Calling this Singh a looser shows arrogance, disrespect, egotistical thoughts and arrogance- qualities in which a Sikh is not meant to have.

so have you checked the rate of hypocrisy in your actions?

Bhul Chuk maafee.

[Guest uwotm8]

HAHAHAHAHA :lol2: Oh damn MAN .....you were ridiculous wait Let me ask you first Have you checked the rate of hypocrisy in your thoughts??? Hahaha anyone could die laughing you know.... Don't come with such useless questions which make you fool over here nothing else....LOSERRRRRRRR :lol2:

You are an embarrassing excuse for a Sikh, the original poster deserves a lot more respect and is more of a Sikh in my eyes than you are even if he does end up trimming his beard

[username1]

if you have to trim it for your own journey do it then and only once you learn the value of it later, it will mean more when you decide you want to keep it again

[buddasingh]

Random guy you say you are a ‘boy’ 20 years old. You sound younger in your analysis and indeed somewhat boyish. The following is largely directed at those “trimmers” older than you who’ve let you down as an example. However, at you as well within a very short time. You can’t stay a boy long. It is also a critique in context of one lone voice speaking against a thousand trimmers. They have plenty of dysfunctional company to survive the critique. Keep in mind trimming is one dimension of the person. I will not write-off a brother from any walk. I consider them my family, some possibly very dear to me, albeit dysfunctional. The below can also apply to those claiming Sikhi roop yet drinking.

You speak about desires and choices. But you must consider consequences and responsibilities.

You claim to be a Sikh. You claim that legacy from Guruji’s who sacrificed everything to provide the gift of Sikhi. There is no trimmed bearded Sikhi. By displaying that as an identity in public you are directly challenging and insulting Guru Gobind Singh Ji regardless of your superficial motives. You are a walking talking fraud, clown, mockery of Sikhi and at the same time making a claim to it. You claim the badges of honor and courage, yet a lifeless mirror makes you quiver.

A critical mass of people does not legitimize something. For example, a nation of Nazis congratulating each other does not make hate OK. Just like Nazi hate is not diversity, you are not diversity. You are a psychological-self-hate portrait of our Guruji’s gift. You are a walking boorish joke. A self-hate group does more damage insidiously than a hate group. STOP MOCKING SIKHI.

You are also my bro and like me human in your failures and successes. Get battle ready, humanity needs the Sikhi within you.

[Shamshere]

Random guy you say you are a boy 20 years old. You sound younger in your analysis and indeed somewhat boyish. The following is largely directed at those trimmers older than you whove let you down as an example. However, at you as well within a very short time. You cant stay a boy long. It is also a critique in context of one lone voice speaking against a thousand trimmers. They have plenty of dysfunctional company to survive the critique. Keep in mind trimming is one dimension of the person. I will not write-off a brother from any walk. I consider them my family, some possibly very dear to me, albeit dysfunctional. The below can also apply to those claiming Sikhi roop yet drinking.

You speak about desires and choices. But you must consider consequences and responsibilities.

You claim to be a Sikh. You claim that legacy from Gurujis who sacrificed everything to provide the gift of Sikhi. There is no trimmed bearded Sikhi. By displaying that as an identity in public you are directly challenging and insulting Guru Gobind Singh Ji regardless of your superficial motives. You are a walking talking fraud, clown, mockery of Sikhi and at the same time making a claim to it. You claim the badges of honor and courage, yet a lifeless mirror makes you quiver.

A critical mass of people does not legitimize something. For example, a nation of Nazis congratulating each other does not make hate OK. Just like Nazi hate is not diversity, you are not diversity. You are a psychological-self-hate portrait of our Gurujis gift. You are a walking boorish joke. A self-hate group does more damage insidiously than a hate group. STOP MOCKING SIKHI.

You are also my bro and like me human in your failures and successes. Get battle ready, humanity needs the Sikhi within you.

Does this also apply to the Keshdhari Sikhs who don't wear a kirpan and kachera?

[buddasingh]

Does this also apply to the Keshdhari Sikhs who don't wear a kirpan and kachera?

In a nutshell, to some degree it applies to every type of Sikh. Most importantly, any analogies are for each Sikh at any stage to take upon themselves. Keshdhari Sikhs should humbly defer and say that Khalsa are the only true Sikhs and they are lacking. Yet, I would expect Khalsa in humility to be the most inclusive of all Sikhs.

However, there is a particular difference with trimming. With trimming there is a public perversion of Sikh identity. It is one thing to not adorn articles of faith. But it is completely bizarre to display ‘sikh’ kes, yet desecrate kes. It would be like claiming sikh identity in a dera while replacing the dastar with a stetson or carrying pepper spray in a sling instead of a kirpan.

The trimming practice is akin to dera leaders making a mockery by deforming Sikh practices and confusing the masses. Sikhs get outraged over the latter. However, when a flagrant perversion such as a trimmed beard arises amongst Sikhs, we rationalize tolerance due to a critical mass. It is easier to become part of the insanity than stick our neck out and say this is a perversion. We require self-determination. Yet some of us voluntarily enslave ourselves.

Please keep in mind that this is OUR collective issue created and facilitated by US. It is not a mere finger pointing exercise, otherwise we have missed the point.

[Guest gagandeep singh]

veerji panj kakar da mehtav jano fer aap samjh jaoge ki kyu jaruri hai dadi. sanu nature de nal rehna hai na ke nature nal ched khani krni chahidi hai. je is duniya to saare ped (trees) kat daiye te ki duniya chal sakegi jo kuch sanu aarti vich dasya janda hai nature baare ki oho balance ho sakda hai. aaj asi sab nature nal ched khani krn da nateja vekh rhe han. iss lye ehe rom (hair) v nature da symbol hai te sanu us nal ched khani nhi kni chahidi and most important kesh guru di mohar hai. te ehe sarrop he sanu sab to vakhra bnandi hai. rom (hair) katan nal kamjori aandi hai ehe science v mandi hai. hor hun option is yours that live with pride or live with argue.