Canadian Desi Media on Meat Eating

[Sherdil]

can you prove me wrong?

Prove you wrong, in regards to your statement that consumption of meat is an obstacle in the path to God.

To prove something, you need proof, i.e. evidence. What evidence do you want me to provide in regards to a path to God? The subject itself requires faith and logic, not evidence.

Absence of proof is not proof of absence. Thus, you can't prove me wrong either.

I will offer this to you: If humans are the highest form of incarnation, then at some point we were incarnated as an animal that ate meat. How was that meat eating animal able to move up the hierarchy and eventually attain this human form?

[sunny_love_kirtan]

You are referring to the lines by Bhagat Kabir. He was criticizing the practice of Halaal meat preparation. They slit the animal's throat and slowly let it bleed to death, while they recite a prayer from the Quran. That is why he asks " Would you slit your own throat, to have meat with your bread?"

Killing in the name of God is never a righteous action. If it was, then all butchers would be mahapurakhs, as Kabir ji has said.

Can you please provide that hukamnamma? I have never come across it.

As far as I know, Akal Takht does not prohibit meat eating. They only prohibit halaal meat (and kosher meat defacto).

bhagat kabir ji also says

ਜਉ ਸਭ ਮਹਿ ਏਕੁ ਖੁਦਾਇ ਕਹਤ ਹਉ ਤਉ ਕਿਉ ਮੁਰਗੀ ਮਾਰੈ ॥੧॥

Jo Sabh Mehi Eaek Khudhaae Kehath Ho Tho Kio Muragee Maarai ||1||

You say that the One Lord is in all, so why do you kill chickens? ||1||

Bhai Gurdas ji says:

ਮਾਸ ਖਾਨ ਗਲ ਛੁਰੀ ਦੇ ਹਾਲ ਤਿਨਾੜਾ ਕਉਣੁ ਅਲੋਆ।

Maas Khaani Gali Chhuree Day Haalu Tinaarhaa Kaounu Aloaa.

But what will be the plight of those who cutting the throat with knife eat flesh (of animal).

also

ਮਾਸੁ ਖਾਨਿ ਗਲ ਵਢਿਕੈ ਹਾਲੁ ਤਿਨਾੜਾ ਕਉਣੁ ਹੋਵਸੀ।

Maasu Khaani Gal Vaddhi Kai Haalu Tinaarhaa Kaounu Hovasee.

I think about the plight of those who cut the throat of others and eat their flesh.

Guru Arjun Dev Sahib ji Maharaj says:

ਗੈਬਾਨ ਹੈਵਾਨ ਹਰਾਮ ਕੁਸਤਨੀ ਮੁਰਦਾਰ ਬਖੋਰਾਇ ॥

Gaibaan Haivaan Haraam Kusathanee Muradhaar Bakhoraae ||

गैबान हैवान हराम कुसतनी मुरदार बखोराइ ॥

Like a goblin, or a beast, they kill and eat the forbidden carcasses of meat.

ਦਿਲ ਕਬਜ ਕਬਜਾ ਕਾਦਰੋ ਦੋਜਕ ਸਜਾਇ ॥੨॥

Dhil Kabaj Kabajaa Kaadharo Dhojak Sajaae ||2||

दिल कबज कबजा कादरो दोजक सजाइ ॥२॥

So control your urges, or else you will be seized by the Lord, and thrown into the tortures of hell. ||2||

Bhai Gurdas ji Again:

ਸੀਹ ਪਜੂਤੀ ਬਕਰੀ ਮਰਦੀ ਹੋਈ ਹੜ ਹੜ ਹਸੀ।

Seeh Pajootee Bakaree Maradee Hoee Harh Harh Hasee.

A goat was caught by a lion and while about to die, it gave out a horse­ laugh.

ਸੀਹੁ ਪੁਛੈ ਵਿਸਮਾਦੁ ਹੋਇ ਇਤੁ ਅਉਸਰ ਕਿਤੁ ਰਹਸਿ ਰਹਸੀ।

Seehu Pouchhai Visamaadu Hoi Itu Aousari Kitu Rahasi Rahasee.

।

The surprised lion asked why it was so happy at such a moment (of its death).

ਬਿਨਉ ਕਰੇਂਦੀ ਬਕਰੀ ਪੁਤ੍ਰ ਅਸਾਡੇ ਕੀਚਨਿ ਖਸੀ।

Binau Karayndee Bakaree Poutr Asaaday Keechani Khasee.

Humbly the goat replied that the testicals of our male progeny are crushed in order to castrate them.

ਅਕ ਧਤੂਰਾ ਖਾਧਿਆ ਕੁਹਿ ਕੁਹਿ ਖਲ ਉਖਲਿ ਵਿਣਸੀ।

Ak Dhatooraa Khaadhiaan Kuhi Kuhi Khal Oukhali Vinasee.

We eat only wild plants of arid regions yet our skin is peeled and pounded.

ਮਾਸੁ ਖਾਨਿ ਗਲ ਵਢਿਕੈ ਹਾਲੁ ਤਿਨਾੜਾ ਕਉਣੁ ਹੋਵਸੀ।

Maasu Khaani Gal Vaddhi Kai Haalu Tinaarhaa Kaounu Hovasee.

I think about the plight of those (like you) who cut the throat of others and eat their flesh.

ਗਰਬੁ ਗਰੀਬੀ ਦੇਹ ਖੇਹ ਖਾਜੁ ਅਖਾਜੁ ਅਕਾਜੁ ਕਰਸੀ।

Garabu Gareebee Dayh Khayh Khaaju Akhaaju Akaaju Karasee.

The body of both of the proud and the humble will become dust ultimately, but, even then the body of the arrogant (lion) is inedible and that of the humble (goat) attaims the status of edible.

ਜਗਿ ਆਇਆ ਸਭ ਕੋਇ ਮਰਸੀ ॥੧੭॥

Jagi Aaiaa Sabh Koi Marasee ॥17॥

All who came to this world have to die ultimately.

this is challenge of gurbani to all those who are like you.

[sunny_love_kirtan]

I like my meat well done, so I don't think I will be trying to eat live animals any time soon. Lol.

Mainu nah puch. Avdeh dentist nu puch lae, "Why do we have canine teeth?"

In the animal kingdom, the only animals that have canine teeth are those that eat flesh.

haha thats a ridiclous answer. I am surprised that all of sudden ur logics became so weak. you dnt need canine teeth to eat cooked meat. thats the dumbst answer i ever read lol

[jang123]

Prove you wrong, in regards to your statement that consumption of meat is an obstacle in the path to God.

To prove something, you need proof, i.e. evidence. What evidence do you want me to provide in regards to a path to God? The subject itself requires faith and logic, not evidence.

Absence of proof is not proof of absence. Thus, you can't prove me wrong either.

I will offer this to you: If humans are the highest form of incarnation, then at some point we were incarnated as an animal that ate meat. How was that meat eating animal able to move up the hierarchy and eventually attain this human form?

We are not animals and we did not evolve from other species.

I will make the question simpler: Can you name one puran Mahapursh who was used to consuming meat?

[gurdeepsinghjohal]

Can you please provide that hukamnamma? I have never come across it.

As far as I know, Akal Takht does not prohibit meat eating. They only prohibit halaal meat (and kosher meat defacto).

Actually I heard it couple of month back but in forum community- politics-news culture thread is topic about meat and a member SINGHG has provided the photocopy and its source there, I came across today. It might be showing on your screen just scroll down.

[sunny_love_kirtan]

Can you please provide that hukamnamma? I have never come across it.

As far as I know, Akal Takht does not prohibit meat eating. They only prohibit halaal meat (and kosher meat defacto).

[Sherdil]

haha thats a ridiclous answer. I am surprised that all of sudden ur logics became so weak. you dnt need canine teeth to eat cooked meat. thats the dumbst answer i ever read lol

I am dumb...please guide me. How did this meat eating creep into the human diet? Why are our bodies able to break down meat into amino acid constituents and glucose to provide energy for our bodily functions?

Why are herbivores (vegetarian animals) not able to do this?

[jang123]

I am dumb...please guide me. How did this meat eating creep into the human diet? Why are our bodies able to break down meat into amino acid constituents and glucose to provide energy for our bodily functions?

Why are herbivores (vegetarian animals) not able to do this?

Why are humans able to digest alcoholic and other toxic substances then?

[gurdeepsinghjohal]

party is getting hot.

[Sherdil]

We are not animals and we did not evolve from other species.

I will make the question simpler: Can you name one puran Mahapursh who was used to consuming meat?

We are animals and we did evolve...not from other species, but from other forms of our own species.

This taught to school-age children. It is an accepted belief held by the worldwide scientific community.