Washing Darbar Sahib Floor With Milk Is Equal To ShivJi's ** - Singh Sabha Canada

[gurdeepsinghjohal]

Writer of Twarikh Sri Amritsar and Twarikh Amritsar writes

Water is brought from Har ki Paudi and Darbar Sahib is bathed and then flour is spread.

Water was used to clean the floor but when did this Kachi lassi concept came is not clear.

[Jonny101]

@ Jonny Paji ... Bilcul kissay nay ay nayhee kay'ah kay Sikh Panth Langar da prabandh nayhee kar rayah haii laykin sirf kay assi ik "expenditure" hohr vi seva vaal lah sak'dhay ah (and Paji you have to tell me how you manage to type in Gurmukhi and what the program you have is!? :-)

Essentially the point being not that the Sikh Panth doesn't do seva - we all know that Sikh Panth does more seva in India than all the Mandirs, Masjids and Churches combined - however, nevertheless when it comes to gold, marble, construction costs on new Gurdwaray (particularly in the West), using milk for cleaning etc, etc we have to be very careful not to lose sight of our primary focus of uplifting the oppressed and downtrodden ... rather than succumbing to the same issues that the Hindu's, Muslims and Christians are guilty of - namely that the Hindu's, Muslims and Christians often look at what looks good for "dakhaavah" first ... instead of tackling statistics like the fact that 47% of children in India suffer from a degree of malnutrition as the first issue as Guru Sahib has commanded us to do.

veerji, if someone is feeling hungry they have Guru da Langar where they can eat as much as they want. No one is stopping them. ਹਾਂ, ਜੇ ਤੁਸੀਂ ਵਾਧੂ ਕੁਝ ਹੋਰ ਕਰਨਾ ਚਾਹੋ ਤਾਂ ਬੇਸ਼ਕ ਕਰੋ। ਆਪ ਕਰੋ ਤੇ ਹੋਰਨਾ ਨੂੰ ਭੀ ਕਰਵਾਉ। ਪਰ ਪਿਹਲਾਂ ਆਪ ਮਿਸਾਲ ਬਣਕੇ ਤਾ ਵਖਾਉ।

[S1ngh]

Writer of Twarikh Sri Amritsar and Twarikh Amritsar writes

Water was used to clean the floor but when did this Kachi lassi concept came is not clear.

Written by the same author as below. Are we going to trust such authors now?

In his latest writings, Dilgeer rakes up further controversy by:

� Claiming Guru Gobind Singh Ji never took Khanday-battay-da-Amrit from the Panth Piyaray, negating the concept of "ਆਪੇ ਗੁਰੁ ਚੇਲਾ".

� Dismissing the historical fact that Guru Arjan Dev Ji was were never martyred on a "ਤੱਤੀ ਤਵੀ"

� Dismissing the historical fact connected to Panjokhra Sahib regarding Sri Guru Harkrishan Sahib Ji blessing Chajju the water carrier to recite the Gita.

� Dismissing the historical fact of Guru Nanak Dev Ji's rotation of the Kabba at Mecca.

� Dismissing the historical fact of Guru Tegh Buhadur Sahib saving Makhan Shah Lubana's merchant ship from sinking.

http://www.panthic.org/articles/5168

[S1ngh]

Missionary ideology will never stop raising unnecessary stuff and diverts Kaum energy from important issues.

[gurdeepsinghjohal]

Written by the same author as below. Are we going to trust such authors now?

In his latest writings, Dilgeer rakes up further controversy by:

� Claiming Guru Gobind Singh Ji never took Khanday-battay-da-Amrit from the Panth Piyaray, negating the concept of "ਆਪੇ ਗੁਰੁ ਚੇਲਾ".

� Dismissing the historical fact that Guru Arjan Dev Ji was were never martyred on a "ਤੱਤੀ ਤਵੀ"

� Dismissing the historical fact connected to Panjokhra Sahib regarding Sri Guru Harkrishan Sahib Ji blessing Chajju the water carrier to recite the Gita.

� Dismissing the historical fact of Guru Nanak Dev Ji's rotation of the Kabba at Mecca.

� Dismissing the historical fact of Guru Tegh Buhadur Sahib saving Makhan Shah Lubana's merchant ship from sinking.

http://www.panthic.org/articles/5168

Twarikh Amritsar written by Karam Singh Historian

Twarikh Sri Amritsar written by Giani Gyan Singh.

Both Author are from pre-gurdwara reform movement.

[gurdeepsinghjohal]

Missionary ideology will never stop raising unnecessary stuff and diverts Kaum energy from important issues.

Fact is that, People when do not agree with facts starting saying missionary ideology.

The fact about Makhan Shah Labana is that he came on Diwali(October) to give his daswand.

In August Ardass of Gurship for Guru Teg Bahadur was done.

Guru Nanak Sahib "ਆਪੇ ਗੁਰੁ ਚੇਲਾ"

Well I hope Paaji you know that.

Rotation of Mecca and Panjokhra Sahib issue veerji I don't either believe leave aside Dilgeer.

Showing miracles is against Gurmat.

[Jonny101]

Fact is that, People when do not agree with facts starting saying missionary ideology.

The fact about Makhan Shah Labana is that he came on Diwali(October) to give his daswand.

In August Ardass of Gurship for Guru Teg Bahadur was done.

Guru Nanak Sahib "ਆਪੇ ਗੁਰੁ ਚੇਲਾ"

Well I hope Paaji you know that.

Rotation of Mecca and Panjokhra Sahib issue veerji I don't either believe leave aside Dilgeer.

Showing miracles is against Gurmat.

Do you also believe as Dilgeer that Panja Sahib saakhi did not happen?

The Makkah rotation Saakhi is mentioned by non other than Bhai Gurdas Jee. I have more faith in Bhai Gurdas Ji than in dilgir. Even Bhagat Naamdev Jee's jeevani there is Saakhi of a Mandhir that was rotated and is mentioned in Gurbani. In Bhagat Kabir Jee's bani there are mentions of miracles occurring Makhan Shah Lubana saakhi cannot be dismissed because of a date issue. Historically dates have been written wrongly in primary sources as well. Guru Ji is the master of Akaali Shaktis. He can use them as he pleases.

[gurdeepsinghjohal]

Do you also believe as Dilgeer that Panja Sahib saakhi did not happen?

Dilgeer Does not deny Panja Sahib sakhi.

He is a historian and have resources to differentiate between truth and myth.

[Jonny101]

Dilgeer Does not deny Panja Sahib sakhi.

He is a historian and have resources to differentiate between truth and myth.

In that case, he is denying a credible source like Bhai Gurdas Jee which mentions Makkah rotating. He does deny Panja Sahib saakhi. I heard him say it in a recorded interview about 2 years ago. Panja Sahib there is physical proof of that miracle occuring, the big rock till date has the imprint of Sri Guru Nanak Dev Jee's hand. I have met Pakistani Muslims who also believe the Panja Sahib Saakhi occured. Seems like we have non Sikhs who have more faith in Panja Sahib Saakhi than Kala Afghanists.

[gurdeepsinghjohal]

In that case, he is denying a credible source like Bhai Gurdas Jee which mentions Makkah rotating. He does deny Panja Sahib saakhi. I heard him say it in a recorded interview about 2 years ago. Panja Sahib there is physical proof of that miracle occuring, the big rock till date has the imprint of Sri Guru Nanak Dev Jee's hand. I have met Pakistani Muslims who also believe the Panja Sahib Saakhi occured. Seems like we have non Sikhs who have more faith in Panja Sahib Saakhi than Kala Afghanists.

You are entitled to your views, Dilgeer has his own and I have my own view.

People who believe in Bipar ideology will believe in miracles.

ਕੋਈ ਮੁਗਲੁ ਨ ਹੋਆ ਅੰਧਾ ਕਿਨੈ ਨ ਪਰਚਾ ਲਾਇਆ ॥੪॥

Koee Mugal N Hoaa Andhhaa Kinai N Parachaa Laaeiaa ||4||

कोई मुगलु न होआ अंधा किनै न परचा लाइआ ॥४॥

None of the Mugals went blind, and no one performed any miracle. ||4||

At time of Babar People claimed that they will make enemy army blind.

This incident is in the above Tuk.

And veerji if you go by believing then christian and muslime believe in Adam and eve, what can we make of it.