Punjabi Bhangra Songs Are Becoming More Sikh Revolutionary?

[SikhWorldTv]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aPWfRAbR6I

[simran721]

Why does the singer need to reference the caste? Individual castes weren't out their fighting for independence.

[Singh559]

Why does the singer need to reference the caste? Individual castes weren't out their fighting for independence.

A Jatt is a farmer.

[simran721]

A Jatt is a farmer.

Still it is very misleading. It was Sikhs that went out for independence, not just 'Jatt'.

[luckysingh99]

Listen to the song, whether he says jatt or not doesn't matter- he's not bragging about his caste.

The jatt is the hard working outdoor farmer that gets involved in disputes whilst taking care of his land.

I don't see this as a typical jatt song like 'put jattan de'futr

And finally, - Bhagat Singh and Uddam singh were both jatts that gives singers some boost in singing jatt songs. We shouldn't get offended by this fact.

If they can inspire us and future generations then you know we won't remember them for being jatts but more for being Punjabi and what they did.

[isingh1699]

Guru Nanak Dev Ji was also a framer but he was not Jatt

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The biggest misconception regarding the term "Jatt" is defining it as a "Caste" as per the standards set by the Indian Caste System. Nothing can be a bigger misnomer as this misconception. The fact of Jatt as a Tribe has been discussed in detail in other articles. Here are some negations and rebuttals to the false claim that Jatt is a so called "Caste":

1) ETHNIC NATURE: If you look at the Nature of a "Caste", you will notice that its spread throughout India. Eg Caste consists of professions divided into four Categories called Varnas. The Caste System, in its present form, is further based solely upon birth. Thus, as per Caste Rules, Farmer Profession is categorized under Vaisya Category (Varna). And Remember that as per Caste SYSTEM in its present form, this is to be based upon Birth i.e. Farmer's son MUST ONLY be Farmer if Caste System has to be maintained. This point will further be used as a rebuttal in proving how Jatt is not a Caste. Now talking about Ethnicity, you will notice that Caste is not Ethnic in nature at all. Eg a Priest living in North of India will belong to the Brahmin Caste and a Priest living in South of India will also belong to the Brahmin Caste. THERE IS NO ETHNIC SIMILARITY HERE. In the same way, NOTE VERY CAREFULLY that a Farmer in North India will be a Vaish and a Farmer of South of India will also be a Vaish. This Logic leads us to conclude that IF Jatt is a Caste (assuming the proposition that Jatts are Farmers) then Jatts must also be Present uniformly throughout India, (just like Brahmins) the land where Caste System is present. But observation tells us that Jatts are only present in Punjab, Haryana and parts of Uttar Pardesh. This gives an Ethnic Nature to Jatt Identity strongly proving the case that assumption "Jatt means Farmer" is false and thereby further concluding assumption that Jatt is a Caste is False too.

2) RACE PRESENCE: It should be noted that this discussion is yet not concerned with Historical viewpoint and raciological and archaeological study of Jatt History. It's just about rebuttals to how Jatt is not a "Caste". What it is then, is a matter of study that will be made in further papers. Caste is present in different Races. Eg Priestly Caste Brahmins are present in South Indian Dravidian Race as well as in North Indian Races. If its assumed that Jatt is a caste, why then are there no Jatts in, lets say, Dravidian Races? Again, the Ethnic Nature Rebuttal further strengthens this point and further helps this rebuttal in making yet another point in how Jatt is not a Caste.

3) FUNDAMENTALS OF CASTES: All the fundamentals, rules and regulations of Castes are goverened by Religious Law Books such as Manusmriti written by a man called Manu. All of these books are part of Hinduism, written by Hindu Mystics. Two thirds of Jatt Community does not follow Hinduism and thereby Manusmriti, that defines and regulates the basic backbone of Caste System holds no relevance for this two thirds of Jatt Community who are not Hindus but are Jatts.

4) PROFESSIONAL NATURE OF CASTES: Castes are professional by nature. E.g. The Brahmin caste belongs to priestly profession. Though Caste System further makes it a compulsion to make it based upon birth. But Jatts can be found in just any profession: Business, Politics, Sports and so on.

5) CASTE-EXCOMMUNICATION: This is yet another important point. As a punitive measure, the Caste of a person can be degraded if some pre-defined rules are not set e.g. a person who is a Brahmin can be degraded to a Shudra Caste and so on. Thus Caste follows the rule of Ex-Communication. But a Jatt born among the Jatts can, under no condition, be ex-communicated. Good or Evil, a Jatt shall always remain a Jatt.

[LegalSingh]

And finally, - Bhagat Singh and Uddam singh were both jatts

Not that it matters, because it really doesn't, but Udham Singh was a Kamboj, not a jatt.

[POODNA]

Non of this matters. Caste or not, the truth is the use of such worlds fragments and divides Sikhs. Guru Gobind Singh brought us together as the Khalsa panth. Indeed the adoption of Singh or Kaur was necessary for all. If only we had dropped the use of traditional surnames (as per Guru Ji's vision), this would be such an issue today.

Guru Nanak Dev Ji was also a framer but he was not Jatt

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The biggest misconception regarding the term "Jatt" is defining it as a "Caste" as per the standards set by the Indian Caste System. Nothing can be a bigger misnomer as this misconception. The fact of Jatt as a Tribe has been discussed in detail in other articles. Here are some negations and rebuttals to the false claim that Jatt is a so called "Caste":

1) ETHNIC NATURE: If you look at the Nature of a "Caste", you will notice that its spread throughout India. Eg Caste consists of professions divided into four Categories called Varnas. The Caste System, in its present form, is further based solely upon birth. Thus, as per Caste Rules, Farmer Profession is categorized under Vaisya Category (Varna). And Remember that as per Caste SYSTEM in its present form, this is to be based upon Birth i.e. Farmer's son MUST ONLY be Farmer if Caste System has to be maintained. This point will further be used as a rebuttal in proving how Jatt is not a Caste. Now talking about Ethnicity, you will notice that Caste is not Ethnic in nature at all. Eg a Priest living in North of India will belong to the Brahmin Caste and a Priest living in South of India will also belong to the Brahmin Caste. THERE IS NO ETHNIC SIMILARITY HERE. In the same way, NOTE VERY CAREFULLY that a Farmer in North India will be a Vaish and a Farmer of South of India will also be a Vaish. This Logic leads us to conclude that IF Jatt is a Caste (assuming the proposition that Jatts are Farmers) then Jatts must also be Present uniformly throughout India, (just like Brahmins) the land where Caste System is present. But observation tells us that Jatts are only present in Punjab, Haryana and parts of Uttar Pardesh. This gives an Ethnic Nature to Jatt Identity strongly proving the case that assumption "Jatt means Farmer" is false and thereby further concluding assumption that Jatt is a Caste is False too.

2) RACE PRESENCE: It should be noted that this discussion is yet not concerned with Historical viewpoint and raciological and archaeological study of Jatt History. It's just about rebuttals to how Jatt is not a "Caste". What it is then, is a matter of study that will be made in further papers. Caste is present in different Races. Eg Priestly Caste Brahmins are present in South Indian Dravidian Race as well as in North Indian Races. If its assumed that Jatt is a caste, why then are there no Jatts in, lets say, Dravidian Races? Again, the Ethnic Nature Rebuttal further strengthens this point and further helps this rebuttal in making yet another point in how Jatt is not a Caste.

3) FUNDAMENTALS OF CASTES: All the fundamentals, rules and regulations of Castes are goverened by Religious Law Books such as Manusmriti written by a man called Manu. All of these books are part of Hinduism, written by Hindu Mystics. Two thirds of Jatt Community does not follow Hinduism and thereby Manusmriti, that defines and regulates the basic backbone of Caste System holds no relevance for this two thirds of Jatt Community who are not Hindus but are Jatts.

4) PROFESSIONAL NATURE OF CASTES: Castes are professional by nature. E.g. The Brahmin caste belongs to priestly profession. Though Caste System further makes it a compulsion to make it based upon birth. But Jatts can be found in just any profession: Business, Politics, Sports and so on.

5) CASTE-EXCOMMUNICATION: This is yet another important point. As a punitive measure, the Caste of a person can be degraded if some pre-defined rules are not set e.g. a person who is a Brahmin can be degraded to a Shudra Caste and so on. Thus Caste follows the rule of Ex-Communication. But a Jatt born among the Jatts can, under no condition, be ex-communicated. Good or Evil, a Jatt shall always remain a Jatt.

[isingh1699]

Non of this matters. Caste or not, the truth is the use of such worlds fragments and divides Sikhs. Guru Gobind Singh brought us together as the Khalsa panth. Indeed the adoption of Singh or Kaur was necessary for all. If only we had dropped the use of traditional surnames (as per Guru Ji's vision), this would be such an issue today.

I agree with u bro. People that believe in caste are not Sikh. The singer is dumb to use the word for one tribe out of many tribes that follow Sikhi. Most Jatts are Muslim anyway

[singh1986]

In response to Isingh1699... I have heard the arguments you posted before whereby Jatts are tribes and not castes even heard race! And yet it has been proven several times that "Jatts" are not a separate tribe or race by testing genes... should there ever have been a Jatt tribe/race it don't exist now as genetically you could not differentiate between a Chamar/Jatt/Ramgharia or whatever! Unless I see some proper scientific study otherwise that argument in bogus.

In addition, just because the name Jatt exists only in North West India doesn't mean its a tribe... otherwise Mochi people in Gujarat or Maher people in Sindh or any other smaller castes could claim the same... which is precisely why research into caste by any academic always mentions Jatt as a caste not as a tribe or a race... this has certainly been the case for the past 500+ years... should you provide any published research to the contrary I would be interested to read it.