Suraj Parkash Granth On Beheading Of Punj Pyare?

[Jivan76]

Bhaiji's

I have seen the entire video that has been (mis)quoted and can assure anyone who has not seen it that Sant Jarnail Singh Ji does or never had said anything against Sri Gurpratap Suraj Granth.

The quote in question clears the situation regarding the beheading of our Panj Piarrai by stating that they were indeed beheaded and anyone with any doubts should find the evidence of where and from whom and for how much money was the supposed goats acquired. Sant Ji then demands that noone should consider the beheading phoney as that would be outright denying the magic of Sri Dasam Pitta's Khalsa Revelation and would be accusing him of being a pakhandi, which will not be tolerated.

AT NO TIME IN THIS VIDEO OR ANYTIME IN HIS LIFE DID SHAHEED SANT JARNAIL SINGH KHALSA BHINDRA'WALE SPEAK AGAINST SRI GURPRATAP SURAJ GRANTH!!!!!!!!!!!

To even suggest such a thing is preposterous.

Rewriting history by this poster has shown us all that some people will see and hear only what they want to fit their (NAZI) particular agenda.........Stop trying to out Sikhi everyone and realise that learning is not simply from reading but by comprehending and keeping an open mind when interacting with the world around us!!!

Past posts along with the tone and derogatory content of them has now proven beyond doubt that this child has alot to learn, Satkar of fellow students would be a start.

Maybe, apologise and move on??

[GPS]

As mentioned above, Suraj Prakas is a respected Granth fo the Sikhs. Since it was written it has been used to narrate the stories of Guru Jee. But as mentioned above, some parts of it were added. It would be wrong to cast doubt on the whole granth because of some parts like throwing the baby with the bath water. One must read Suraj Prakash with the touch stone of Gurbani and accept those parts with are in accordance with Gurbani.

Johny ji

Problem here is lying also >For example jaspreet posted video shot of Bhindrewale saying in that Sant ji

is discounting story of panj piaras.I watched that shot in entirety.Did not find anything like that. I asked

for clarification and still no clarification.

[jaspreet1]

Havent read carefully all but it seems you havent read even a bit of it. Read page 204, stz 15:

"Keitak hutey door sun dhaye

Sri Gujri Dhig Jaye Sunaye

Gur ki Budh Biprjay

Kharag Sang Katey Singh Doye"

There goes your claim in shatters

Read the whole episode written by Kavi Santokh Singh ji. He says in the above part that people in the sangat thought Guru Gobind Singh ji cut the heads of the Punj Pyare, but in REALITY Guru ji cut the heads of a goat.

Send a private message to one of the people who liked the post i quoted of yours above and tell them to be honest with you on what Kavi Santokh Singh ji said. Or go ask a Gursikh you trust that has knowledge and then see what he says. All of them know that Kavi Santokh Singh ji said Guru Sahib actually cut a goats head and made it look like he cut the Punj Pyare head. But they (these members) won't admit it here so send private messages and they will open up like a book to you.

[MokhamSingh]

Read the whole episode written by Kavi Santokh Singh ji. He says in the above part that people in the sangat thought Guru Gobind Singh ji cut the heads of the Punj Pyare, but in REALITY Guru ji cut the heads of a goat.

Send a private message to one of the people who liked the post i quoted of yours above and tell them to be honest with you on what Kavi Santokh Singh ji said. Or go ask a Gursikh you trust that has knowledge and then see what he says. All of them know that Kavi Santokh Singh ji said Guru Sahib actually cut a goats head and made it look like he cut the Punj Pyare head. But they (these members) won't admit it here so send private messages and they will open up like a book to you.

The story of goats is written in the Granth; this story is NOT written by Kavi Santokh Singh. The Granth contains a few adulterations, which Santokh Singh did not get the chance to rectify.

Waheguru....

[WaljinderSingh]

Read the whole episode written by Kavi Santokh Singh ji. He says in the above part that people in the sangat thought Guru Gobind Singh ji cut the heads of the Punj Pyare, but in REALITY Guru ji cut the heads of a goat.

Send a private message to one of the people who liked the post i quoted of yours above and tell them to be honest with you on what Kavi Santokh Singh ji said. Or go ask a Gursikh you trust that has knowledge and then see what he says. All of them know that Kavi Santokh Singh ji said Guru Sahib actually cut a goats head and made it look like he cut the Punj Pyare head. But they (these members) won't admit it here so send private messages and they will open up like a book to you.

Try put the whole episode in here and explain it in layman's language what those stanzas mean. You seem to claim that kaviji wrote that Guru ji asked heads of pyaras but cut goats heads instead which implies Guru ji lied???

How dare you claim that kaviji would call SatGuruji a liar??

[GPS]

Read the whole episode written by Kavi Santokh Singh ji. He says in the above part that people in the sangat thought Guru Gobind Singh ji cut the heads of the Punj Pyare, but in REALITY Guru ji cut the heads of a goat.

Send a private message to one of the people who liked the post i quoted of yours above and tell them to be honest with you on what Kavi Santokh Singh ji said. Or go ask a Gursikh you trust that has knowledge and then see what he says. All of them know that Kavi Santokh Singh ji said Guru Sahib actually cut a goats head and made it look like he cut the Punj Pyare head. But they (these members) won't admit it here so send private messages and they will open up like a book to you.

You posted a video saying Sant ji said so about suraj parkash.WE are asking you where is that in that video.

It is not there.It amounts to misinformation.You should address that instead of ignoring it.

[GPS]

The story of goats is written in the Granth; this story is NOT written by Kavi Santokh Singh. The Granth contains a few adulterations, which Santokh Singh did not get the chance to rectify.

Waheguru....

Important thing to keep in mind is that Guru ji gave a call for heads and at each prompt his sikhs came forward

to offer their head.First sikh came and he was taken to tent.Other four followed too.

THat is the main point to keep in mind.

[jaspreet1]

The story of goats is written in the Granth; this story is NOT written by Kavi Santokh Singh. The Granth contains a few adulterations, which Santokh Singh did not get the chance to rectify.

Waheguru....

Thank you brother for being honest unlike the rest of them here. Also one benti can you also tell brother Waljinder Singh ji as well what you just told me above. Maybe privately message him about this matter. He says i am lying about it.

[N30S1NGH]

Here is my 2 cent analysis on whats going on-

Op(orginal poster) have rigid views regarding suchum and jhoot. Op felt his beleifs are being challenged or rejected by puratan sakhi of bhai jodh ji in soraj parkash granth in other thread.

So what does op do?

He rejects sakhi all together instead of contexualizing it whilst still maintaning spontaneous level of bibek like many sant khalsa mahapursh have done.

Then he goes two steps further- create this thread- insinuating more doubts on soraj parkash granth instead of really addressing issue within - failing to contextualize things, failing to see things in stages, failing to rise above from One dimensional thought process, failing to clear his preconceived notions within, failing to rise above from black and white mindset.

In fact, missionary bhausarias follow same sort of ridiculous rigid black and white mindset and do khandan mandan of everything which does not fit in their one dimensional thought process

On fair note, i do think ops need help it does appear his one leg is in missionary khandan mandan mindset and but luckily other leg is still in gurmat. So we still have hope to save our fellow brother.

Hopefully, op can contact senior gurmukhs to seek help. In fact, all of us who are in learning path should be open to learning from our senior gursikh vidvaans and clear any doubts we may have instead of missionary khandan mandan k nee reaction type approach.

[jaspreet1]

You posted a video saying Sant ji said so about suraj parkash.WE are asking you where is that in that video.

It is not there.It amounts to misinformation.You should address that instead of ignoring it.

I did not want to address this question till someone from the 'other side' would speak honestly and tell in their own words that Bhai Santokh Singh ji actually said Guru ji cut the head of a goat and made it look like Guru ji cut the heads of the Punj Pyare. And brother Mokham Singh ji came out and spoke honestly. I knew you, n30 or jivan76 would never do it.

For me to answer your question, I need you to tell me exactly what Sant Jarnail Singh ji Khalsa is saying on the Punj Pyare event in the video I posted. Without this I cannot answer your question because I feel like I am discussing with a Muslim when I discuss with you. Not because you are a Muslim, but because you act like a Muslim who changes like the wind where ever it serves his purpose to prove others wrong. You may or may not be offended by this, but I am being completely honest with you here. I wish we could discuss like Mokham Singh ji and I are, but you are not like him.