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History’S Baggage: Pakistan’S Punjab Problem


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It's painful to read but there is truth in this:

We are successors not to the Sikhs but the British. Lahore today – its Mall, its old buildings, its seats of authority, the best of its schools and colleges, the best of its hospitals, the Secretariat, the police chief’s office, the assembly building, the high court – is a reminder not of our Sikh but our British past. The settlement of land, the demarcation of tehsil and district boundaries, qanungo and patwar circles, even thana jurisdictions (many of them) are a reflection of that past.

The British administration has really changed the world works, how capitalism, schools, institutions, businesses work and operate based of the old east indian tea company model plus infrastructure and transport is all British made.

Sikhs can do well in India's punjab and go more further than Pakistan's can if we apply ourselves properly.

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Interesting read, but he indirectly also says the Sikh rule was also inferior to the British.

Well written and agree with him with most of it.

Islamically it will be, Sikhs after all are in a different category of kaffirs to christians are. Sikhs come under the category of either being a sect of hindus hence idol worshiper who need to be slayed, people who made a new religion which is preaching under shariah hence must be slayed or even more seriously followers of the anti christ devil with magic and must be slayed. Dhimmis rulings have specific class measurements a Shia would rank higher than a Christian and Christian would be more higher than a Sikh. A sikh can be equal, less, or more than a hindu at times. Based of seeing hinduism as a lost ancient tradition which was identical to islam and sikhs constructed a sect to make war on islam. Some view Sikhi as a convierbelt of monotheism an easy model to deliver monotheism to hindus and disbelief in their dieties allowing muslims then to make easy work of the conversion to introduce the prophethood of muhammad. Or equal in the sense of both being very abstract to the absolute truth hence they must be absolute falsehood collectively.

Where as christians are mislead true followers of jesus who didn't get the whole picture of jesus not actually being crucified and prophecising muhammad. And muhammad in some of his chapters has exempt christians from great scrutiny at times. However culturally and ancestry wise we are closer to pakistani's but for them their religious identity is more important than their national or cultural identity. British rule was more just than any islamic rule such as the mughals or lodhis has ever been and it was much more fair. Sikhs prospered very high in british rule and Sikhs were rewarded very well for their loyalty.

Another problem when looking at sikhs and british ruling patterns is how much attention the british put to education than sikhs did perhaps we can argue the british destroyed all signs of previous institutions of sikhs and libraries but it seems from oral history we can't track that much down either. Another thing was Sikhs didn't master the art of diplomacy very well to the aid of their nation and the infighting was more destructive than constructive as we can find in the times of the guru had been. Sikhs infighting had lead sikhs to developing their skills as warriors and tactionists.

Not to mention Ranjit Singh was one eyed muhammad foretold that the antichrist will be one eyed hence many muslims kill children who are born with one eyed for medical reasons aswell. Hence the fear of an anti christ demon ruling was scarier than a british nation who bared the symbol of christ on their flag. Ruling through a monarch who is also head of their own church.

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There's a Singh from California doing his PhD at Oxford University working on his thesis. At the Sri Dasam Granth Seminar he mentioned there is at least one eyewitness account from a Dutch individual who said each official in the pind (i forgot who exactly - you can check the video) was ordered to collect all written material and they had it burnt.

The grounds I disagree with the author of this essay is that he did not account for this. Yes, there was much work to have been done, but eventually the Sikh Raaj would have adopted a similar society building algorithm/formula as the British because all succesful civilizations have a Universal order that makes one more successful than the other. I think the explanation to the British being more successful is their extensive record keeping, unparalleled focus on small detail, well trained diplomats, intelligence gathering, planning and using chalaaki to subdue an enemy.

Sikh Empire was still new and was being established, if it had gone on it would have become a big problem in the future. Even without the British there may have been many problems.

Who knows though, this is just my semi-educated guess.

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Interesting read, but he indirectly also says the Sikh rule was also inferior to the British.

Well written and agree with him with most of it.

The Sikh state was still in it's infancy when it was absorbed into British India. At the time when the sovereign Sikhs state existed, it was better off than the rest of India. People from all over India would come to Punjab to find employment. This was before the industrial age. So had we gone into the Industrial age perhaps our people might have replicated the success of Japan which also transformed itself from a feudal society into an advanced industrial nation rivaling the west. At the time the Sikh army was just as disciplined as any of the best European armies. When the British had gifted the Sikhs one cannon, the Sikhs did reverse engineering and replicated that cannon and made it better than the original. The Brits were just lucky Maharaja Ranjit Singh and Sardar Hari Singh Nalwa died early.

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The Sikh state was still in it's infancy when it was absorbed into British India. At the time when the sovereign Sikhs state existed, it was better off than the rest of India. People from all over India would come to Punjab to find employment. This was before the industrial age. So had we gone into the Industrial age perhaps our people might have replicated the success of Japan which also transformed itself from a feudal society into an advanced industrial nation rivaling the west. At the time the Sikh army was just as disciplined as any of the best European armies. When the British had gifted the Sikhs one cannon, the Sikhs did reverse engineering and replicated that cannon and made it better than the original. The Brits were just lucky Maharaja Ranjit Singh and Sardar Hari Singh Nalwa died early.

Yep, our mathematics, science and engineering were quite advanced. The civilization was forming and many people from France, USA, Britain and general Europe went to the Sikh empire to get a piece of what it was turning into.

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Few things first the Sikh empire did not lose the wars, it lost due to treachery.

Also if you study the manufacture of consent, you must understand what the author is really writing:

I.e a Punjabi diatribe, written by someone most likely a Punjabi or Pathan who is subtly ruled or controlled by mujahir i.e today's dogras.

Sikhs are a united Punjabi tribe (in one sense) and are a bigger tribe than any singular Punjabi tribe. Many in West Punjab see them as the natural rulers of Punjab as well, and have no problems with this or that.

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The whole muslim aspect someone talked about, while theologically correct is far too cynical. For one reason, because most anyone but a maulvi will know nothing about it.

Look to the fact that Punjabi Muslims fought with the Khalsa, not against it.

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Anyway, Punjab's sun will rise agian and soon and it will b e over both sides. Just watch and see that,

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The Pakistan government's actions of allowing Sikhs no visa to visit sites accross the border, ZIA Ul Haq airlifting Sikhs out of Waziristan etc. show that just as in Sindh Hindu Muslim lived properly in Punjab Muslim Sikh did too. Outside of the political regime, or do you think when Singhs were moving house to house, they somehow found the houses of the few thousand Sikhs out of millions of Punjabis 100% of the time?

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