Common Miss Conceptions Of Mugfuls, Mongols, Genghis Khan

[Big_Tera 1,126]

I having been reading up on Mughal and Mongol History and found it quite extraordinary and very interesting as I uncovered many misconceptions about the Mongol and Mughal empires and their origins.

First of all the Mughals of India did not all originate from Iran or turkey. They came from a mixture of countries such as Afghanistan, Turkmenistan and Mongolia, most astonishingly most of the leaders of the Mughals where in fact direct descendants of Genghis Khan who were originally Buddhist or other Chinese religions of that period and not Muslim and came from the Mongolia. The first Mughal Emperor of India was Babur who was Ghengis Khans’s Grandson.

The word Mughal is a mispronunciation of the word Mongol and many people mistakenly called the Mongols, Mughals and the name just stuck ever since. In fact Mughal and Mongols is the same people. The early people of India mispronounced the word Mongol thinking they meant Mughal.

The Mongols where the most ferocious empire to ever rule and exist, under their leader Genghis Khan. Another mistake that people often make is thinking that Genghis Khan was a Muslim. This cannot be further from the truth. The word Khan originates in Mongolia. Khan means ruler and the name was adopted by Middle Eastern Muslims from the Mongolian empire who were not Muslim and never where.

In fact the biggest massacre ever carried out against Islam and Muslims was committed by Genghis Khan. Genghis Khan nearly wiped out Islam from the face of planet during his attack on caliphate of Bagdad. He systematical slaughtered every Muslim in Baghdad, burnt down Islamic libraries and mosques and all Islamic heritage in an attack that lasted 10 days. At the time Bagdad was the centre of the Islamic word. This is where all their precious Islamic manuscripts and religious art and books were kept. And was also the most powerful Islamic base with thousands of muslim armies protecting it.

The great Genghis believed in freedom of religion and was very tolerant of other faiths and practices. But at the time of his attack on Muslims, who ruled in Bagdad and nearby areas, were killing non-Muslims and treating them very badly. Genghis Firstly asked the Muslims to stop their hostile treatment of non-Muslims and surrender. When the Muslim leaders of Bagdad refused and carried on with their forced conversions and ill treatment of Non-Muslims. Genghis then unleashed the most devastating attack the Islamic world has ever seen in the history of Islam. He set about to wipe Islam of the face of the planet. This was not just a skirmish to see who was boss. He systematically went about with the aim of destroying every single trace of Islam. Genghis Khan hated Islam and what it stood for. No one has since come close to attacking Islam as Genghis achieved. This is why every Muslim hates Genghis Khan.

If you would like proof of this just Google Genghis and Bagdad.

The Mongols then ruled over Bagdad but some of the Mongols such as Genghis Khans grandson converted to Islam from their own will. But I’m sure Genghis would not have been happy about that. These rulers then then invaded India and where succefull because of their Mongol heritage fighting skills and empire. To cut a long story short the Mongols invaded the Middle East and after butchering most of the muslims. But along the way some of their influential leaders converted to Islam and slowly started to adopt to islam. They went to ruling Muslim countries to slowly becoming Muslim themselves. This is why many Mughal emperors physically resemble mongols ie Chinese looking.

Not all Mongols converted to Islam just mainly their leaders who had very good fighting skills from the Mongolian empire. They then went and invaded India and that’s why they were so successful due to their Mongol heritage leaders and armies. After this the Midlle eastern Muslims adopted Khan as their name from the Mongolians. Khan itself is not and Islamic word.

Here is a link of information on of Genghis attack on Bagdhad

http://lostislamichistory.com/mongols/

Here is a video posted by a Muslim on the attack by Genghis Khan on the Islamic world

This is a short BBC Documentary on Ghenghis

[sikhiseeker 258]

Nice post, also genghis khans real name was Temujin! the old film about genghis khan is a good watch!

[Big_Tera 1,126]

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Thanks

But I have to make some corrections to my original post as I have only recently read up on Mongols History.

The Mughals of India where mostly of Turkish origin and were not Mongols . Babur was also not Genghis’s grandson, he was a distant descendant of his. Hope that has cleared some issues up.

Although some Mongols who invaded the Middle East did settle there after ruling these areas. But not in huge number as Mongols didn't usually settle in places they ruled for long as they would usually just decimate the places they attacked then leave.This has also to do with the fact that Mongols did not really go to far into the Islamic empire as they were very far from their homeland in Mongolia. But the places they could reach were all annihilated. Hence not Many Mongols actually settled in the Middle East.

The Mongols were also very family orientated and religious people and liked the environment they lived in. They practiced a religion called shamanism and also Buddhism. But In the empire they never imposed any religion on anyone and even built places of worship for the different religions of the people that were in their empire.

[innergear 35]

This is so interestin to me. I used to h8 'pakis' but they wer just the victims of the mongols . We shud feel sorry for them as they wer forced into slaveryo

[Singh559 2,644]

Pure gold, thanks for sharing paji!

Love history

[sikhiseeker 258]

This is so interestin to me. I used to h8 'pakis' but they wer just the victims of the mongols . We shud feel sorry for them as they wer forced into slaveryo

Yes it is very interesting, but please Sikha do not use racist terms as we all know how we would feel if we saw someone using racist term to Sikhs on Muslim sites? So please represent sikhi at all times. Also at that point of history, there would of been no Pakistanis as Pakistan was made in 1947.

[gurdssingh 113]

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Thanks

But I have to make some corrections to my original post as I have only recently read up on Mongols History.

The Mughals of India where mostly of Turkish origin and were not Mongols . Babur was also not Genghis’s grandson, he was a distant descendant of his. Hope that has cleared some issues up.

Although some Mongols who invaded the Middle East did settle there after ruling these areas. But not in huge number as Mongols didn't usually settle in places they ruled for long as they would usually just decimate the places they attacked then leave.This has also to do with the fact that Mongols did not really go to far into the Islamic empire as they were very far from their homeland in Mongolia. But the places they could reach were all annihilated. Hence not Many Mongols actually settled in the Middle East.

The Mongols were also very family orientated and religious people and liked the environment they lived in. They practiced a religion called shamanism and also Buddhism. But In the empire they never imposed any religion on anyone and even built places of worship for the different religions of the people that were in their empire.

Just to clarify in Sikh history the word Turk refers to mussalman, but specifically to people of Turkmen decent and not Turkish descent. So the people of Central Asia is the word Mughal or Turk refers too. NOT Turkish from Turkey but Turk from Turkmen areas.

[Jonny101 4,374]

Babar lineage: from his Daadke he is descended from Timur Lane and from his Naanke he is descended from Chingiz Khan. That's a deadly combination.

[Big_Tera 1,126]

This is so interestin to me. I used to h8 'pakis' but they wer just the victims of the mongols . We shud feel sorry for them as they wer forced into slaveryo

After reading up on the history Of the Mongols and the Mughals it has made me look at the whole Arabic Mughals in a completely different light and yes also Muslims from the sub continent. I first saw the Mughals as completely an Islamic origins of people, who did not have any struggles of their own to contend with. But what the Mongols did to them was very cruel an barbaric.Having said that they were also not up to any good themselves and in fact they started the feud with the mongols in the first place which is what ignited the Mongol v Persia Conflict. Genghis Khan sent a a group of envoys to Persia as he wanted to do trade with the Arabs. But the Arab leader executed the whole envoy as he thought they were spies. This resulted in a revenge attack on Baghdad. Genghis destroyed in only 2 weeks, 500 years of Islamic works, books and knowledge which has been lost forever.This was stored in libraries and is something that Islam can never get back.

It seems that the Mughals of India where the descendants of the Mongols.However there seems to be some doubt if they where fully pure Mongols. Whats seems to be the case is that they where watered down Mongols who inter-married with the native Muslims. This is due to the Mongols only being small in number relative to the countries they ruled over. They have been attributed to being able to defeat armies much greater then theirs by their horse riding ability and to fire arrows on the horses while travelling at full speed.They were also very skilled with their bows and arrows and had excellent military tactics which made them so successful.

Most of the Mongols became Muslims after conquering Persia and Islamic countries. These are the ones that stayed behind after conquering then they assimilated to the culture of perisa and Islam. The other countries of the mongol empire such as in Russia, china, poland ect remained their original religion Buddism or Sharmanism. So most Mongols retained their faith except for the ones that conquered Persia and stayed behind.

This just shows that the Arabs where not as good as we thought they were and that if it wasn't for the help of some of their mongol ancestors they probably would not have been so successful at invading India. They had the help of certain Mongols who must have passed down knowledge of military warfare.

All in all this just shows that even the Arabs with the help of some their stray Mongol ancestors could not defeat Sikhs!

I am 100% certain that the original Mongols would also be no match for Sikhs in a fair Battle against each other. This is proven as the mongols and Arabs together with their combined knowledge of warfare and tactics could not defeat Sikhism.The Mongol empire existed in the 13th century and the Sikh empire existed in the 18th century.

[Jangal Da 151]

Their history is very interesting and fascinating.

Mongols first came into history when the Chinese writers first made reference to them ~600AD. By their own legend (they were Shamanic in religion originally) they were descended from a blue wolf. Their first leader was Budantsar, whose successors ruled over much of Central Asia.

At the end of the 1100s AD a Mongol tribal confederation was led by Temujin just north of the Great Wall of China. In 1204 he crushed one of the other dominant Mongol confederacies - the Keraits. In 1206 he took the title Jahengiz Khan (Genghis Khan).

Up to this point the Mongols had been tributaries to the Chinese Emperor and in 1211 Jahengiz Khan stopped paying further tribute. Jahangiz Khan then went on to raid China. In addition the Turks of Khiva and Georgia were crushed, Southern Russia was raided, Bokhara, Samarkand and Khorasan were taken. In Afghanistan, Herat was taken and to the East the trans-Indus region of Western Punjab was taken. In effect he created the largest empire that the world had yet known.

Jahengiz Khan died in 1227 and his empire was left to his four sons who expanded further into China, Europe, Russia and Poland. The most powerful confederation of the Turks - the Seljuks were made tributaries. The European expansion was halted by the Czechs. This empire was eventually mainly divided amongst one of Jahangiz Khan's three grandsons, from his son Tuli. These were Mangu, Kublai and Hulaya. On Mangu's death Kublai (1260-1294) concentrated on the Mongolian lands and further east into China. Hulaya concentrated on the southern parts of Central Asia, Northern India and the Persian lands.

It was Hulaya (grandson of Jahangiz Khan) who attacked the Baghdad Abbasid Caliphate. The Caliphate was waning as the centre of Islam, as other centres like Cairo were becoming more prominent and Islamic Scholars elsewhere such as Delhi were seen as more renowned. However it housed the treasures of the then Islamic world in terms of culture, medicine, arts, literature and learning. Hulaya attacked Baghdad on the basis that the Caliphate refused to support him against subduing a Persian tribe. The city was destroyed, libraries burnt and people massacred. Afterwards he proceeded to Syria and Palestine, but was stopped at that point by the Mamelukes. He was bloody tyrant and his attack of Baghdad in 1258 brought to an end to the golden age of Islam.

By the mid 1300s this empire had all fragmented. Central Asia was pocketed with various confederacies and independent chiefs of Mongol-Turk origin. The chief families of both races were fairly intermixed by now. The culture was distinctly Persian and the language they spoke was heavily influenced by Persian. At this stage many of the chiefs had converted to Islam.

In 1395 Timur became a self established king of Samarkand. He was an Islamic zealot and favoured Shia Islam. He forged an empire that included two major neighbouring confederacies of Mongols, Northern India, Afghanistan, Iran and Georgia and defeated the great Turkish Sultan Bajazet and thus taking his borders upto Europe. He died in 1405 and his empire quickly fragmented with the Turks retaking all of their territories in the west and the other territories were divided up. His descendants eventually ended up with just Samarkand alone. It is from Timur that the subsequent Mughals of India were descended. Timur was more of Turk blood than Mongol and therefore could never take the title of Khan. The Mughals of India after Humayun had their bloodlines mixed through marriages with Hindu Rajput and Persian women.

[Big_Tera 1,126]

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Before i even read up on the histories of the Mughals and found out about the mughals having Mongolian ancestors. I always thought the Mughals emperors did not look like typical Arabs. But they looked slightly Chinese from their eyes and beards. If you notice Chinese all have very short type of beard due to their genetics.

Yep it is fascinating how people of Chinese/Mongolian origin and also Russian as they ruled Russia also, somehow ended up invading places so far away from their home country. Not only that but invading and ruling other countries with such a different culture then their own such as the Persian Empire.It has to be noted that the Mongols could cover 50 miles in one day on their horses so I guess they could reach places like the middle east quite quickly. Mongolia to Middle east is only about 2000 miles away so covering that distance is relatively quick. What is also astonishing is that after suffering from exhaustion due to traveling to these far away places they still had the energy to fight and win battles.

Before I read this history I never really paid much attention to Mongols or Genghis Khan as I presumed that they never came to India or to the middle east and kept themselves to themselves. And I had no idea that they ruled the Arab countries with such ease or that the Mongol empire was so huge.

I do not think that we should praise the Mongols as they murdered so many innocent people to further their empire. I think what the Mongols show though is it doesn't matter how small in number you are. If you are organised, unified and disciplined you can achieve a great deal above your potential.The mongols at the time where only 1 to 2 million yet they ruled an empire with over 100 million people in it.

[MMichal 0]

"Hulaya ...was stopped at that point by the Mamelukes". Small correction Berke Khan, son of Jochi, was the one who stopped Hulaya.

He stopped him from destroying Mecca, Medina and Jerusalem.