More Beneficial - Gurmantar Or Kirtan?

[Guest Noisy singh]

Someone said to me that the ultimate message of gurbani is to meditate on naam and that the general jist was har ka naam thiayo

He also said that a gursikh doing simran is untouchable (i.e gursikh who does a life time of kirtan (who understands it too)) will not match a gursikh doing a lifetime of gurmantar.). Is this true? Should I give up kirtan and mool mantra jaap if so?

Thank you

[Jaggaa 101]

Why would you give up keertan? All of Gurbani is Gurus Mantar. There is no comparison between different parts of Gurbani. If you find you can enjoy keertan more, do keertan. If you can do both, do both.

[sikhiseeker 254]

Someone said to me that the ultimate message of gurbani is to meditate on naam and that the general jist was har ka naam thiayo

He also said that a gursikh doing simran is untouchable (i.e gursikh who does a life time of kirtan (who understands it too)) will not match a gursikh doing a lifetime of gurmantar.). Is this true? Should I give up kirtan and mool mantra jaap if so?

Thank you

Dear brother,

I encourage you to do gurmantar as I encourage you to do Kirtan, also do not forget that service of people in need, is the service of akal purakh, you can sit in a room and jap naam many many times for hours, but you could also spend that free time helping the community where help is needed, holding naam in your mind at the same time, putting the message of Kirtan into practice, sharing sikhi with others in the actions you do!

WJKK WJKF

[Guest Noisy Singh]

Thank you for your replies

Surely one must be more beneficial than the other? Why is he saying so if not?

Thanks

[singhbj singh 1,338]

Someone said to me that the ultimate message of gurbani is to meditate on naam and that the general jist was har ka naam thiayo

He also said that a gursikh doing simran is untouchable (i.e gursikh who does a life time of kirtan (who understands it too)) will not match a gursikh doing a lifetime of gurmantar.). Is this true? Should I give up kirtan and mool mantra jaap if so?

Thank you

Why are you listening to others, a Sikh must only seek guidance from Guru.

Start doing Sehaj Paath of Sri Guru Granth Sahib jeeo preferably online.

This is to ensure you understand Gurbani with the help of translations or Veechaar.

Have faith in Satguru, the true enlighter.

Read today's Veechaar of Hukumnama - Darbar Sahib (11th Feb)

http://www.sgpc.net/hukumnama/index.asp

There is no difference between Naam and Gurbani.

[ssinghuk 113]

Thats not good advice that you received.

Its like trying to compare the shaheedee of Bhai Matee Daas to Bhai Satee Daas (GurSikhs who gave shaheedee with 9th PaatShaah). One of the GurSikhs had his mind imbued with Satnaam Waheguroo jaap while the other with Sri Japjee Sahib.

All Bhai Manj did was sewa but in end SatGuru gave him such blessings that we can't imagine.

Whether its reading Gurbani, keertan, katha or even sewa there a number of qualities that you need if you want the full benefit:

Sharda - faith
Bavna - love
Nirmarta - humility
Ekagarta- focus/concentration/one mindedness
Saavdaan- attention/perseverance

These all come, ultimately with Guru's kirpa, but you just keep on going with whatever you are doing.

[Wicked Warrior 202]

Maybe everyone is affected differently but I found kirtan and singing shabads far more powerful than doing reciting bani or doing simran. When I had the time to do it, I would regularly sing 2-3 shabads a day - sometimes with the baja, and sometimes in my mind. I was more focused when doing kirtan than with simran. I also found that even singing JapJi Sahib was more fruitful than just reciting it.

If shabad kirtan was no good, then why did Satguru Nanak use this method to spread his message?

[singh598 471]

naam is more suuksham than keertan therefore start from keertan and progress to naam

[sikhiseeker 254]

Thats not good advice that you received.

Its like trying to compare the shaheedee of Bhai Matee Daas to Bhai Satee Daas (GurSikhs who gave shaheedee with 9th PaatShaah). One of the GurSikhs had his mind imbued with Satnaam Waheguroo jaap while the other with Sri Japjee Sahib.

All Bhai Manj did was sewa but in end SatGuru gave him such blessings that we can't imagine.

Whether its reading Gurbani, keertan, katha or even sewa there a number of qualities that you need if you want the full benefit:

Sharda - faith

Bavna - love

Nirmarta - humility

Ekagarta- focus/concentration/one mindedness

Saavdaan- attention/perseverance

These all come, ultimately with Guru's kirpa, but you just keep on going with whatever you are doing.

Absolutely right sir- totally agree with you !

[puneetkaur 187]

yea keep singing...n if you have sangat of gursikhs who do the same, its a blessing

[Guest Noisy Singh]

Thank you for the responses - I like the Bhai Manj example.

It seems that this is a grey are. Most responses conflict with the below.

Perhaps the definition of naam includes gurmantar/moolmantar/kirtan. But gur mantra is the Nam given during Amrit sanchiaar which suggests it is the supreme one.

Difficult one - will stick with doing kirtan.

naam is more suuksham than keertan therefore start from keertan and progress to naam

[BritishSingh 96]

From doing kirtan you will do naam simran. Gurbani will tell u to so naam simran. So keep doing both.