Virat Kohli

[Big_Tera 1,121]

Is the Indian Cricket star batsmen Virat Kohli Sikh? Ive heard alot of Hindus trying to make out that Virat is a Hindu.

But from his last name and the fact he wears a Kara seems like he is infact Sikh and not Hindu.

[Jonny101 4,299]

Kohlis are Punjabi Khatris. So they can be Sikh or Hindu.

[Mehtab Singh 3,899]

Virat Kohli was born on 5 November 1988 in Delhi to Prem and Saroj Kohli.[11] He has an elder brother, Vikash, and an elder sister, Bhavna.[12] Kohli attended school at Vishal Bharti and Savier Convent. His father, Prem, worked as a lawyer and died in December 2006.[11] Little is known of Kohli's personal life.[13]

- Wikipedia

Virat Kohli is Punjabi Hindu. Manmohan Singh is also a Kohli but Sikh. The way I've understood Punjabi surnames, the ones that are common between Sikhs and Hindus are mostly Khatris, called as "Bhappe" if they are Sikhs. These include names like Bawa, Arora, Chadha, Ghawri, Khurana, Kohli etc. The ones that are common between Muslims and Sikhs can usually be Jatts perhaps, such as Virk, Sandhu, Cheema, Varraich, etc.

Just an observation. Correct me if wrong.

[panthicunity 229]

Hindus are mostly Khatris, called as "Bhappe" if they are Sikhs

So veerji by this logic all gurus were Bhappes - as far as i know bhapa is a very derogatory, mocking term. So on a sikh site we should avoid these kinds of words - much the same way N word is considered uncouth in west.

[Mehtab Singh 3,899]

I am not using it in any insulting way, just stating a fact, the way they are referred in mainstream Sikh community.

[sikhiseeker 254]

I am not using it in any insulting way, just stating a fact, the way they are referred in mainstream Sikh community.

WJKK WJKF

The caste affiliation terms like "bhappe", "jat" or "chamar" should have no place within sikhi albeit mainstream sikhi. If mainstream sikhi uses these terms and it is generally accepted, I would differ with mainstream sikhi, as the people who deem it to be right are actually wrong.

WJKK WJKF

So veerji by this logic all gurus were Bhappes - as far as i know bhapa is a very derogatory, mocking term. So on a sikh site we should avoid these kinds of words - much the same way N word is considered uncouth in west.

WJKK WJKF

I agree with your point totally, when oh when are the caste affiliations gona go right?

WJKK WJKF

[Singh, Mahan 237]

How the word 'Bhapa' came to be used for Sikh refugees

There are many dialects of Punjabi ( The Punjabi University lists 12 dialects) spoken in different regions of Punjab (both in Pakistani and Indian Punjab) and parts of what are now in Hmachal Pradesh and Haryana. . Word ‘Bhapa’ is used in some parts of Pakistani Punjab and the use was more common among the Hindus and Sikhs especially in Pothohar region (Pothohar region is around Rawalpindi – Islamabad of Pakistan). It means brother or respected person older than yourself. The word was sometimes also used for father. Most of Sikhs ( Brothers) native to areas in Northern and North Western part of Pakistani Punjab are from Khatri background. During the Partition when they came to eastern part of Punjab as refugees, the people here stared to call them Bhape- ( to both -the Hindus and Sikh refugees – not just the Sikh refugees). With time the word started to be used in a different sense. It is not an original name of khatri Sikhs - nor it is nick name of Khatri caste – ( Gurus were not Bhape - Ref: post # 4 ). This word “Bhape” /Bhapa became associated with the refugees (both Hindus and Sikh) after the Partition (1947).

Punjabis seem to have the habit of changing the sense of word for “brother”. Here are a few examples.

1. Word ‘Bai’ (bai ji – as Pamma Bai) is the word used for elder brother in Malwa region. A very respectable word. However if a young man goes the Doaba or Majha region and some one calls him Bai, he is liable to take offence because in these regions the word “Bai” takes the sense of a tough young man from Malwa – a bad brother (equivalent to word Dada as used in Bollywood films)
2. Word 'Bhau' is a very respectable word for elder brothers in Majha. But if someone from Majha goes to Doaba , Malwa or other regions , and someone calls him Bhau, he is not going to like it. Again in other regions it is used as slang for dangerous tough guy from Majha.

3. In Hindi speaking area of Northern India (Such as U.P and Bihar) the word commonly used for brother in respect or for a kind person is Bhiyya.. In Punjab, the word is synonymous with the migrants from those areas

[sikhiseeker 254]

How the word 'Bhapa' came to be used for Sikh refugees

There are many dialects of Punjabi ( The Punjabi University lists 12 dialects) spoken in different regions of Punjab (both in Pakistani and Indian Punjab) and parts of what are now in Hmachal Pradesh and Haryana. . Word Bhapa is used in some parts of Pakistani Punjab and the use was more common among the Hindus and Sikhs especially in Pothohar region (Pothohar region is around Rawalpindi Islamabad of Pakistan). It means brother or respected person older than yourself. The word was sometimes also used for father. Most of Sikhs ( Brothers) native to areas in Northern and North Western part of Pakistani Punjab are from Khatri background. During the Partition when they came to eastern part of Punjab as refugees, the people here stared to call them Bhape- ( to both -the Hindus and Sikh refugees not just the Sikh refugees). With time the word started to be used in a different sense. It is not an original name of khatri Sikhs - nor it is nick name of Khatri caste ( Gurus were not Bhape). This word Bhape /Bhapa became associated with the refugees (both Hindus and Sikh) after the Partition (1947).

Punjabis seem to have the habit of changing the sense of word for brother. Here are a few examples.

• Word Bai (bai ji as Pamma Bai) is the word used for elder brother in Malwa region. A very respectable word. However if a young man goes the Doaba or Majha region and some one calls him Bai, he is liable to take offence because in these regions the word Bai takes the sense of a tough young man from Malwa a bad brother (equivalent to word Dada as used in Bollywood films)
• Word 'Bhau' is a very respectable word for elder brothers in Majha. But if someone from Majha goes to Doaba , Malwa or other regions , and someone calls him Bhau, he is not going to like it. Again in other regions it is used as slang for dangerous tough guy from Majha.

3. In Hindi speaking area of Northern India (Such as U.P and Bihar) the word commonly used for brother in respect or for a kind person is Bhiyya.. In Punjab, the word is synonymous with the migrants from those areas

WJKK WJKF,

Dear Mahaan Singh,

All of the above is fine for the history of how, where and in what context the term"bhappe" has been used however at present, it is used as a affiliation with caste for the majority of panjabi's. Just like how jatt is termed for a person in the occupation of farming, it is now affiliated with caste.

Wr should not take pride in caste affiliation.

WJKK WJKF

[Singh, Mahan 237]

WJKK WJKF,

Dear Mahaan Singh,

All of the above is fine for the history of how, where and in what context the term"bhappe" has been used however at present, it is used as a affiliation with caste for the majority of panjabi's. Just like how jatt is termed for a person in the occupation of farming, it is now affiliated with caste.

Wr should not take pride in caste affiliation.

WJKK WJKF

Wr should not take pride in caste affiliation.

Yes, I agree

[Mehtab Singh 3,899]

when oh when are the caste affiliations gona go right?

tu hukam kar veere kal svair tak thhaaaahh bol jaani ehdi te

Wr should not take pride in caste affiliation.

nah jee nah asi te maan naal kaheeda ki asi bhand hunne aa

[sikhiseeker 254]

tu hukam kar veere kal svair tak thhaaaahh bol jaani ehdi te

nah jee nah asi te maan naal kaheeda ki asi bhand hunne aa

WJKK WJKF

I am not quite sure what you have written. Please correspond back in English.

Thankyou

WJKK WJKF

[Mehtab Singh 3,899]

[S1ngh 1,714]

sikhiseeker, bhaji tuhanu thodi hi kehhchal karni chahidi punjabi sikhan teh. Attay meh eh vi soch rakhda ki punjabi bolni/likhni/sunani/parne eeh jaat paat vallay issuean taun jaeda important haegi. meh tuhaday viccharran nal poora sehmat haegaan but lagda tusi kuj jaeda apni energy ik passay laga rahay ho.. chalo koe nah, saab raab deh bannday apnay kaman karajaan teh lagay neh..

[Mehtab Singh 3,899]

hahahahahahahaha...badi der laahti yaar, ihda te suaad vi mukk challeya si...

[sikhiseeker 254]

sikhiseeker, bhaji tuhanu thodi hi kehhchal karni chahidi punjabi sikhan teh. Attay meh eh vi soch rakhda ki punjabi bolni/likhni/sunani/parne eeh jaat paat vallay issuean taun jaeda important haegi. meh tuhaday viccharran nal poora sehmat haegaan but lagda tusi kuj jaeda apni energy ik passay laga rahay ho.. chalo koe nah, saab raab deh bannday apnay kaman karajaan teh lagay neh..

WJKK WJKF

Not every sikh is panjabi speaking or panjabi born. Their are many sikhs born around the world. Also punjabi bolni/likhni/sunani/parne in my view is not as important as the jaat paat issue, this is the sole issue which holds sikhi back. I am still awaiting your response to the topic on bhangra artsits who promote caste, maybe they like you think caste is not such an important issue commanding " jaeda" importance as you stated. Also I find it extremely gobsmacking how a fellow sikh is trying to ridicule another fellow sikh on thier passion for sikhi and the issues affecting sikhi.

Learning the sikh principles is fundematal to becoming a sikh first. Panjabi is a language. Sikhi is a way of life. Do you think guru nanak spoke panjabi in Baghdad or China and told them to learn panjabi before the principles and tenets of sikhi?

So please again as I stated refrain from patronising me as we are all sikhs here. The reason why I ask for replies to be written in English is so that all non panjabi speaking or reading people can benefit from reading and engaging in posts made.

WJKK WJKF