The Secret Power Of Abstinence

[Mehtab Singh]

Its not permitted in Sikhi, fullstop.

Other than that, I can't stop laughing at this thread, wondering we're really discussing all this, an entire thread talking about ______ LOL, never mind :giggle: :giggle: :giggle:

[Jonny101]

The reason why Muslims are good at luring women is because the road side romeo character is romanticized in their culture while in our culture such a person is considered a vagabond and a ਵਿਹਲੜ੍ਹ with too much free time on his hand. That's why all the famous aashiks are Muslims such as Qais(Majnoon), Ranjha, Mirza etc. All of their poetry, sheyers are about romance. In our culture we give more importance to working hard for your family and giving them a comfortable life instead of engaging in useless ਵਿਹਲੜ੍ਹ activity. That's why statistically Sikhs are the most successful immigrant group in the UK. And in India Sikhs are universally acknowledged as a successful minority who are well respected and admired by all.

While abstinence(NOT circumcision) does have it's advantages but the real reason why our women are becoming promiscuous is because we have done a terrible job in imparting Gurmat Sanskars to them since childhood. In our race to become successful we fail to give them what matters most i.e. Sikhi. Our children should all be nitnemi by age 10. I doubt a girl who does her Nitnem daily will be easily lured by any Khan or Abdul even if he looks like a bollywood actor.

[Big_Tera]

To summarize and explain the main points in layman terms, for those who have difficulty understanding basics concepts such as Jsinghz. or those who would rather form their own biased opinion and disregard proven clinical scientific studies such as the (Daily mail article)

Circumcision was invented and practiced to stop people from engaging in self-gratification. That was the main purpose behind it. It was not done for religious or cultural reasons but a way curing people who were addicted to this act. I have posted articles of why it was done as proof of this. This act is addictive as other drugs. There is for the past 20 years been a huge rise and epidemic in sexual addiction due to the Internet especially among the youth.

When one does this act he gets a huge release of brain chemicals such as Dopamine. You get the same high when you take heroin or cocaine. Hence why it is a classed as an addiction in medical terms.

So back to the topic the aim was to remove the most pleasure giving part of the organ the foreskin. The foreskin is the most sensitive part of the organ.

The aim of circumcision?

1) Make organ less sensitive

2) Make act more difficult to do

3) Make sexual release less pleasurable

4) To prevent Self gratification( But mostly likely reduce frequency by making it less pleasurable)

Was circumcision successful in stopping people from doing self-gratification??

Yes it was very effective, the pleasure from sexual release is greatly reduced and sensitivity is greatly lowered. Now because of this people are less likely to become addicted to it and do it less often. The stronger and more pleasurable an act is the more the person will do this act. This is simple logic .If you make the act less pleasurable people will do it less and you will unlikely to become addicted. Are there any Muslims who still do it excessively. Well yes there are still who do it excessively. But they are the exception the overall majority of them do it less as it is simply a lot less pleasurable activity.

So just because something has maybe achieved its purpose does not mean it is the right thing to do. To cure excessive sexual desire/gratification you can’t take any short cuts. You just have to be mentally strong to do it. As I mentioned in my previous post to stop someone sniffing cocaine you don’t just chop his nose off. Yes it will stop him from sniffing the cocaine. But he will have no nose left and a bunch of other problems. Which is what Circumcisions essentially is.

Now let’s look at the side effects of circumcision.

Muslims/Jews and all countries that practice circumcision throughout the world are the highest consumers of Viagra .. They also report much higher level of other sexual dysfunctions. This is due to them have lost much sexual function when becoming circumcised. Is anyone disagreeing with this fact? Are they disagreeing with the news articles?

So Jsinghz what part are you failing to understand???

1) Circumcision was practiced to stop excessive self-gratification. This is proven.

2) Did it work? yes

3) what about about side effects of this practice?

Muslims have a much higher degree of homosexuality in their community country also. Pakistan tops the world with its people searching for homosexual pornography online. Not just in Pakistan but in most Muslim countries this is the case.

All these issues with abnormal sexual problems are proven to arise from circumcision. They also are into homosexual behavior. This also arises from circumcision. You mess with the sexual organ and you’re going to get sexual side effects.

This is all proven the news articles I have posted.

[Big_Tera]

Here is the proof staring you in the face. What more do you want.

Why was Circumcision Practiced?

http://en.wikipedia....mcision#Origins

http://www.moralogou...male-sexuality/

http://www.cirp.org/pages/whycirc.html

What problems arise from being circumcised?

http://www.dailymail...-sensitive.html

http://www.thewholen...ile-dysfunction

Self-gratification is completely harmless if not done excessively. The problem in the last 20 years is that males are doing this act excessively due to the internet.

Now people who in engage in this activity less will find they are generally more powerful. Anyone can have this power you just have to do this less often. Muslims use this power to lure girls away.

Muslims have this power to a certain degree but at what price? Well you can see in the articles I have posted, the price they pay.

[jkvlondon]

To summarize and explain the points of the thread for those who have difficulty understanding basics concepts such as Jsinghz. Or those who would rather form their own biased opinion and disregard proven clinical scientific studies such as the (Daily mail article)

I would take the authority of ANY daily mail article with sat seer loon ...the are the most illiterate people of a bad bunch

Circumcision was invented and practiced to stop people from engaging in self-gratification. That was the main purpose behind it. It was not done for religious or cultural reasons but a way curing people who were addicted to this act. I have posted articles of why it was done as proof of this.This act is addictive as other drugs. There is for the past 20 years been a huge rise and epidemic in sexual addiction due to the Internet.

So was Kelloggs corn flakes ...but both failed .....moving on

When one does this act he gets a huge release of brain chemicals such as dopamine. You get the same high when you take heroin or cocaine. Hence why it is a classed as an addiction in medical terms.

So back to the topic the aim was to remove the most pleasure giving part of the organ the foreskin. The foreskin is the most sensitive part of the organ.

The aim of circumcision?

1) Make organ less sensitive

2) Make act more difficult to do

3) Make sexual release less pleasurable

Was circumcision successful in stopping people from doing self-gratification??

Yes it was very effective, the pleasure from sexual release is greatly reduced and sensitivity is greatly lowered. Now because of this people are less likely to become addicted to it and do it less often. The stronger and more pleasurable an act is the more the person will do this act. This is simple logic .If you make the act less pleasurable people will do it less and you will unlikely to become addicted. Are there any Muslims who still do it excessively. Well yes there are still who do it excessively. But they are the exception the overall majority of them do it less as it is simply a lot less pleasurable activity.

NO it never has been proven ...it has been social mores and cultural/religious hatred of the act that has curbed its rise until the advent of freely available pornography on the internet

So just because something has maybe achieved its purpose does not mean it is the right thing to do. To cure excessive sexual desire/gratification you can’t take any short cuts. You just have to be mentally strong to do it. As I mentioned in my previous post to stop someone sniffing cocaine you don’t just chop his nose off. Yes it will stop him from sniffing the cocaine. But he will have no nose left and a bunch of other problems. Which is what Circumcisions essentially is.

WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM US ???? I WILL NOT SAY IT'S OK TO POST THESE WORDS OF WAFFLE cos you want someone to stoke your ego..stop wasting time SIkhs know how and why to control Kaam through Naam abhiaas, sewa and kirtan if you think you have come up with the new theory of how to be success via nonparticipation in Kaam you are many many thousands of years too late .

[Big_Tera]

jkvlondon have you actually read any of the scientific studies that are contained in the articles I have posted? To prove what I have written is correct?? Or would you rather ignore those articles?

If you have I would recommend you at least read the articles I have posted then form an opinion.

Read these completely unbiased news articles

http://www.dailymail...-sensitive.html

http://www.thewholen...ile-dysfunction

[jkvlondon]

jkvlondon have you actually read any of the scientific studies that are contained in the articles I have posted? To prove what I have written is correct?? Or would you rather ignore those articles?

If you have I would recommend you at least read the articles I have posted then form an opinion.

I will try to explain in simple language , it is not true because it is propaganda of circumcisionists, I know that it is not true that the three points for it you claim fail because my husband was born in America in a Jewish hospital and his parents fell for the it's more hygienic line ... He remains angry about it despite the passage of time .

OK? he knows others too and it is not as is claimed , it is an inconvenience, it is traumatic and unnecessary

[Big_Tera]

jkvlondon Im not sure I get what you mean. You are against circumcision but you believe the new articles and the scientific studies which point out the negative effects of circumcision are also wrong?? I believe the news articles are a 100% correct and I think most people would to. Especially as it it a UK Newspaper with a genuine study and not like some hearsay evidence. These were real people who participated in the study who were circumcised. So to say this is all false is quite astonishing.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2279166/Circumcision-DOES-reduce-sexual-pleasure-making-manhood-sensitive.html#ixzz3Hpvo7R7O
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Circumcision DOES reduce sexual pleasure by making manhood less sensitive

· Men who had foreskin removed reporting feeling less intense sexual pleasure

· 75% of men in US and 6% in UK have circumcision for non-religious reasons

· NHS don't routinely perform them saying risks outweigh benefits

Men who are circumcised are in for some bad news - it puts them at a disadvantage in the bedroom, according to experts.

A study found those who've had their foreskin removed as children or adults experience less intense sexual pleasure and orgasm than their peers.

'We're not saying less sexual activity or satisfaction, but sensitivity,' senior author Dr Piet Hoebeke, from Ghent University Hospital, said.

The practice is common in the U.S, with three-quarters of men having the procedure for non-religious reasons. However, it is rare in the UK, with a rate of just six per cent, according to World Health Organisation figures.

Some religions, such as Judaism and Islam, consider circumcision part of religious practice.

British doctors say that although it can reduce the risk of some types of infection the risks associated with routine circumcision outweigh any potential benefits.

The latest study surveyed 1,369 men over the age of 18, who responded to leaflets handed out in train stations across Belgium.

The men were asked whether they were circumcised, and were then asked to rate how sensitive their was, how intense their orgasms were and whether they experience any pain or numbness when they are aroused.

Overall, 310 men who took the survey were circumcised, and 1,059 were not. Each rated how sensitive their was on a scale from 0 to five, with higher numbers being the most sensitive.

For example, uncircumcised men reported an average sensitivity score of 3.72 when they or their partner stroked the head of their manhood compared to 3.31 amongst circumcised men.

'It's a significant difference,' Hoebeke said.

Uncircumcised men also reported more intense orgasms.

One possible explanation for any potential difference in sensitivity is that a man's foreskin may protect his 's head from rubbing against underwear and clothing. It's possible, the researchers write, that friction makes the head of the thicker, drier and ultimately less sensitive.

The researchers also found circumcised men were more likely to report more pain and numbness during arousal than uncircumcised men, which Dr Hoebeke said is likely due to scar tissue.

'I'm amazed that people report pain during sexual pleasure… that was unexpected,' he told Reuters Health.

However, Dr Aaron Tobin from Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore, who was not involved in the study, said: 'The medical evidence and the benefits of male circumcision are abundantly clear.'

The American Academy of Pediatrics says the benefits of male circumcision outweigh the risks, but stops short of recommending universal circumcision.

jkvlondon Im not sure I get what you mean. You against circumcision but you believe the new articles and the scientific studies which point out the negative effects of circumcision are also wrong?? I believe the news articles are a 100% correct and I think most people would to.

[JSinghnz]

Bi tera will soon get a Nobel Prize on this subject. Lol

[S4NGH]

Biggest load of BS ever. You need to get out more instead of studying peoples privates.